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> @"Carcharoth Lucian.1378" said:
> @"Roquen.5406" @"Taygus.4571" @"MetalGirl.2370" @"Jthug.9506" @"Dalec.9853"
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> Don't feed the troll ! (->Obtena)
> Don't bother to answer him/her, it's not worth it.
I know :(
I even said it's pointless to argue logic with him but he makes me lose my marbles
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> You seem to think arguing semantics about words leads to the conclusion Anet is wrong here. That isn't the case. I'm not getting into an academic argument about what words you think are appropriate. That doesn't change the fact that as a business, Anet is free to decide what we pay for and as customers, we are free to decide if we purchase those things.
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> There is NO ARGUMENT that will change that fact. The idea that people exchange money for goods and services are well establish business processes globally for thousands of years. If anything you present suggests it's not reasonable for this relationship to also exist between Anet and it's customers .. you are WRONG.
When will you snap out of your endless loop "Anet is bussiness, must pay for services", you're continuously being told that you don't get it, but you still keep going...
Unfortunately my last reply about you being a traumatized cashier got removed, but that's fine.
> @"Roquen.5406"
> Why did you side-step my responses to you and change the subject?
That's what he always does if you look at any of his previous posts
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > Not the first time you've compared it to paying for groceries, but it's flawed.
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> No it's not, because I never made any of the specific and absolutely ridiculous comparisons you have. My comparison is at a MUCH higher level... Anet is a business that charges customers to access their goods and services ... just like ANY OTHER business does. So no, the question here is not why are they charging for this feature ... because being charged for goods and services is a REASONABLE expectation any customer should have when they walk through the door of any business.
You read nothing, just like I said, you just focus on tiniest thing in any post and say "No cuz Anet" ... you literally even started the sentence like that....
LOL and now you edited the post to not make it seem that way !! xD
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> @"Jthug.9506" said:
> > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > @"Jthug.9506" said:
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> >I'm right and you aren't, so you are angry because you think you should get whatever you say you should be getting for whatever you are willing to pay for it.
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> This is the first day I have bothered with this forum in a long time, and I certainly regret interacting with the likes of you Obtena, more than I am sad about any drawbacks of the upcoming system.
I feel Anet should hire him to cleanse the forum of all us reasonable/sensible people by annoying us so we never go back to forums ever again and Anet gets their imaginary paradise here where people just nod and say yes to any nonsense that's thrown their way.
Anet listens and reads what we say as much as he does - not at all.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Jthug.9506" said:
> > > > > > > Honestly, I don't get that logic ... nothing prevents you from continuing to do that. The intended purpose for you to share your legendary armor in shared slots with your characters is still a relevant approach. I don't even know why anyone would want to use the gear templates if you already have that setup in the first place.
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> > > > > > Did you ever use Arc templates? Perhaps you don't understand that once the appropriate gear was moved between characters the Arc system would handle equipping, stat selection, rune sigil and infusion swapping in a single click? You seem to be suggesting I should just manually equip, select stats, infusions, sigils and runes every time I want to swap builds and be happy. Honestly, I don't get that logic.
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> > > > > It's irrelevant want Arc did. It wasn't a game supported feature.
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> > > > > Frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with that ... you went out and got a FULL SET of legendary armor knowing that is what it's function and added value over ascended gear was. I mean, in no way was what you are doing before optimal, but now it's a problem?
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> > > > :some off topic thing:
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> > > I don't get why you are replying to me if you are incapable of being on topic.
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> > You can't tell me I'm not on topic here ...
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> Sure I can ... because you aren't. I've listened to what people have to say. I don't agree with what they are saying. Basically, you don't like that I disagree, so instead of continually adding to the heap, you went off topic. That's too bad. I'm right and you aren't, so you are angry because you think you should get whatever you say you should be getting for whatever you are willing to pay for it. That's not how it works, not here, not anywhere. But you already know this .. yet somehow you think you could behave this way because it's not Walmart or the grocery store ... it's just some faceless game developer.
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> maybe you should apply some RL experience you have with businesses you patronize to this situation to see how ridiculuous you guys sound.
