Caedmon.6798 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. > > Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. Actually yes. The Tactics core warrior has more support than both core guard and DH does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > > > > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. > > > > Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. > > Actually yes. The Tactics core warrior has more support than both core guard and DH does. Even with the new tactics line guard does a better job,as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > Actually Save Yourselves gives vigor. DH Bow has Vigor (Symbol of Energy) Honor trait line has vigor (Vigorous Precision — Gain vigor when you critically strike.) I havent looked at the other claims but wanted to pick on this as your argument is incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > > > > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > > > > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > > > > > > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. > > > > > > Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. > > > > Actually yes. The Tactics core warrior has more support than both core guard and DH does. > > Even with the new tactics line guard does a better job,as it should be. Id say tactics line is better support than the honor line. The honor tree is heavily outdated. GM shout trait still removes one condi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Aza.2105" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > > > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > > > > > > > > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. > > > > > > > > Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. > > > > > > Actually yes. The Tactics core warrior has more support than both core guard and DH does. > > > > Even with the new tactics line guard does a better job,as it should be. > > Id say tactics line is better support than the honor line. The honor tree is heavily outdated. GM shout trait still removes one condi. After the tactics change i havent seen our blobs adjusting to it,maybe it can be better im not sure. People tend to run the same old same old without trying new things. But overall i think guard still offers more sustain wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aza.2105 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > But overall i think guard still offers more sustain wise. For allies or for self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > @"Aza.2105" said: > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Because their survival comes from having acces to aegis/blocks and more "insta" heals compared to other specs,theres a reason theyre the most wanted spec in wvw aswell in blobs/raids. Warri's, the in your face "bruiser" spec has a high hp pool because while having acces to a "constant" heal ( Adren Hp ) which is locked behind a burst before theyre able to get those stacks up,while having acces to invulns,theyre on a long cd with a short uptime. As on thief,why do they have a 11k hp pool ? Because their survival comes from mechanics like stealth and having more acces to dodges on certain builds compared to other builds. Why is nec hp pool so large while having acces to life force hp ? Because they don't have acces to blocks,invulns. Having a high hp pool or an equalized hp pool across all specs doesn't make sense because all specs serve a different role and certain specs like guards would get extremely unbalanced if their hp pool would get increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Guardian has less blocks than ... Warrior. Revenant. Ranger. Holo and Mesmer. > > > > > > > > > > It also has less "Protective boon uptime" than Revenant. Engineer. Ranger. Mesmer. Necromancer. > > > > > > > > > > It also has less sustained damage than just about every other spec out there. > > > > > > > > > > It also has sub-par burst damage (outside of a 4 seconds wind-up focus 5). > > > > > > > > > > It also has the worst mobility in the entire game. We have been forced to run Lynx / Traveler runes since HoT launch, when we finally dropped our staff. > > > > > > > > > > It's also one out of two classes without any form of evade frames tied to weapon and / or Utility skills. > > > > > > > > > > It also has zero access to Vigor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By all means, I know Firebrand is kitten right now. I've been advocating for nerfs against it since release. But DO NOT say that Core Guardian and DH have more blocks and heals than other specs out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does a warri have more blocks than a guard ? Just no,they have prot when counter gets hit or a shieldblock but that's it. I also meant guard in general,it being fb moreso than core yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Core Guardian has 2 aegis on a 45 second cooldown. It has 3 "Aegis" on focus 5. On ~35 second cd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warrior blocks EVERYTHING for 3 seconds per 20 seconds. > > > > > > > > So unless you're getting hit by less than 1 attack per second while channeling your block ( you wont ) Warrior has by definition more blocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haha righto ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warri's are the masters of blocking and sharing blocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharing blocks? Yeah dude, Guardian can share 1 aegis every 45 seconds. Talk about massive support capabilities. