Methuselah.4376 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iylNZmN8zys Not my work, gonna link the video for you guys to see. As you can see, this person is using focus instead of WH. Does this make it official that focus is better? Or would a properly executed rotation with WH yield higher dps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"Methuselah.4376" said: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iylNZmN8zys > Not my work, gonna link the video for you guys to see. As you can see, this person is using focus instead of WH. Does this make it official that focus is better? Or would a properly executed rotation with WH yield higher dps? The rotation is not right at all, there's no reason to ever use focus 4 and 5 for damage. I have a feeling he probably has GoE in there. The SC bench is done so just wait for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Will be quite interesting to see what SC comes up with. But yeah, focus definitely shouldnt be used with damage in mind. And what did you mean with GoE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > Will be quite interesting to see what SC comes up with. But yeah, focus definitely shouldnt be used with damage in mind. And what did you mean with GoE? glyph of empowerment, it was removed and is not something you use in benchmarks because is not realistic to upkeep it permanently. People follow a benchmark standard of condis and boons to ensure is done at the same environment. SC video is out by the way at 31.2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"Warscythes.9307" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > Will be quite interesting to see what SC comes up with. But yeah, focus definitely shouldnt be used with damage in mind. And what did you mean with GoE? > > glyph of empowerment, it was removed and is not something you use in benchmarks because is not realistic to upkeep it permanently. People follow a benchmark standard of condis and boons to ensure is done at the same environment. > > SC video is out by the way at 31.2k is there any details on weapons and traits you can share? In particular for the offhand debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > @"Warscythes.9307" said: > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > Will be quite interesting to see what SC comes up with. But yeah, focus definitely shouldnt be used with damage in mind. And what did you mean with GoE? > > > > glyph of empowerment, it was removed and is not something you use in benchmarks because is not realistic to upkeep it permanently. People follow a benchmark standard of condis and boons to ensure is done at the same environment. > > > > SC video is out by the way at 31.2k > > is there any details on weapons and traits you can share? In particular for the offhand debate. just look up SC's video, they show everything. Specifically about the offhand, is pretty much never used for damage now. However warhorn is still likely better just for breakbar and LF gen in shroud. However the difference is minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 And traits? I dont see them shown. Also, it would be interesting to know if theyve modified anything equipment wise to use with the new Soul Eater. Due to no longer having Decimate Defenses. Ah: Found the comments. So the recent rework to Soul Eater has made Reaper a tad busted in terms of sustain and given it a nice damage buff (even more in fractals!). Due to the 33% crit in shroud you can still run full zerk as investing into precision for ~40% of your damage just really isn't worth it. What I did in this benchmark was use as Assassin GS with precise infusions/accuracy sigil, but for very short bursty fights such as KC/Fractals/Dungeons I recommend using a Berserker GS with Power Infusions/Impact Sigils. As for rotational changes, the lowered CD on GS 3 and WH 5 being moved to lifesteal changed things up a tad but. For your opener you now want to do 2 full GS auto chains and skip WH 5. For your loop you now want to enter GS with GS 3 - 2, 3 full auto chains, 1 auto, GS 2-3, then skip WH 5. Sub 50% is going to be the same rotation as before but skipping WH 5. This rotation has some mistakes and I swapped to axe half a second too early once below 50% so that is why I used WH 5, with some more grinding and optimization this could probably be 31.5k. Though this patch has introduced even more bugs regarding skill canceling on Reaper so it is a tad frustrating to grind out. Sounds like he isnt even using wh5 at all. So the benchmark did use modified gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > And traits? I dont see them shown. > Also, it would be interesting to know if theyve modified anything equipment wise to use with the new Soul Eater. Due to no longer having Decimate Defenses. He posted the explanation in description Trait wise is the same from last time but you use soul eater instead of DD, so spite 122, SR 112, Reaper 213 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 > @"Warscythes.9307" said: > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > And traits? I dont see them shown. > > Also, it would be interesting to know if theyve modified anything equipment wise to use with the new Soul Eater. Due to no longer having Decimate Defenses. > > He posted the explanation in description > > Trait wise is the same from last time but you use soul eater instead of DD, so spite 122, SR 112, Reaper 213 I noticed the description just before your reply and added it. But I could see he did use modified gear, an assassin gs. But not seeming to use wh5 at all if i understood it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warscythes.9307 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > @"Warscythes.9307" said: > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said: > > > And traits? I dont see them shown. > > > Also, it would be interesting to know if theyve modified anything equipment wise to use with the new Soul Eater. Due to no longer having Decimate Defenses. > > > > He posted the explanation in description > > > > Trait wise is the same from last time but you use soul eater instead of DD, so spite 122, SR 112, Reaper 213 > > I noticed the description just before your reply and added it. But I could see he did use modified gear, an assassin gs. But not seeming to use wh5 at all if i understood it right. Right, I thought I pointed out assassin gs but I guess that was in another thread. Regardless the full context on that is actually assassin gs is better in longer fights but for fractals or fights with shorter phases, zerker gs is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 So sad. If you really want to reach an adequate DPS number you have to animation cancel so much, very unfun to play. And if you don't, you will only reach 29k DPS... Anet pls.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Nimon.7840" said: > So sad. If you really want to reach an adequate DPS number you have to animation cancel so much, very unfun to play. And if you don't, you will only reach 29k DPS... > > Anet pls.... I don't see all the animation cancelling you're on about. Explain. Also using just GS and better opening burst rotation I can get 30~30.