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If you read anything (which you didn't) I posted originally you'd see that I did put in there why I agree with him and think you're being ridiculous. Saying that manually swapping builds is time consuming and remembering 10 different builds for mesmer is hard...but you somehow think him (and me) should be happy with it... and should be silent if we gotta pay that ridiculous price you came up with of 1200 gems per slot. And they're not even acc-wide. So we should be happy paying 1200gems per slot per char. Get a hold of yourself.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Jthug.9506" said:
> > > > > Honestly, I don't get that logic ... nothing prevents you from continuing to do that. The intended purpose for you to share your legendary armor in shared slots with your characters is still a relevant approach. I don't even know why anyone would want to use the gear templates if you already have that setup in the first place.
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> > > > Did you ever use Arc templates? Perhaps you don't understand that once the appropriate gear was moved between characters the Arc system would handle equipping, stat selection, rune sigil and infusion swapping in a single click? You seem to be suggesting I should just manually equip, select stats, infusions, sigils and runes every time I want to swap builds and be happy. Honestly, I don't get that logic.
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> > > It's irrelevant want Arc did. It wasn't a game supported feature.
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> > > Frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with that ... you went out and got a FULL SET of legendary armor knowing that is what it's function and added value over ascended gear was. I mean, in no way was what you are doing before optimal, but now it's a problem?
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> > :some off topic thing:
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> I don't get why you are replying to me if you are incapable of being on topic.
You can't tell me I'm not on topic here when you're the one never listening to people and all you do is find replies that would hurt little Anet's feelings and you go head first defending them. Many here are saying you don't understand, you've been called obtuse before and now again.
Problem is not with us here, it's you.
Plus you don't have answer to anything I said which is why you just kind of brushed it off ... but it's not like you ever listen to anyone anyway. Even @"Jthug.9506" said you never gave him any reason why he's wrong, you NEVER give anybody reason why they're wrong which is why I said to you million times that all you do is pick least important bit out of the post, twist it and then say "no, cuz Anet"
You even contradict your posts ... when @"Dalec.9853" said Anet changes their models if they don't work - to which you said no, you can't think of when they do, just to couple posts after say "if something doesn't work, Anet changes it, we've seen it happen before" ... You know no reason or logic. How much does Anet pay you to defend them like this?
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Jthug.9506" said:
> > > Honestly, I don't get that logic ... nothing prevents you from continuing to do that. The intended purpose for you to share your legendary armor in shared slots with your characters is still a relevant approach. I don't even know why anyone would want to use the gear templates if you already have that setup in the first place.
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> > Did you ever use Arc templates? Perhaps you don't understand that once the appropriate gear was moved between characters the Arc system would handle equipping, stat selection, rune sigil and infusion swapping in a single click? You seem to be suggesting I should just manually equip, select stats, infusions, sigils and runes every time I want to swap builds and be happy. Honestly, I don't get that logic.
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> It's irrelevant want Arc did. It wasn't a game supported feature.
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> Frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with that ... you went out and got a FULL SET of legendary armor knowing that is what it's function and added value over ascended gear was. I mean, in no way was what you are doing before optimal, but now it's a problem?
Yet another person claiming you "don't understand" something.
You're literally a troll at this point I feel like (because how in the world can someone suggests that 1 template costs 1200gems.... that's literally beyond me), it's a joke between my bf and me now that each time we talk bad about Anet and GW2 we would say "and then Obtena comes - No, cuz Anet bla bla bla bla". We also joke that you're an undercover dev trying to justify/defend Anets choices and prices
I also saw you immediately go defensive earlier stating how you "don't defend Anet" when the guy you answered to didn't even say anything about it.... you must be scarred from when I said you're defending them with your life few days ago so you immediately go defensive and claim that you're not, plus, if you weren't you wouldn't bring it up out of nowhere.
You definitely don't play the game in a way that would require you to swap builds all the time then, otherwise you'd understand why someone wouldn't be happy to have to manually swap it each time, it's incredibly time consuming... plus there are people like me who cannot remember million builds for mesmer so I have to have them all saved somewhere in order to know what I need to choose. In fact I wondered if you even play and you're offline every time I checked, so I doubt you're even playing much at all.
As for anyone else, don't try to argue sense with Obtena....
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only $21 ? ...
try £500+
You should've just bought the skin on TP
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It's probably going to be 600 gems
But "reasonable price" would be that it's FREE and unlimited... like in GW1
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The whole game needs some love, not just male norn... but they don't care.
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I'd say that single and most frustrating thing in GW2 is GW2 itself.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > That they shouldn't charge for it but make more cosmetics and charge for those instead and content. They'd earn far more that way even.
