draxynnic.3719

> @Yadovid.5863 said:

> He's E.

> _Body is 3 characters too short._

Marjory's encountered E in person, or someone who claimed to be E. Didn't get a good look at him, but it does seem enough to narrow E down to male human or close to.

Gleam could be the one giving E orders, though.

One observation that's coming to mind in this discussion is that while we've seen examples of minions corrupted by multiple energies (Inquest experiments and the new Destroyers) we haven't seen any evidence that doing so changes their allegiances. The Inquest experiments were either in the control of the Inquest or not, and the new Destroyers, obviously, remained under Primordus' control.

So it is possible that while multi-corruption is possible, the 'forced loyalty' aspect only triggers once. So while Zhaitan (or some other Elder Dragon) could theoretically corrupt a sylvari, there'd be no benefit to it because the sylvari was already claimed by Mordremoth (and that claim then broken through whatever means allowed the Pale Tree to be independent). Similarly, it might be entirely possible for, say, Kralkatorrik to Brand a Destroyer, but the result would be that Primordus gets a Destroyer with Branded abilities as well, not that Kralkatorrik claims the Destroyer for himself. So Kralkatorrik has no incentive to Brand a Destroyer even if he has the opportunity.

(The Inquest, on the other hand, is already usurping control, so they don't care which dragon the minion would be loyal to without that usurpation.)

This might actually explain what we're told about the sylvari. The general impression we have is that sylvari were immune - but there is the odd line here and there which indicates that the sylvari _can_ be corrupted by dragons, it's just that to sylvari it's fatal rather than converting them into a minion. Which would result in situations where, for instance, champions of Zhaitan might corrupt sylvari in order to kill them, but does not take that extra step of reanimating them, as the result would just be an undead sylvari that still had the exact same loyalties and goals that they had in life.

> @BunjiKugashira.9754 said:

> The whole mind / dream theory seems convincing when talking about living Sylvari. But what about dead ones? Shouldn't the domains of plants and death be the perfect combination to create Sylvari zombies? We know that Jormag and Kralkatorrik used to primarily corrupt living organisms, but that was before Zhaitan's death.

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> So I believe the dead will rise again. This time reinforced by ice or crystals. And the Sylvari are not safe.

That's a valid point. It's possible that sylvari being cleansed will mean that they're immune to having this done, or that it could be done but the dragon that does it might find they have no control over the sylvari risen that are created. But it could be that combining plants and death would allow for the effect you hypothesise.

(Note that it's likely that Kralkatorrik didn't get much "Mordy juice" due to distance, but I guess we'll find that out when we meet the new Branded in Elona.)

We haven't seen the coefficients yet, but it does seem that most of the Tome of Courage skills have decent straight damage components to their attacks, so I'm expecting power Firebrand to be viable. There'll be some skills that probably will be less worth using without high condition damage, but elementalist already has that consideration, and in firebrand's case, if they don't use a skill they can just use that page on one that better suits their build.

I'd also contest the idea that necromancers are giving up their defenses to have Barrier.

They're giving up Death/Reaper Shroud in order to have greater support and stand-off capability, within which the ability to grant Barrier to themselves and others is a portion of that support. It's a significant trade, but Barrier is only part of that trade - scourges aren't exactly lacking in other benefits they get for that tradeoff.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> * There's no known correlation between the Hall of Ascension and the Temple of the Six. If anything, I would correlate the Hall of Ascension with the Gate of Heaven that Abaddon laid siege to. However, it's also possible to correlate the Temple of the Six to the Gate of Heaven. Either way, I would find it equally if not more likely for said Gate of Heaven to be located near where the Mouth of Torment is now, whether connected to the Temple of the Six or not. One theory is that Abaddon fell at/near the Temple of the Six and the Mouth of Torment is not only where Abaddon's defeat was, but where the Temple was too as it has roughly the same shape (both being circular to it's not that great of an argument).

It would actually explain how it got sucked into the Realm of Torment if Abaddon's defeat had happened at the site of the temple. It'd essentially be collateral damage as Abaddon is being pulled into the Realm of Torment.

> @"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:

> Ironically, the Dream is also how Mordremoth turns sylvari (Note: He does *NOT* corrupt them - at least not in the "dragon corruption" sense; what [he does seems to be whispering thoughts designed to seem like the sylvari's own thoughts](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prisoners_of_the_Dragon#Saving_the_Smiths) so those who ever had doubts or malicious thoughts would turn to Mordremoth, believing these to be their own rather than Mordremoth's). Basically, what Mordremoth does to sylvari during HoT is a more traditional brainwashing / hypnotizing ideal. Bombard an individual with thoughts, convincing them those thoughts are their own, so that they follow you willingly. Those who resisted realized the thoughts belonged to Mordremoth - or were so sure of themselves, like Occam, that they knew the thoughts to be not their own, even if they didn't know it was Mordremoth's.

