Tyson.5160

Kinda wondering if one of the last story missions will have Jormag and Primordus doing some kinda DBZ beam struggle in the background, while we deal with both icebrood and destroyers. Possibly with Braham seeing an opportunity to strike Jormag with his bow, allowing Primordus to gain the upper hand and finish the Ice Dragon for good...

> @"Dutchdevil.6902" said: > Hello, > I have to say the newest living story is really bad > - Boring grind missions with bosses with to much hp.. just spamming skills > - repeating achievements so have to do grind over and over. I thought yes, challenges done, but we have to do this multiple times.. pfff > - - people get on edge of map and kicked out and cant join > - - cant make a normal lfg to let them join in private match. you get in squad mode.... whats up with the lfg?? > > And i heard we get 9 more of these missions? I prefer rather not.. As someone who wants to get achievements and also wants to follow the story this will be a real pain... > I am really afraid of the next patch. I believe the 9 missions are apart of this patch and are released every 6 days, if what I’ve been reading is true...

Could this just be Ryland using the Persuasion sphere of magic against the Asura. Being a Champion, Ryland would also have access to that form of magic.

> @"Slowpokeking.8720" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"Slowpokeking.8720" said: > > > Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe. > > > > > > Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS. > > > > > > So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup. > > > > > > But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all. > > > > > > Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists. > > > > > I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist. > > > > Zhaitan ( War against a dragon) > > > > Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon) > > > > Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon) > > > > Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon) > > > > They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting. > > You can do such thing with all the previous plot as well, with a far richer setup. Maybe, but then it would take us another 10 years to deal with the Elder Dragons.

> @"hugo.4705" said: > I can say the same with primordius and asura. They gonna kill it in 4 episodes and sweeping Utopia and depths of Tyria under a carpet. Gonna put some dwarves and woohoo, done. One of the biggest disapointment if so. No big threat deserves to be killed that fast. I smell it, and it stink. I guess that’s if Primordus dies. Jormag could be the one that bites the dust.

> @"Bast.7253" said: > I had a random thought about the bow. In the Vision of the Past we saw all of the stone dwarves being corrupted by Primordus. > > What if the jotun scroll was actually infused with Primordus' power, thus why it was able to harm Jormag, and it's started to slowly corrupt Braham? > > It is weird that they made a note of it but the only other thing I can think of is his stronger bond to the spirits. Perhaps this is leading into the spirits having a much stronger tie-in to the origin of the elder dragons and his connection is allowing him to sense them? > > I had a half-baked low effort theory about Primordus being the Spirit of Fire that went rampaging, but given that Jormag is the twin I'm not really sure what that could mean for what Jormag's part would be in this in relation to the original spirits and Koda. > > Frankly though, I'd say we're pretty much done with the spirits at this point so I'm leaning more towards the bow theory than his connection to the spirits. > > But yes, you could be right. The next episode is called "Power" or something isn't it? Perhaps that power is Braham, vehemently arguing against siding with Jormag, deciding to attempt negotiations with Primordus and leading down the path of becoming its champion. I just find it a little less likely because Primordus hasn't really had any build up in terms of character development or personality... He just seems like a flaming rage monster. Perhaps Primordus absorbing the mind sphere, could allow the fire dragon to communicate, when it previously has not.

> @"Svennis.3852" said: > The idea of a boat voyage is fun. Skimmering all the way from central Tyria or Elona just seems... beyond bad haha. Travel by ocean/sea seems like a bad idea with a deep sea dragon on the loose, but I suppose Zhaitan was always the one really interrupting travel by ship. At this point, we don’t know where the DSD is. We could potentially witness its minions on a boat ride.