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> You don't know that ... it's just your speculation. Why should they all the sudden not charge for features? That's a fallacy to think that because they offer something for free, people will spend more on cosmetic items. That doesn't even make sense.
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Because you can only buy so many templates and once you do, you don't give them any more money, while cosmetics keep coming and you keep buying... so no it's not just speculation, it's logic
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > Hey ... that's a nice suggestion ... when you make a MMO, you feel free to use that business model. It's simply not very realistic to suggest Anet change how they do business because you don't want to pay for features.
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> > > > > > > > One simple question to you then, no twisting words or adding them, simple yes or no... Do you think ArenaNet have ever changed their business model with GW2?
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> > > > > > > I don't see where they have. I can see that they might be with how they are dealing with expansions. I know where you want to go with this; you aren't the first one to try this approach ... I'm ready. Let's continue.
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> > > > > > Well if he is not the first one to question you that, maybe it's a sign that you're in the wrong. And so far by your comment history, barely anyone agrees with you.
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> > > > > Someone asking me a question is a sign I'm wrong? OK ... I'm going to let you think about why that doesn't make sense. I mean, if I'm wrong ... where? my premise is PRETTY simple ... Anet offers things in exchange for money from customers ... for some reason, you guys think this is some exception to that. You haven't explained why ... probably because we already have multiple instances of the exact same kind of feature being offered in exactly the same way since day 1. But don't let that stop you ...
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> > > > > Please, now you tell me why I'm wrong ... or is that all?
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> > > > My point is, I saw many people say you're wrong and that you don't understand...
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> > > That's par for the course. That's why we are having this discussion. No, I understand just fine.
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> > > There isn't anything 'wrong' with how Anet offers these quantity-based features. That's for Anet to decide. Again, it's a business. They offer, people can buy or not. If there is a lack of 'correctness', people will let them know by not purchasing. It makes no sense to attach some morality to how this feature is sold ... but not other features that are offered in exactly the same way. That's dishonest.
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> > You're just proving my point, I wrote a wall of text for you to just snip half of one sentence and follow it by "no cuz Anet"
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> No, I just didn't include it in the quote. It's got nothing to do with 'cuz Anet' ... that's just your spin because your actual arguments are so weak.
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> What they are doing isn't exceptional. It's standard business practice ... there isn't a reason to complain about how these features are offered as a reason to change it. There isn't any right or wrong. It's simply how they decided to do it. You're attempts to criminalize that are sad.
My arguments are not weak at all.
I'm saying the exact same thing @"Dalec.9853" is....
That they shouldn't charge for it but make more cosmetics and charge for those instead and content. They'd earn far more that way even.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > Hey ... that's a nice suggestion ... when you make a MMO, you feel free to use that business model. It's simply not very realistic to suggest Anet change how they do business because you don't want to pay for features.
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> > > > > > One simple question to you then, no twisting words or adding them, simple yes or no... Do you think ArenaNet have ever changed their business model with GW2?
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> > > > > I don't see where they have. I can see that they might be with how they are dealing with expansions. I know where you want to go with this; you aren't the first one to try this approach ... I'm ready. Let's continue.
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> > > > Well if he is not the first one to question you that, maybe it's a sign that you're in the wrong. And so far by your comment history, barely anyone agrees with you.
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> > > Someone asking me a question is a sign I'm wrong? OK ... I'm going to let you think about why that doesn't make sense. I mean, if I'm wrong ... where? my premise is PRETTY simple ... Anet offers things in exchange for money from customers ... for some reason, you guys think this is some exception to that. You haven't explained why ... probably because we already have multiple instances of the exact same kind of feature being offered in exactly the same way since day 1. But don't let that stop you ...
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> > > Please, now you tell me why I'm wrong ... or is that all?
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> > My point is, I saw many people say you're wrong and that you don't understand...
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> That's par for the course. That's why we are having this discussion. No, I understand just fine.
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> There isn't anything 'wrong' with how Anet offers these quantity-based features. That's for Anet to decide. Again, it's a business. They offer, people can buy or not. If there is a lack of 'correctness', people will let them know by not purchasing. It makes no sense to attach some morality to how this feature is sold ... but not other features that are offered in exactly the same way. That's dishonest.