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah exactly ! Warri's are the ones doing the supporting. > > > > > > > > Actually yes. The Tactics core warrior has more support than both core guard and DH does. > > > > > > Even with the new tactics line guard does a better job,as it should be. > > > > Id say tactics line is better support than the honor line. The honor tree is heavily outdated. GM shout trait still removes one condi. > > After the tactics change i havent seen our blobs adjusting to it,maybe it can be better im not sure. People to tend to run the same old same old without trying new things. But overall i think guard still offers more sustain wise. This is the PvP forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelska.4609 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > @"aelska.4609" said: > > Besides, guardian's low health pool wouldn't be so problematic if all the other classes didn't have so many boons (facing a class with 25 stacks of might and perma prot as a guardian really feels like fighting some kind of dark souls boss) and so many CC. Before buffing stuffs, I would recommend to nerf problematic stuffs, as it is for me a better way to bring healthy gameplay. > The health pool is not problematic! Every single guardian spec has the capability to outsustain and outdamage necros and warriors. > > Guardian would need heavy nerfs if you would raise the base health just to revenant levels. Did you notice that firebrands and weavers are the best bunkers in the game due to incredible damage mitigation and healing? So you think it's a good idea to increase their base HP that they can afford to change some vitality to power to become the best bunker in the game that also deals bruiser style damage? > > I really suggest that you find some decent guardian player who will teach you how well the class performs in any game mode. Guardian is a strong and flexible class! Other classes can only dream of the amount of viable options you have game wide. > > And please stop debating as if marauder gear would not exist. Only 12% less damage, but 50% more health for you - End of Story! Firebrand is not a good bunker by itself, firebrand is played because of their incredible support potential in teamfights. Many other specializations and classes offer better tanking abilities, even staff thief is a better tank. Put a firebrand alone and he will get uncapped quite fast, and might even get killed in 1v1. Besides, firebrand stands as an outlier as do all the other PoF classes. Core and DH guards do not have as many damage mitigations as you seem to think, I invite you to look more closely to the class to realize that. Marauder also exists for the other classes, the difference is that a "berzerker guard" (or any other amulet without vitality) is just not viable at all. Thank you for your suggestion about finding a decent guardian player, I will definitely look into one as i'm new into the game and never reached high-tier pvp with that class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe.1807 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Guard with lowest HP pool made sense back in the day, if you wanted to play a more agressive style, the blinds from Sword, Focus, Greatsword and active F1 virtue, plus the blocks were more then enough to handle most of the situations...Anet had to powercreep the living shit out from Radiance trait line by giving free crit chance+might+ferocity, so you could use Valk and have high HP without having to worry with precision cause that was the only way to make DPS guard viable again...so yeah, as someone said it here, elite specs probably could use diferent armor tipes or HP tiers to make it easier to balance. Honestly, trait lines should also be tied to core specs, like for Guard, if you take Virtue you wouldnt be able to pick DH or FB, if you warrior, you discipline and Berzerker and SB is not avaible, Ranger is beastmastery or something, etc...that I think would make the specs more competitive between each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Rein.6951 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"SeikeNz.3526" said: > > @"Ultramex.1506" said: > > From my experience with this game, tanking doesn't mean wear bulky armor made from dragon's bones, that's why Mesmer of all classes is (used to be?) No. 1 Tank in Raid. Guardian have lot of skills to heal themself or reduce damage. this come to mind: > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Altruistic_Healing > > of course you can build whatever you want, but classes have some role from the start and guardians have the role of a tank, but warriros have way more hp and defensive skills Think of this way: Warriors = Barbarians. Have tons of HP to do whatever you want. Guardians = Clerics. Frontline Spellcasters that excel on protective spells and can act as combat medics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Aza.2105" said: > > @"Caedmon.6798" said: > > But overall i think guard still offers more sustain wise. > > For allies or for self? > > For allies in teamfights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 The only answer to this is because Anet says so ... don't try to rationalize it and definitely don't try to irrationalize it to get it changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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