> @"Slowpokeking.8720" said: > Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe. > > Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS. > > So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup. > > But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all. > > Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists. > I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist. Zhaitan ( War against a dragon) Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon) Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon) Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon) They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

It’s also possible that Jormag gets mortally wounded at the end of Champions, uses its Mist power to transport it and the Dragon’s Watch to Cantha, where we look for a replacement for Jormag as it lays dying somewhere.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: > > @"Teratus.2859" said: > > We had a whole season building up Kralkatorrik to his death, a campaign to build up and kill Zhaitan and a whole living world and expansion to build up and kill Mordremoth and mostly the same for Balthazar too. > I would 100% disagree about Kralkatorrik. Season 4 Episode 3 had completely nothing related to Kralkatorrik, and the relation in Episode 2 was minimal - just Inquest experiments. So that would be, at absolute most in argument, basically 4 episodes focused on Kralkatorrik. Personally, I wouldn't include Episode 2 because of how bare bones the branded threat was in that - I'd be more inclined to say 3.5 episodes and 1/4th of an expansion. > > Compared to pretty much two full episodes in Season 3, and four episodes in Seaosn 5. Kralkatorrik and Primordus are pretty on par. > > And both Kralkatorrik and Primordus are the most animalistic. So less screentime works, especially since unlike Zhaitan, their minions don't speak. There's not much interaction to be had with Primordus and his destroyers - just voiceless killers to fight back and fight through. Not much of an interesting plot, in all honesty. > > The interesting part of the plot will come in the allies and getting them to join, not in confronting the destroyers. Much like in Eye of the North. Because there simply will be nothing but "fight back the destroyers, don't let them kill everyone!" over and over and over again. > > There will be no destroyer menacingly saying _"So this is the Pact Commander. I am not impressed."_ There will only be destroyers saying _"(terrifying otherworldly howl)"_ > > There just simply _cannot be_ good build-up for Primordus other than a repeat of what we got in Season 3 and Eye of the North. Unless, [_"somehow, destroyers can talk."_]( ) The only Kralkatorrik related things in episode 3 was the branded griffon bounty and a small bit of dialogue from the Hylek. “Shaman Acopa: There was a strange storm on the horizon not long ago. I wondered if Zintl was trying to tell us something...” This was obviously when Kralkatorrik branded Jahai.