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You're just proving my point, I wrote a wall of text for you to just snip half of one sentence and follow it by "no cuz Anet"
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > Hey ... that's a nice suggestion ... when you make a MMO, you feel free to use that business model. It's simply not very realistic to suggest Anet change how they do business because you don't want to pay for features.
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> > > > One simple question to you then, no twisting words or adding them, simple yes or no... Do you think ArenaNet have ever changed their business model with GW2?
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> > > I don't see where they have. I can see that they might be with how they are dealing with expansions. I know where you want to go with this; you aren't the first one to try this approach ... I'm ready. Let's continue.
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> > Well if he is not the first one to question you that, maybe it's a sign that you're in the wrong. And so far by your comment history, barely anyone agrees with you.
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> Someone asking me a question is a sign I'm wrong? OK ... I'm going to let you think about why that doesn't make sense. I mean, if I'm wrong ... where? my premise is PRETTY simple ... Anet offers things in exchange for money from customers ... for some reason, you guys think this is some exception to that. You haven't explained why ... probably because we already have multiple instances of the exact same kind of feature being offered in exactly the same way since day 1. But don't let that stop you ...
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> Please, now you tell me why I'm wrong ... or is that all?
My point is, I saw many people say you're wrong and that you don't understand... and all you do is reply "No, cuz Anet", you never stop and think if you are since so many say you are misunderstanding.
for example @"Dalec.9853" said that he has NO problem spending money as long as it's on actual content and skins. He doesn't like them selling templates as they should be coming with the game from the start by default. - But you just go on "well they have to earn money and you want everything for free" - no, he doesn't want everything for free, he is even saying he would like to spend more money as long as it's on cosmetics and content rather than being forced into buying more slots.
Anet doesn't have to sell templates to earn money, they can make it all up by adding some cosmetics.
I'd rather them just implement optional sub fee (something like ESO) if they're struggling rather than having us wait a little over 7 years for templates just to put a fee on it. I play mesmer for example, always have... so I'm supposed to spend loads of money buying 10 templates when I'd rather buy mounts, outfits...etc. I'd love them to add more hairs, like I said to you, I had no problem spending £200 pounds to get perma hair kit or £75 on gambling for Starborn outfit so even if they put hairs up on gemstore, I'd still get them, because it's cosmetics, something I can wear, show and see. I shouldn't be paying for, essentially ... "options" tab, with settings that could be saved in local file like GW1
Just because there are bank, inventory and bag slots to buy (which, I have to say I don't agree with buying those either but still had to cuz they give you so many things that you're forced into buying slots) doesn't make it right to add another one. Especially because it was in GW1 by default and unlimited. And I see you constantly go on how - "You can't compare GW2 to GW1, they're not the same". - Well yes you can compare because it's the same company and 2 is just continuing 1, all it does is "play" different (you can't say LOTR 1 and 2 are different books just because it's not the same text copy-pasted? they belong to the same trilogy, they're not completely different stories), and it is the build feature we compare, not game as a whole. Just because they "play" different, doesn't mean they should leave out are core feature that used to be unlimited.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > Hey ... that's a nice suggestion ... when you make a MMO, you feel free to use that business model. It's simply not very realistic to suggest Anet change how they do business because you don't want to pay for features.
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> > One simple question to you then, no twisting words or adding them, simple yes or no... Do you think ArenaNet have ever changed their business model with GW2?
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> I don't see where they have. I can see that they might be with how they are dealing with expansions. I know where you want to go with this; you aren't the first one to try this approach ... I'm ready. Let's continue.
Well if he is not the first one to question you that, maybe it's a sign that you're in the wrong. And so far by your comment history, barely anyone agrees with you.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
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> > > > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
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> > > > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > > > > > What are you thanking them for ? Thank you for not milking me and actually doing your job like you promised back in 2012?
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> > > > > > > > > > > Hold on ... what makes you think that even if this feature was released in 2012, you wouldn't be charged for it? What you are saying doesn't make sense. the timing has NOTHING to do on whether Anet is going to monetize a feature or not.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is 'milking' anyone. That's how sour people talk when they have to pay for something they want ... when they think they should be entitled enough to get it for nothing. There is absolutely NOTHING unreasonable going on here. It's an extra, QoL feature. The OP has it right ... everyone SHOULD be thankful you get access to some off a useful feature without having to pay for it.