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> > Sylvari receive calls to action in the form of the Wyld Hunt—or the Dark Hunt, for Nightmare Courtiers—and these compulsions act as an access point for Mordremoth’s influence.

> https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/

Pretty much this. I'd note that Edge of Destiny it's implied that Glint retains some ability to feel what Kralkatorrik is up to, which could indicate that even 'cleansed' minions and champions are still connected to their former master. Glint, being possibly the most powerful user of mind-magic behind Mordremoth and Lyssa, isn't at much risk of being influenced through that link. For the sylvari, though, it essentially gave Mordremoth a back door into their minds that he could use to brainwash them. The Mordrem Guard certainly did not appear to be corrupted in the same way that regular minions were.

Whether another dragon could potentially pick up the ability to use that link... I'm not sure. It might have been completely specific to Mordremoth, and now that Mordremoth is dead, the link is gone: even if another Elder Dragon of Plants and Mind does arise, it still won't be the one that created the Blighting Trees and, ultimately, the sylvari. Alternatively, it's possible that just having the right combination of domains is enough: being products of plant magic, it might be that plant magic allows direct influence over sylvari in general, and if you combine it with mind this allows for what Mordremoth did.

That, or there are other hatchlings out there that we've never even seen... after all, a hatched egg is no longer 'intact'. :p

You can still access the old forums if you know the address to do so (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum), you just can't post there.

How long that will continue to be the case we don't know, but for now at least, it's all there.

> @Maethor.2810 said:

> > @draxynnic.3719 said:

> > Hrrrmn. I _think_ that there's an indication that the Tomb of the Primeval Kings was constructed after Abaddon's banishment. The Primeval Kings certainly pushed north in the aftermath - they built the fortress-city of Morah, which watched over the Mouth of Torment until it had to be abandoned by the expanding Desolation.

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> From what I recall, that is the case. The Primeval Kings expanded their rule northwards around 29AE including into the Desolation and CD and that year is when it is specified that was when they started burying their dead in the desert (Tomb of the PK in CD, Dynastic Tombs in Desolation, and Traitor's Tomb at some point). So I would assume they didn't start construction on the tombs until after their northward climb, which happens after Abaddon's banishment.

Ah, yes. I was looking at the timeline to verify that King Thorn died before the end of the Shattered Dynasties, but didn't think to check if it gave a date for the northern expansion or the tombs. But that entry does seem pretty conclusive - if they didn't go into Vabbi or the Desolation until after the Exodus, we can probably conclude they didn't reach the region the TOPK until afterwards either.

Hrrrmn. I _think_ that there's an indication that the Tomb of the Primeval Kings was constructed after Abaddon's banishment. The Primeval Kings certainly pushed north in the aftermath - they built the fortress-city of Morah, which watched over the Mouth of Torment until it had to be abandoned by the expanding Desolation.

With regards to Sahlaja, the impression I get was that Sahlaja dates back to the Shattered Dynasties era (we know Joko was active during King Thorn's lifetime), and Sahlajar appears to be an independent kingdom that was outside of Kourna or Vabbi. I don't think that's been formally confirmed, but it seems to fit with the history as we know it.

As far as I know, there are no definitive answers to your questions, although there is one comment I can make:

Regarding the defiled temple: not only is it banished to the Realm of Torment, but you can actually visit it, and in fact have to in order to complete Nightfall. Unless my memory has completely failed me, it's the temple where you fight Shiro and Khilbron and then speak to the Muse of Lyssa. So you're probably right in saying that there are no ruins of it to be found in Tyria... although it is possible that it's possible to identify where it _was,_ or that what we find in the Realm of Torment is actually a Nightfallen mirror of the temple similar to Nightfallen Jahai.

The Season of the Scion did actually have meaning at the time. In fact, by the standards of prophecy, it's frighteningly direct. The Season of the Scion is the Tyrian equivalent of "autumn".

Winter is Colossus, Spring is Zephyr, and Summer is Phoenix.

[https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mouvelian_calendar](https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mouvelian_calendar "https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mouvelian_calendar")

I've generally had the idea that part of the reason why it may not cost _us_ a lot of money to use gates, waypoints, etc is because we essentially have a 'sponsor', whether it's our iconic (early in the storyline) and their ties to the government of our race, our order, or the Pact as a whole. Through that sponsor, we get at-cost use of the various asura transportation devices, while for people without a sponsor they're substantially more expensive.

That's just a shot in the dark, however, so take it with a grain of salt.

> @Fluffy.6058 said:

> well his most likely chilling with the brotherhood of the dragon, like how his Mother was chilling with the forgotten ones if i recall right

The Brotherhood of the Dragon has essentially been replaced by the Zephyrites (and the Forgotten by the Exalted). It is entirely possible that Gleam is holed up somewhere pulling the proverbial strings of the Zephyrites, though. We might find out with that Zephyrite-esque settlement we've seen in Path of Fire shots.