> @"Ogwom.7940" said: > Would like to travel there by airship, sea vessel, dredge tunnels from Shiverpeaks, or other possible ways? > It always intrigues me if we traveled through the dredge tunnels, but I believe it would be easier for ANet to just make us travel by air like the Zephyrites did. > Also sailing the seas might not be possible because of the Deep Sea Dragon and their minions. Boat would be nice for a change of pace. Seems like Airship has been used a lot. Perhaps we wouldn’t consider the DSD as a threat until maybe something happens by boat.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: > > @"Stephen.6312" said: > > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: > > > ANet **(specifically, Ree Soesbee - one of the two narrative directors of ANet, making her of the highest lore figure at ANet, at the time)** had long ago established that Elder Dragons without gender in 2010. In other words, it's been long established that, biologically speaking, **ALL** Elder Dragons - even Kralkatorrik, Glint, Vlast, and Aurene - are technically an "it". > > > > As I have stated before, Konig, I believe that you have an over-reliance on out-of-game sources to help you comprehend in-game "facts". > See: [Word of God](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod). > > And for the matter, you have an over-reliance on ignoring *established facts* and denying the very writers' statements to avoid debunking your reaching fanon. > > > This is a good thing. However, it doesn't mean that the wiki's use of the term "it", when referring to Elder Dragons, is *still* accurate. > If it isn't, it's because the Elder Dragon associates with a pronoun, not because they have identifiable genitals. > > > However, Aurene has penetrated aspects of the Elder Dragons' inner circle, revealing that, indeed, the Elder Dragons *might* have reproductive organs. > There is no such revelation from Aurene becoming an Elder Dragon, and we've known since 2005 that a dragon can have children, so the fact that there are family ties does not change this. > > > > This is likely why we hear nothing about Glint's mother, or Vlast/Aurene's father. Elder Dragons - and high dragons - **by all indication so far reproduced** in a non-standard asexual method - **without need of partners**. > > We don't know that. We do not have enough information to make such definitive statements. Until we learn more about the reproductive methods of Elder Dragons we simply cannot rule out the possibility that they are sexually dimorphic. > The very lack of evidence, despite going over the topic of dragon family over the past two years, is pretty strong evidence of lacking in this case. > > > Thank you for pointing this out. Did it ever occur to you, Konig, that the nature of Elder Dragon reproduction, including the biological gender of each Elder, might've been something that the dragons didn't want mortals to know about? Perhaps for fear that mortals would use the knowledge of these things against the Elders? > Why would the Elder Dragons, who view mortals as nothing greater than ants worth ignoring, or food, care what the mortals do or do not know about how they have children? > You give the Elder Dragons too much credit, because it's been firmly established that the Elder Dragons are *uncaring* for mortals, mortal views, and mortal desires. Besides which, if "Elder Dragons can have children" is a fatal flaw to all Elder Dragons, then Glint, the Forgotten, and/or the Exalted would have spread that knowledge by now. > > > @"Plagiarised.2865" said: > > > @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said: Though I only see the later happening if they forego the whole need to have multiple replacements for the Elder Dragons (which is what will upset me). > > > > I see you bring this up a lot, Konig, but I still feel like they can make Aurene the sole Elder Dragon. If she circulates and shares magic rather than hoard it? > Not without denouncing the entire purpose of Season 3, Path of Fire, and Season 4. Where it is **repeatedly** stated that the issue isn't the balance of magic. It's the balance of The All. That four Elder Dragons are needed _despite_ the remaining three Elder Dragons consuming even more magic - and that the act of an Elder Dragon consuming too much magic, in fact, unbalances The All. > > If the matter was simply "too much magic", then Balthazar killing Primordus of Kralkatorrik and absorbing either of their magic would be no issue. > If the matter was simply "too much magic", then killing Kralkatorrik in the Mists, even with Aurene there to absorb his magic, to reduce some magic from the system, would be no issue. > > But both were world ending scenarios if they occurred. > > > Taimi: (big breath) Look, we've discovered that eliminating dragons isn't the best thing for the environment... > > Taimi: But what else were we going to do? Keep them alive and just let 'em eat us? > > Taimi: So we destroy them and deal with the fallout, but... But what if we can't deal with the consequences anymore? > > > Sadizi: But when two Elder Dragons were unexpectedly eliminated from the cycle at one time, we believe it created a void. > > Sadizi: A void that caused the system to break down and the collapse to begin. > > > Pact Commander: Kralkatorrik's even stronger and more dangerous than ever. > > Taimi: Oh boy. That could seriously accelerate the Elder Dragon imbalance. I should run some worst-case hypotheticals right away. > > > Aurene: Now we must ride...scion and champion. Flush Kralkatorrik...from the Mists. > > Taimi: Right! If he dies in the Mists, that's it. His magic is gone. And so is Tyria. > > Ergo, while "too much magic" is an issue, it isn't _the_ issue. _The_ issue is the "Elder Dragon [im]balance." > > > @"Psientist.6437" said: > > I would prefer Aurene being the One over resolving everything with dragon sex. > Wouldn't really need that since all evidence suggests they reproduce asexually. > > Plus, we have two fairly likely replacements (Pale Tree and Kuunavang). And if Jormag goes redemption arc, that would give us the mandatory minimum four living Elder Dragons. Just to add Konig, I’m pretty sure the next sentence with Sadizi stated the following: “Sadizi: The hope was that Glint's legacy would stabilize the cycle. Sadizi: We theorize these vacancies must be filled with **entities** that circulate and share magic rather than hoard it. Sadizi: Only then will the balance of magic truly become stable. Only then will Glint's legacy achieve its ultimate purpose.“

> @"Bast.7253" said: > More on the topic of Aurene, the only way I can see her being the sole carrier of that magic is if she's able to rapidly produce scions and can gift those domains and that magic to those scions. Perhaps that's her plan in the long run. And again, that could be either be torment causing her to want to have complete control over those domains and that magic or just be instinctive and presumably protective, believing that HER children are the only ones capable of doing what needs to be done. > > And to be honest, she does look like she's roosting in a nest in Eye of the North. Probably reading more into it than I should, but it could be another reason why she's less interested in getting directly involved in the war between Jormag and Primordus. I know it's early and she just ascended, and we don't really know anything about dragon reproduction, but it wouldn't surprise me to have a reveal that she's popped out a few eggs. I had this idea too and I’m wondering if this what happened eons ago with perhaps one Proto Elder Dragon, who gave birth to the other Elder Dragons we know now with separate domains.