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> > > > > > > > > > Well of course, you're back with your kiss kitten attitude. kitten off...
> > > > > > > > > > I'm done arguing sense with you from the last thread
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> > > > > > > > > Do you work for free or why do you think everyone has to work for free for you?
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> > > > > > > > I don't think everyone has to work for free, having an opinion that some things are acceptable paid and some things should be core features is absolutely NOTHING like saying I wish "everyone has to work for free", especially when it was free and unlimited in GW1, it's a downgrade from a free add-on currently* and it's something that if other games can't be bothered to implement as a core feature they allow addons/mods do it for them (Actually could someone name another major MMO that charges for this feature?)
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> > > > > > > > \* Because if you can't do better, ban it
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> > > > > > > > > From reddit
> > > > > > > > > "This. One of the conditions to ANet allowing my templates extension was that I let it die when an official solution comes around, and that condition hasn't changed"
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> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952"
> > > > > > > > > entitled
> > > > > > > > You misunderstand, not entitled to have it for free, we're entitled to call greedy bastards what they are when we see it though. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's ok to have yours even if it's wrong.
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> > > > > > > Who is the greedy one here that wants everything for free? Do you complain at the supermarket because you have to pay for your groceries? Again, Guild Wars 2 is not Guild Wars 2.
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> > > > > > Do you even read? nobody said EVERYTHING for free.
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> > > > > No, apparently just the things YOU want for free. Yes, you think Anet are greedy because they want to get paid for services rendered ... but you aren't entitled because you think you should be able to decide what features you should be getting for free? OH OK then ... I guess we can be assured that how things will actually work ... aren't the way you think they should. Thank goodness for the rest of us.
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> > > > You're so blind.
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> > > I think what is blind is not realizing there isn't anything exceptional here. Anet provides a service and customers patronize them for it. Somehow you convinced yourself there is something criminal about that. I don't get how; you experience this every day for any product or service you pay for. There isn't anything different here than those examples.
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> > > No mistake on my part. I have a REASONABLE expectation that I will pay for services rendered and products obtained. My snowflake don't melt anytime there is a suggestion I have to exchange money for something I want.
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> > People already paid for their work. So templates should come for "free"...
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> That kind of statement shows a significant lack of understanding how this business model works.
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> That doesn't make sense ... Anet is VERY clear what you get when you pay for something ... and templates were NEVER part of any paid content until now. Whether you think they should be free or not has no bearing on if selling features to customers is some exceptionally unreasonable thing for a business to do. It in fact is very reasonable for Anet to do this. They have in fact been doing this since the Gem store existed.
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Just cuz something was done since forever doesn't make it right.
Do you also think it's right that they are removing headphones socket on phones for example? Do you also think "well they gotta make money, how else would they make money if they don't make us buy dongles" ?
I'm sure you're not like this irl, to take everything so lightly ... I'm sure you're rolling your eyes every time you hear companies mess something up.
Unless you're 12 yr old kid who's sitting on parents back and don't understand the concept of money so you don't care as it's not yours
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > @"yoni.7015" said:
> > > > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > > > @"yoni.7015" said:
> > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > > > What are you thanking them for ? Thank you for not milking me and actually doing your job like you promised back in 2012?
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> > > > > > > > > Hold on ... what makes you think that even if this feature was released in 2012, you wouldn't be charged for it? What you are saying doesn't make sense. the timing has NOTHING to do on whether Anet is going to monetize a feature or not.
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> > > > > > > > > Nothing is 'milking' anyone. That's how sour people talk when they have to pay for something they want ... when they think they should be entitled enough to get it for nothing. There is absolutely NOTHING unreasonable going on here. It's an extra, QoL feature. The OP has it right ... everyone SHOULD be thankful you get access to some off a useful feature without having to pay for it.
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well of course, you're back with your kiss kitten attitude. kitten off...
