Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rocket_Boots Jaunt - elite, removes one condi, half the range, same recharge, instant but who cares. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go for the Eyes: On Beast abilities instead of a shatter (profession mechanic), Major Adept (a lower category than Major Master), 12 sec cool down, 5 sec blind https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Go_for_the_Eyes Justice is Blind: On Virtue of Justice (profession mechanic), Minor Adept (a lower category + get it for free just for using the trait line), 20 sec cool down, 3 sec blind, additionally get 4 sec of Light Aura (when struck you gain retaliation and condition damage is reduced by 10%). https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Justice_is_Blind Blinding Dissipation: On Cry of Frustration (profession mechanic), Major Master, 25 sec cool down, 3 sec blind https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blinding_Dissipation Thermal Release Valve: Damage: 199 (0.75) Cannot Critical Hit Burning (6s): 786 Damage 15% heat loss (fueled by permanent vigor/adrenal implant) 786 heal on heat loss per evade(fueled by permanent vigor/adrenal implant) Dune cloak Damage: 133 (0.5)? Bleeding (4s): 264 Damage Increase condi duration on bleeding enemies Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me Games Ma.8426 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I believe they will adress mesmer weapon traits in the future as well. As you saw over the last few months more and more traits are becoming like this. Instead of doing one patch where they bring all weapon traits in line they do it over years which I don't really understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: Also besides free 120/240 power/precision bonus this traits also offer some unique bonus. (Attackers insight need a nerf?) Warrior gets 50/100% to get might on crit. DE gets stealth on evade. DRD get endurance back. Sw gets steal cd shave. Axe adrenaline bonus on critical hits. FF unique ability - suffer - hit 10 times to get this bonus for 10 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 Renamed and edited the op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddie.5861 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a shit if ur out of dodges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"reddie.5861" said: > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > > > > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a kitten if ur out of dodges. I'll give you mirage evade, but it comes with you losing all of the endurance and vigor gains thief currently enjoys. Do you really want that? I would be more than willing to trade the invulns mes has with thief stealth access. That's fair right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I love this lmao. We have two of the most hated classes through out the community, both of which have been heavily nerfed, thief bit by bit for yrs and mesmer hard nerfed recently battling over each others skills and mechanics (alot being similar) when really neither should want either because their all nerf traps in the end. All while the scrappers,soulbeast,fb,scourge and holos laugh at us Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"reddie.5861" said: > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > > > > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a kitten if ur out of dodges. What mirage evade has to do with core dueling trait and similar traits that not only permanent gain better stats but also passive bonus with unique effect ? Thief mains in nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"reddie.5861" said: > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > > > > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a kitten if ur out of dodges. I would kill for that, thief has a lot more evade uptime than mirage. Thieves who can perma evade want to trade to one of the least vigor uptime profession... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > > > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > > > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > > > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > > > > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a kitten if ur out of dodges. > > I would kill for that, thief has a lot more evade uptime than mirage. > > Thieves who can perma evade want to trade to one of the least vigor uptime profession... Perms evade lol with their infinite resources right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddie.5861 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. no we cant perma evade, DD is shit weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with something to help you out in smaller fights vault really isnt gonna help you out unless u stand still in 1 small spot. i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation u have nice bunker builds u have nice hybrid builds see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 > @"reddie.5861" said: > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > u have nice bunker builds Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > u have nice hybrid builds What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. Must be a magic number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > Staff Master: This trait no longer grants a percentage damage increase based on endurance. Instead, it grants 120 power, and grants an additional 120 power when the thief wields a staff. The endurance gain per initiative point remains the same. > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swindler%27s_Equilibrium > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silent_Scope > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery > > > > Every one of those gives passive stats. So why are we stuck with the kitten Fencer's Finesse - hit 10 times to receive stats for 6seconds? > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Companion%27s_Defense - Master Minor > > > > We're stuck with 1,5sec protection on mirage cloak ending. - Master Major. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vigorous_Precision > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewing_Stamina > > > > We're stuck with 3sec vigor on crit. > > > > > > > > Give more examples of how we're ANet's favourite child if you want. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give me mirage evades and invuls on thief and u can have the 120 power or 240 power if u use staff id even give u an extra 200 power just cus its useless when u cant survive a kitten if ur out of dodges. > > > > I would kill for that, thief has a lot more evade uptime than mirage. > > > > Thieves who can perma evade want to trade to one of the least vigor uptime profession... > > Perms evade lol with their infinite resources right? You don't recognise the absurdity of him wanting to trade thief evade for mirage evade (lmao), but you just had to complain when lincolnbeard uses hyperbole to drive home the point that thief and mesmer evade aren't even on comparable levels? You know well what he meant. Your elite alone has 4 seconds of evade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Mesmer is anet's fav child? hahahaha oh wait, you are serious HAHAHAHAHA Mesmer is def not. Look at profession buffs/nerfs as well as severity of them and come back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > Mesmer is anet's fav child? hahahaha > > oh wait, you are serious > > HAHAHAHAHA > > Mesmer is def not. Look at profession buffs/nerfs as well as severity of them and come back then. Read OP again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Quadox.7834" said: > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > Mesmer is anet's fav child? hahahaha > > > > oh wait, you are serious > > > > HAHAHAHAHA > > > > Mesmer is def not. Look at profession buffs/nerfs as well as severity of them and come back then. > > Read OP again... I was referring that to those that may agree that mes is their fav child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > @"Quadox.7834" said: > > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > > Mesmer is anet's fav child? hahahaha > > > > > > oh wait, you are serious > > > > > > HAHAHAHAHA > > > > > > Mesmer is def not. Look at profession buffs/nerfs as well as severity of them and come back then. > > > > Read OP again... > > I was referring that to those that may agree that mes is their fav child. Ok, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > u have nice bunker builds > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > u have nice hybrid builds > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > Must be a magic number. > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) August 28, 2018 The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. March 27, 2018 **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. November 07, 2017 The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: Holo Leap has been added to the game. It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockaj.1846 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > u have nice bunker builds > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > Must be a magic number. > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > August 28, 2018 > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > March 27, 2018 > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > November 07, 2017 > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > > u have nice bunker builds > > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > > Must be a magic number. > > > > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > > > August 28, 2018 > > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > March 27, 2018 > > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > November 07, 2017 > > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. > > I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. I admit I dont know much about the dev;s and such but who would that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > > > u have nice bunker builds > > > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > > > Must be a magic number. > > > > > > > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > > > > > August 28, 2018 > > > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > March 27, 2018 > > > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > November 07, 2017 > > > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > > > > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > > > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > > > > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. > > > > I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. > > I admit I dont know much about the dev;s and such but who would that matter? Robert G? I'll always remember him fondly for making Mirage playable https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/2702/mirage-specialization-updates-for-the-path-of-fire-launch/p1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > > > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > > > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > > > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > > > > u have nice bunker builds > > > > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > > > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > > > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > > > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > > > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > > > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > > > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > > > > Must be a magic number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > > > > > > > August 28, 2018 > > > > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > March 27, 2018 > > > > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > November 07, 2017 > > > > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > > > > > > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > > > > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > > > > > > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. > > > > > > I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. > > > > I admit I dont know much about the dev;s and such but who would that matter? > > Robert G? I'll always remember him fondly for making Mirage playable > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/2702/mirage-specialization-updates-for-the-path-of-fire-launch/p1 Learn something new everyday. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockaj.1846 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > > > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > > > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > > > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > > > > u have nice bunker builds > > > > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > > > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > > > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > > > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > > > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > > > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > > > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > > > > Must be a magic number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > > > > > > > August 28, 2018 > > > > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > March 27, 2018 > > > > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > November 07, 2017 > > > > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > > > > > > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > > > > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > > > > > > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. > > > > > > I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. > > > > I admit I dont know much about the dev;s and such but who would that matter? > > Robert G? I'll always remember him fondly for making Mirage playable > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/2702/mirage-specialization-updates-for-the-path-of-fire-launch/p1 The difference is Robert caves in to every complain (nerf) while Irenio's engi specs never get nerfed into oblivion and in scrapper's case it came back op again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > @"Bigpapasmurf.5623" said: > > > > @"Mockaj.1846" said: > > > > > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > > > > > > @"praqtos.9035" said: > > > > > > > @"reddie.5861" said: > > > > > > > > @"Lincolnbeard.1735" said: > > > > > > > > Yes, thief can perma evade, dd, sw/p, vault. If you can't perhaps you should learn to play your profession before qqing. > > > > > > > > Yeah, you come to mesmer forums but not to do what you say you come here over and over to derail threads into oh poor me and poor thieves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly l2read, what part of fencers finesse is trash when compared to all those both thief and war traits, oh and apart from staff did any trait received an update? You just qq for the sake of qq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get a psychologist to heal that victim complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no we cant perma evade, DD is kitten weapon set nerfed to the ground its fun to troll on but thats it. > > > > > > > sword/pistol i mean really? another troll weapon set? > > > > > > Used by faeleth in monthly AT. Troll weapon set . Get on his level > > > > > > > vault, yes more or less maybe in small scale fight but in a blob ur "non evade frame" will soak up tons of conditions/dmg ull die pretty quick if not in group with > > > > > > > i prefer a invul and evades from mirage and whoever said this is about core mirage, then dont pull daredevil into this and go nag about core thief, which is pretty much only thief build left to play in PvP/WvW > > > > > > Thread not even about cmirage its about core traits and unfairness and bias, in stupid attempt to nerf mirage, obviously to make core mesmer even more garbage than it is and nerf as much builds as possible at once. > > > > > > > btw on serious note why would u mesmers want more power? > > > > > > > u can 100 > 0 most classes in 1 rotation > > > > > > I can slot core/DRD/DEADEYE for oneshot on the same classes mesmer can oneshot as you say but problem is ALL of they are unviable just as the mesmer > > > > > > > u have nice bunker builds > > > > > > Destroyed with scepter nerf. Look at mAT. Scrappers everywhere,not even soulbeasts. The only 1 chrono was brought by frenchies that cant play anything else apparently. > > > > > > > u have nice hybrid builds > > > > > > What hybrid builds? Have you seen scepter nerfs? Have you seen axe nerfs as 67% damage? What nice about it ? > > > > > > > see i dont play mesmer main i just play ones in a blue moon, but i think mesmer doesnt need a "big" change it might need some very little tweaks here and there but for sure doesnt need more power. > > > > > > You dont play mesmer but think its fine ? Every single nerf on core was either unjustified or over kill. > > > > > > @"Irenio CalmonHuang.2048" > > > > > > I really dont understand, its hard to nerf overperforming skill by 10-25% and see if its need more? Waiting for months and then suddenly nuke it from orbit with 50-67% is fine? Why every nerf on mesmer is 50% or more ? > > > > > > Portal duration 50% duration nerf. Scepter damage 50% nerf. In the past Warlock on staff had 50% damage nerf despite not doing any significant damage. Chrono shield 50% damage nerf. Cry of pain 50% of confusions were deleted. Blind shatter trait basically was deleted with reflect on evade. Axe ambush is 67% damage nerf... > > > > > > IA 75% cd increase. Ineptitude nerfed by 60% in duration. > > > > > > Must be a magic number. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holo Leap history (Originally it would crit for 7k on a 2 second cooldown [Yes, 2 second cooldown] in Photon Forge after might stacking with Corona Burst) > > > > > > > > > > August 28, 2018 > > > > > The damage of this skill has been **reduced by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > > > March 27, 2018 > > > > > **Reduced damage by 17% in PvP only**. > > > > > > > > > > November 07, 2017 > > > > > The swiftness or superspeed applied by this skill is now applied at the end of the leap rather than at the start. > > > > > > > > > > September 22, 2017 Path of Fire release: > > > > > Holo Leap has been added to the game. > > > > > > > > > > It's so weird how Arenanet is very moderate with their nerfs when it comes to Engineer. Multiple patches in a row where it's been left completely untouched outside of buffs to scrapper and core. > > > > > > > > I'll take a "wild guess" and say it is because Irenio is the designer of engi specs and Robert is the designer of the mesmer's ones. > > > > > > I admit I dont know much about the dev;s and such but who would that matter? > > > > Robert G? I'll always remember him fondly for making Mirage playable > > > > https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/2702/mirage-specialization-updates-for-the-path-of-fire-launch/p1 > > The difference is Robert caves in to every complain (nerf) while Irenio's engi specs never get nerfed into oblivion and in scrapper's case it came back op again. This basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 i'd say mes is finally not op anymore after many years of this being the case. perma prot from chaos is a little much but not too bad. welcome to what most every other class has experienced. sucks eh, being average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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