Straegen.2938 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Most of us have fought it. No build should be able to effectively spam it all yet it exists. Please nerf the face roll Mirage builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gebrechen.5643 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I support that. It's way to easy to apply confusion stacks into oblivion while having so much tools to evade counter pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylden Ar.3724 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Ok, explain this, why doesn't EVERY guild just roll all Mirages and take over the entire map, every week? I'm waiting. Or, you can admit you are salty you lost to a _dueling class_ when you got cut off from your zerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctisavange.7261 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said: > Ok, explain this, why doesn't EVERY guild just roll all Mirages and take over the entire map, every week? > > I'm waiting. > > Or, you can admit you are salty you lost to a _dueling class_ when you got cut off from your zerg. Cause zerging and roaming are completely 2 different things, hurr durr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steki.1478 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said: > Ok, explain this, why doesn't EVERY guild just roll all Mirages and take over the entire map, every week? > > I'm waiting. > > Or, you can admit you are salty you lost to a _dueling class_ when you got cut off from your zerg. What does map situation have to do with class balance? Dont mix npc fights with player fights. Also not everyone plays in zergs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Nothing to see here, pls move on. Lots of bad players are using this build, while good players get bored quickly and refuse to use it. Nothing to see here, pls move on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpKmJCLSIQk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Most mirages think they are not OP because they still getting curb stomped by a more OP soulbeast. All these overtuned Mirage soulbeast and deadeye with DPS mobility and stealth power creeps all rolled into one should get the nerf bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovu.7560 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > Most mirages think they are not OP because they still getting curb stomped by a more OP soulbeast. Huh. > @"Thread" said: > Invis, **Invuln, Evade, Reflect, Block**, Teleport, Stealth The high uptime on the bolded makes it difficult, for even soulbeast. ~ Kovu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Kovu.7560" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > Most mirages think they are not OP because they still getting curb stomped by a more OP soulbeast. > > Huh. > > > @"Thread" said: > > Invis, **Invuln, Evade, Reflect, Block**, Teleport, Stealth > > The high uptime on the bolded makes it difficult, for even soulbeast. > > ~ Kovu The mirages defending their OPness in the PvP forums think otherwise though. One of their claims to their non-OPness is because boonbeasts counter them. But they don't realize that it doesn't mean they are not OP just because there is a build/class that can defeat them. Mirages are still overtuned. Like Deadeyes and Soulbeasts are overtuned. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66881/how-do-people-decide-that-mirage-is-op-its-not-op-a-defense-of-the-cyber-bullied-class/p1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovu.7560 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > @"Kovu.7560" said: > > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > > Most mirages think they are not OP because they still getting curb stomped by a more OP soulbeast. > > > > Huh. > > > > > @"Thread" said: > > > Invis, **Invuln, Evade, Reflect, Block**, Teleport, Stealth > > > > The high uptime on the bolded makes it difficult, for even soulbeast. > > > > ~ Kovu > > The mirages defending their OPness in the PvP forums think otherwise though. > One of their claims to their non-OPness is because boonbeasts counter them. > But they don't realize that it doesn't mean they are not OP just because there is a build/class that can defeat them. > Mirages are still overtuned. Like Deadeyes and Soulbeasts are overtuned. > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/66881/how-do-people-decide-that-mirage-is-op-its-not-op-a-defense-of-the-cyber-bullied-class/p1 Cool. Good for them. I wish I could invest in enough unblockable attacks on my soulbeast to get around their block & reflect uptime, to say nothing of their evasion & invulnerability frames. Give soulbeast 2 seconds of unblockable on _dodge_ and allow them to rapid fire or maul while dodging, then we'll talk. I sometimes do 1 pvp match for the daily chests. In case a pvp-only reward track I care about comes out down the road. My match yesterday was mirage, mirage, soulbeast, holo, guardian vs. a mirror'd comp. It was visual cancer. Mirages are clearly a far cry from obsolete, as some people are crying in that thread. People complain about passive defenses which is totally fair, though there _is_ such a thing as too many active defenses. Mirages cross that line. By quite a bit. Boonbeast needs to get toned down (namely the boon recycling traits) -- it doesn't hardcounter mirage. It's certainly capable of deleting chronos and core mesmers, but the latter isn't really a fair comparison. I don't keep up with the pvp meta, but I did catch this image dropped in that thread. I can't speak to the context or accuracy, but its something to think about. edit- To be fair this is all a subjective opinion from a ranger main. I actually have more difficulty fighting warriors and holosmiths due to their general tankiness, CC and ability to still put out heavy damage with tankier stats. Mirages are a clean #3 though.