> > > > > > > > I'm done arguing sense with you from the last thread
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you work for free or why do you think everyone has to work for free for you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think everyone has to work for free, having an opinion that some things are acceptable paid and some things should be core features is absolutely NOTHING like saying I wish "everyone has to work for free", especially when it was free and unlimited in GW1, it's a downgrade from a free add-on currently* and it's something that if other games can't be bothered to implement as a core feature they allow addons/mods do it for them (Actually could someone name another major MMO that charges for this feature?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > \* Because if you can't do better, ban it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From reddit
> > > > > > > "This. One of the conditions to ANet allowing my templates extension was that I let it die when an official solution comes around, and that condition hasn't changed"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952"
> > > > > > > entitled
> > > > > > You misunderstand, not entitled to have it for free, we're entitled to call greedy bastards what they are when we see it though. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's ok to have yours even if it's wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is the greedy one here that wants everything for free? Do you complain at the supermarket because you have to pay for your groceries? Again, Guild Wars 2 is not Guild Wars 2.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you even read? nobody said EVERYTHING for free.
> > >
> > > No, apparently just the things YOU want for free. Yes, you think Anet are greedy because they want to get paid for services rendered ... but you aren't entitled because you think you should be able to decide what features you should be getting for free? OH OK then ... I guess we can be assured that how things will actually work ... aren't the way you think they should. Thank goodness for the rest of us.
> >
> > You're so blind.
>
> I think what is blind is not realizing there isn't anything exceptional here. Anet provides a service and customers patronize them for it. Somehow you convinced yourself there is something criminal about that. I don't get how; you experience this every day for any product or service you pay for. There isn't anything different here than those examples.
>
> No mistake on my part. I have a REASONABLE expectation that I will pay for services rendered and products obtained. My snowflake don't melt anytime there is a suggestion I have to exchange money for something I want.
People already paid for their work. So templates should come for "free"...
If you bought Samsung phone and when you turned it on it had nothing on it but all you see is ...
"If you want browser - $10"
"if you want imagine viewer - $10"
...etc
you'd call them up and rant how you already gave them $1000, so why do you have to give them additional $10 for applications it should come with BY DEFAULT.
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> @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > @"yoni.7015" said:
> > > > @"Dalec.9853" said:
> > > > > @"yoni.7015" said:
> > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > @"Obtena.7952" said:
> > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > What are you thanking them for ? Thank you for not milking me and actually doing your job like you promised back in 2012?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hold on ... what makes you think that even if this feature was released in 2012, you wouldn't be charged for it? What you are saying doesn't make sense. the timing has NOTHING to do on whether Anet is going to monetize a feature or not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing is 'milking' anyone. That's how sour people talk when they have to pay for something they want ... when they think they should be entitled enough to get it for nothing. There is absolutely NOTHING unreasonable going on here. It's an extra, QoL feature. The OP has it right ... everyone SHOULD be thankful you get access to some off a useful feature without having to pay for it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well of course, you're back with your kiss kitten attitude. kitten off...
> > > > > > I'm done arguing sense with you from the last thread
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you work for free or why do you think everyone has to work for free for you?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't think everyone has to work for free, having an opinion that some things are acceptable paid and some things should be core features is absolutely NOTHING like saying I wish "everyone has to work for free", especially when it was free and unlimited in GW1, it's a downgrade from a free add-on currently* and it's something that if other games can't be bothered to implement as a core feature they allow addons/mods do it for them (Actually could someone name another major MMO that charges for this feature?)
> > > >
> > > > \* Because if you can't do better, ban it
> > > >
> > > > > From reddit
> > > > > "This. One of the conditions to ANet allowing my templates extension was that I let it die when an official solution comes around, and that condition hasn't changed"
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > > @"Obtena.7952"
> > > > > entitled
> > > > You misunderstand, not entitled to have it for free, we're entitled to call greedy bastards what they are when we see it though. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's ok to have yours even if it's wrong.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Who is the greedy one here that wants everything for free? Do you complain at the supermarket because you have to pay for your groceries? Again, Guild Wars 2 is not Guild Wars 2.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Do you even read? nobody said EVERYTHING for free.
>
> No, apparently just the things YOU want for free. Yes, you think Anet are greedy because they want to get paid for services rendered ... but you aren't entitled because you think you should be able to decide what features you should be getting for free? OH OK then ... I guess we can be assured that how things will actually work ... aren't the way you think they should. Thank goodness for the rest of us.
You're so blind.
But it's ok, I made the same mistake defending them like you are now... and then I woke up and realized what they're doing and how bad they actually are.
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> @"lokh.2695" said:
> > @"sigur.9453" said:
> > > @"lokh.2695" said:
> > > > @"SLOTH.5231" said:
> > > > > @"lokh.2695" said:
> > > > > > @"sigur.9453" said:
> > > > > > kitten off.