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 You can basically animation cancel every single gravedigger As well as some of the 3rd autochain hit in shroud. That's the main part. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Nimon.7840" said: > You can basically animation cancel every single gravedigger > As well as some of the 3rd autochain hit in shroud. > > That's the main part. :) Did none of that still got above 30k using only GS. So I'm still confused at how you're stuck at 29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > You can basically animation cancel every single gravedigger > > As well as some of the 3rd autochain hit in shroud. > > > > That's the main part. :) > > Did none of that still got above 30k using only GS. So I'm still confused at how you're stuck at 29. Gonna give it a serious try today^^ till now I was messing around with slightly different builds or slightly different rotations. Edit: didn't take empower allies as a bud since I didn't know, if warriors still play that after the patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 But guys, lets take a moment to appreciate the fact that a year ago power reaper didn't even have a build listed on SC, and now it's the highest dpsing necro spec. It may not be doing 35k, but coupled with its inherent tankiness it now uses a sustain trait as part of its dps build. Quite neat I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. Fear doesn't really matter. Cause no good player would ever take dread for a benchmark. And you will know when dread is taken, cause that results in 35-37k DPS. If at all you might want to remove chill from the golem. But these benchmarks are done with standard buffs you normally have. For reaper, only might, fury, quickness and alacrity do matter, as necro doesn't have a trait that lets us do x% more dmg for every boon. Same goes for conditions. Well I guess we have curses for crits, but that's not a viable power build option. If you'd really wanted realistic buffs for every boss, you'd have to do a benchmark for every single boss. But that gets hard to compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > > Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. > > Fear doesn't really matter. Cause no good player would ever take dread for a benchmark. And you will know when dread is taken, cause that results in 35-37k DPS. Vid in OP is using dread and GoE but the rotation is bad hence the low ball at 32k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > > > Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. > > > > Fear doesn't really matter. Cause no good player would ever take dread for a benchmark. And you will know when dread is taken, cause that results in 35-37k DPS. > > Vid in OP is using dread and GoE but the rotation is bad hence the low ball at 32k. > I didn't see GoE, though it could have been covered. Also you're assuming they are using Dread as didn't show what traits they're using. Dread gives 33% more damage so it would be more than 32k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Methuselah.4376" said: > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > > > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > > > > Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. > > > > > > Fear doesn't really matter. Cause no good player would ever take dread for a benchmark. And you will know when dread is taken, cause that results in 35-37k DPS. > > > > Vid in OP is using dread and GoE but the rotation is bad hence the low ball at 32k. > > > > I didn't see GoE, though it could have been covered. Also you're assuming they are using Dread as didn't show what traits they're using. Dread gives 33% more damage so it would be more than 32k. Of course they are using dread. Easy to tell because: 1. They show the GD tooltip does which is around 4900. Reverse engineering the damage formula you can see they have around 3860 power. Pretty much the amount of power you would have in full zerker without AtP. 2. Their opening Soul Spiral does over 100k with no CtD 20% modifier modifier. There is no rune in the game that would allow you to hit that with the power mentioned above. I mean you can compare the videos and see that between the SC bench and this one everything used is roughly 33% higher. The reason the benchmark is so low is because the rotation they are using in the video is **terrible**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psaro.6178 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 31.8k is no joke even if the rotation was inefficient. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Psaro.6178" said: > 31.8k is no joke even if the rotation was inefficient. +1 Not with dread it is. The 31.2k could possibly get higher if it was ground though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah.4376 Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > @"Methuselah.4376" said: > > > @"Sigmoid.7082" said: > > > > @"Nimon.7840" said: > > > > > @"Dadnir.5038" said: > > > > > Unrealistic buff and debuff... That's all there is to say. If perma fear was a possibility nobody would ever complain about necromancer's dps. > > > > > > > > Fear doesn't really matter. Cause no good player would ever take dread for a benchmark. And you will know when dread is taken, cause that results in 35-37k DPS. > > > > > > Vid in OP is using dread and GoE but the rotation is bad hence the low ball at 32k. > > > > > > > I didn't see GoE, though it could have been covered. Also you're assuming they are using Dread as didn't show what traits they're using. Dread gives 33% more damage so it would be more than 32k. > > Of course they are using dread. > > Easy to tell because: > 1. They show the GD tooltip does which is around 4900. Reverse engineering the damage formula you can see they have around 3860 power. Pretty much the amount of power you would have in full zerker without AtP. > 2. Their opening Soul Spiral does over 100k with no CtD 20% modifier modifier. There is no rune in the game that would allow you to hit that with the power mentioned above. > > I mean you can compare the videos and see that between the SC bench and this one everything used is roughly 33% higher. > > The reason the benchmark is so low is because the rotation they are using in the video is **terrible**. Ah fair enough, was just being devil's advocate. I did think the rotation was off (especially with Death's Charge thrown in) and was surprised they got such high numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 The numbers are what I expected: - take the 29,9K build, - add the 10% dps of the new Soul Eater trait, - substract the nerfed Wh5 crits and the lower crit chance (because Soul Eater replaces Decimate Defenses) - = 31,2K Considering that this build has an amazing cleave and sustain (31,2K x 5% = 1,56K selfheal/s), the numbers are solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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