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > Mirages are still overtuned. Like Deadeyes and Soulbeasts are overtuned. Like firebrands are overtuned. Like spellbreakers are overtuned. Like holosmiths. Like heralds (anything else exist?). Like scourges. In fact the only one that seems to stand alone is the poor weaver. But then again I've also seen them bring the skills and the build to beat **all** of the above. *What even is balance?* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zawn.9647 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 forgot the clone spam that makes you search for your opponent forgot the confusion spam that makes you dont use your skills so you dont die forgot the torment spam that makes you dont move so you dont die so we need to search for our opponents while standing still and not using skills - SUCH A FUN CLASS DESIGN <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplethoraof.2643 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said: > Ok, explain this, why doesn't EVERY guild just roll all Mirages and take over the entire map, every week? > > I'm waiting. > > Or, you can admit you are salty you lost to a _dueling class_ when you got cut off from your zerg. Why didn't EVERY guild just roll all Scourges, back before Scourge were nerfed and scaled back a bit? Mirage is overtuned and will be scaled back in due time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Zawn.9647" said: > forgot the clone spam that makes you search for your opponent > forgot the confusion spam that makes you dont use your skills so you dont die > forgot the torment spam that makes you dont move so you dont die > > so we need to search for our opponents while standing still and not using skills - SUCH A FUN CLASS DESIGN <3 You can still have some fun with killing some of his clones with retaliation :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle of Stars.3049 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > *What even is balance?* Sounds like we need the Balance Team for the next AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > > Mirages are still overtuned. Like Deadeyes and Soulbeasts are overtuned. > Like firebrands are overtuned. Like spellbreakers are overtuned. Like holosmiths. Like heralds (anything else exist?). Like scourges. > > In fact the only one that seems to stand alone is the poor weaver. > > But then again I've also seen them bring the skills and the build to beat **all** of the above. > > *What even is balance?* To @"Dawdler.8521" 's point, Interestingly enough, with the exception of Teleport, you could copy/pasta the thread title onto a NERF Holosmith thread. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > Like spellbreakers are overtuned I'm pretty sure Anet already _"fixed"_ that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinens.5920 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Nooooo, I just started learning the facer.....I mean condi mirage the other day. I rather liked winning 1v2s 30 minutes after putting one together...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odinens.5920 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said: > Ok, explain this, why doesn't EVERY guild just roll all Mirages and take over the entire map, every week? > > I'm waiting. > > Or, you can admit you are salty you lost to a _dueling class_ when you got cut off from your zerg. You don't need a dueling class to kill zerglings that get cutoff from their squad. I do it on my zerg comp builds all the time. How bout you go give yourself a challenge and go kill the experienced roamers/duelers instead....you know, cuz condi mirage isn't already a faceroll-condi spam-clone spam-almost can't lose-class....killing stragglers is so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
displayname.8315 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 WvW is designed an advertised to be "massive battles". If you choose to forsake your server and go it alone can't really complain about balance in a made-up player created meta-mode. Go play a few matches of PvP, you might get bored quick but you'll get your fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"displayname.8315" said: > WvW is designed an advertised to be "massive battles". If you choose to forsake your server and go it alone can't really complain about balance in a made-up player created meta-mode. > > Go play a few matches of PvP, you might get bored quick but you'll get your fix. Not really. Wiki: _"WvW is designed to accommodate players that would not normally participate in PvP. For instance, the high player limit means that a new player can get involved without immediately feeling pressured to contribute. In addition, **objectives are available for a variety of group sizes**, so players don't need to be members of dedicated guilds in order to be productive."_ There's also a chapter for solo and small scale roaming. EDIT: should have red that chapter before posting, since there's nothing said about balanced fights :o :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Take out invuln, thief has all of that too? Guess it warrants a nerf?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowcat.2680 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > Take out invuln, thief has all of that too? Guess it warrants a nerf?! Thief has invuln too if you consider Dagger Storm to be one (and it comes pretty close since it makes the thief nearly untouchable for 4 secs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > Take out invuln, thief has all of that too? Guess it warrants a nerf?! Guys theif does have invulns. Blinding shot remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durzlla.6295 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 > @"Straegen.2938" said: > Most of us have fought it. No build should be able to effectively spam it all yet it exists. Please nerf the face roll Mirage builds. > Ranger and thief also have all of these things, and the only thing guardians, Warriors, and rev are missing is stealth. So maybe, just maybe, those aren’t what’s making you die to Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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