> > > > > > Ps: please permaban me, not interested in making any more business with you after all. Cu
> > > > >
> > > > > Can I have your stuff? kthxbye
> > > >
> > > > He’s not going anywhere he’s playing the game as we speak lol
> > >
> > > I thought as much. The yelling crowd always keeps playing because without the game they would be out of things to cry over ;)
> >
> > You can actually look it up ingame if I am playing, you would be surprised. You want stuff for free? How dare you!
>
> "Can I have your stuff? kthxbye" is less an expression of a real desire to get free stuff(wouldn't say no to it either but who would tbh) but more of an expression on how little I care about one more whining post from an unsattisfied customer who threatens to leave the game. Posts like these are beeing made every day over issues of all sizes, I do share some of them, don't get me wrong, but should I ever quit the game I would just quit it instead of posting about it on a forum.
He didn't even threaten to leave the game. You and OP should learn to read.
He said he is not interested in doing business with them anymore which could just mean he won't buy things anymore.
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> @"SLOTH.5231" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"SLOTH.5231" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > What are you thanking them for ? Thank you for not milking me and actually doing your job like you promised back in 2012?
> > > > I don't know, maybe you're right, considering how money hungry they are as of late, we should start to thank them to giving us something.
> > > > I just wish they'd finally give us HAIRS. not CHAIRS. Maybe they're just reading it wrong ... and adding C in front, so they think we actually care for ugly chairs.
> > >
> > > You do realize Anet is a business and to be successful you have to make money at said business. It’s not like they are forcing anyone to pay for anything. Hell you even get the game free now.
> > >
> > > It’s the entitlement that is plaguing the minds here not the game or Anet. If you don’t like it then simply stop playing it’s simple.
> >
> > I didn't expect anything else from forums anyway, but just people who blindly defend them.
> > You can still be NOT greedy and have successful business, that's how they even started and people liked it, they turned money hungry after HoT.
> > Also, I don't get game for free, I bought everything and MUCH MORE, just for them to milk me some more.
> > And you do realize you're killing the game by telling the people to leave the game ? .... you're kind of taking the money away from them by telling people to leave, yet you preach how they need to earn $.
>
> It’s people like me that you’re even getting the stuff Anet is putting out. People like me who spend hundreds of dollars so people like you who want it all for free can get it for FREE!!!!
I spend hundreds of pounds too. I spend £200 for perma hair kit. So don't go off on me. I gave A LOT of my money and I got every right to be frustrated. So don't feel entitled and think you're the reason anyone has got anything. You're not the only one with a job and coin in your pocket.
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What are you thanking them for ? Thank you for not milking me and actually doing your job like you promised back in 2012?
I don't know, maybe you're right, considering how money hungry they are as of late, we should start to thank them to giving us something.
I just wish they'd finally give us HAIRS. not CHAIRS. Maybe they're just reading it wrong ... and adding C in front, so they think we actually care for ugly chairs.
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If it's your friend, then at least you would know he wouldn't scam you.
If you're trading random person, you risk being scammed.
As for if it's legal/illegal ... really, logically... it's not like Anet would know if you did it or not anyway. They just see you give or get something, they can never know it's related. They also can never know if you received any money irl as they can't see what you're doing with your card, let alone if you got cash on hands.
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> @"Ayrilana.1396" said:
> > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:
> > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:
> > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:
> > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > > @"Ayrilana.1396" said:
> > > > > > > > > > @"MetalGirl.2370" said:
> > > > > > > > > > I still ask myself why I even bother playing the game.
> > > > > > > > > > The only reason I haven't left is cuz I'm over 14k hours in with 39k AP. Too much time and money went into it that now it's too late to leave.
> > > > > > > > > > You summed it all up pretty nicely and Anet doesn't even play their game in their off time to understand anything people say. It's absurd that you need 2h to finish meta and open the vault, unless you just decide to buy keys (but that just encourages irl money spending, as you're not playing the game to earn gold but convert gems to play - but maybe that's what Anet wants)
> > > > > > > > > > They have no regard for people who work, most have families, so if you worked and had 3-4 hours after work, you'd spend most of it with your family, which leaves little to no time for actual game. And there's a lot that one might want to do, but here they are doing single meta that takes 2 hours to do... for reward that's pretty much nothing considering the time that went into it. Another problem is that it has 20-30mins between each event, so if you're like me and you have everything done, you can do daily in between 2 of them but then that leaves you with break between other metas which they're so short that you don't have time to start anything else to kill time. So you're either just going to give up and go play something else in the game, something else entirely or just AFK-ing most of the 2h.
> > > > > > > > > > I even told my bf, I feel like GW2 became an "idle/clicker" game for people who have done everything - you come in, you afk 15-30min, click and press buttons for 5min, then afk for another 15-30min.
> > > > > > > > > > I wonder if next major patch will bring "moves a day thing" as well, so once we spend our 100 clicks, we either wait 1h or pay 400 gems. (I feel like I just gave them an awesome idea)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You make it as if players can’t earn gold from playing the game and use that to purchase the keys. It doesn’t encourage people to buy gems more than anything else in the game. It’s no different than people spending two hours doing world bosses. The metas are spread out enough that you can do other things in between them. You have high playtime hours and high AP so clearly the two hours isn’t the real issue for you. If it is, just spend ~30 min and farm the gold for the keys. I’m sure that earning 4.6G in less than two hours is manageable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then what is the point in Anet making updates if I go elsewhere to earn money in order to do them? I thought new updates are there to be played, how dare I tell Anet to make it less annoying to play a game I paid for and poured 7 years of my life in. Interesting how they finally added some content and people are supposed to go do something else to earn money in order to do current content faster instead of Anet just coming to their senses and realizing that people have work, families and other games to play.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then do the metas. The option to farm gold to purchase the keys is available to those who don’t want to do them which you appeared to fall under based on your post. The metas take no more time to do than your typical meta (5-10 min).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But I think, above all, that I should try and get myself off of forums eventually because everybody here just defends them with their lives as if Anet is just divine. (which never works cuz it's a weird feeling of "Let's go see how people are defending them today" and once I do I regret it cuz I'm left angered and in disbelief)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There’s a difference between defending Anet and defending something particular in the game. They can be mutually exclusive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am doing events, but I can still dislike the whole design of it. Cuz I'm not going to waste gold and then have to do some mindless farming more than I do already.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can certainly dislike them but there are options and they’re not as time consuming as they’re being made out to be.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And I'll just give an example, latest thing we were angry about is the whole theater thing. People were mad, Rubi came and said something about people attacking them, the anger immediately died down.... now.... fast foward, patch day ... if you read little blue text for Merchandise Collector achievement, it literally says something about going to Bangar's Rally and all we got is merch....
> > > > > > hmmmm..... does is not ring a bell ?
> > > > > > People were mostly angry about the whole merch ad at their thing.... and their theater thing could be like "a rally"... so what I'm saying is, here are people being mad at Anet for false hype and 30min for merch sales, and they're having a laugh about it to the point of literally making a mock achievement ....
> > > > > > They DON'T care. But people still defend them...
> > > > >
> > > > > That example is one fairly large leap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just because they don’t do what YOU want them to do does not mean that they don’t care about the game.
> > > >
> > > > That was an example of how people forget how they were mad at Anet. And of how Anet still mocks anything we're mad about, I can only imagine what goes on behind closed doors in that building. I'm saying they don't care about what people want, think or say, if they cared, they'd not go on and make achievement to mock what we were mad at them for.
> > >
> > > This is an example of reading way into things and making connections where there are none.
> > >
> > > It seems like you’re upset that the meta reward structure isn’t the way that you want it and you’re now inventing things to justify that claim.
> >
> > Yeah sure, no connections...
> > what a coincidence it's called Merchandise Collector, with word "rally" to imply theater, and how all we got is merch, which is what people were mad at them for, for hyping it just to give us merch ads...
> > and what a coincidence it's also an achievement in an episode that's right after the whole situation.
>
> The only connections are those you’ve invented and are forcing.
That's what Anet wants you and people like you to think. It's obviously completely linked to it. Why else would they add that text if it wasn't ...
Many of us kind of take a lot of things in GW2 for granted.
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After 7 years + , logging every single day, each thing you listed is literally nothing to be so amazed about when you get little to no content...
When you're annoyed at direction Anet is taking, last thing you'll think of is "oh wow, they have nice UI" ... you get used to any UI if you stay long enough, when I started ESO I thought I was going to get a heart attack when I saw UI in there but after a day it's just fine.
and ESO has much better everything and it's not running on dx9 ...