Styros.8931

> @"CutesySylveon.8290" said: > > @"Styros.8931" said: > > can say 100 times more . If you playing d/p p/d stop crying, its broken af and you not supposed to cry about buff thiefs . If you playing non pistol weapon sets, ok understandable > > Once again, the guy with absolutely no understanding of thief is here to say pistol is the problem when both sets using the same weapon are completely different and have nothing to do with each other. yes its completly different , BUT . D/P is best power and P/D best condi , there no other weapon sets, literally because pistol giving too much impact in both ways

> @"Pati.2438" said: > Thief also isnt fun to play against so nerf both? xD .... no Joke aside xd nerf renegate the biggest pleb kitten ever. nerf daredevil mobility and buff its damage and im fine x) its fine to play if you play vs thief who not using pistol. If its d/p well its just stealth spam with heartseeker > blackpowder , and nonstop blinds and unblock blinds

can say 100 times more . If you playing d/p p/d stop crying, its broken af and you not supposed to cry about buff thiefs . If you playing non pistol weapon sets, ok understandable

can say 100 times more . If you playing d/p p/d stop crying, its broken af and you not supposed to cry about buff thiefs . If you playing non pistol weapon sets, ok understandable

> @"Paradoxoglanis.1904" said: > I want to be able to stealth on demand with my all signet mes, war, necro, and ele build no 12345678

> @"Bear.9568" said: > Buff thief, but what am I saying.... only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

no 1234567

whole necro is broken, specially fear zone, but who cares :joy:

> @"KrHome.1920" said: > Is this discussion getting somewehere? Looks a bit like going round in circles. > > Stating the obvious: > - Teef has no fight presence, because it trades it for mobility. Hit and run is class design. yeah , if you are trash tier thief

> @"Math.5123" said: > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Moradorin.6217" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"lightstalker.1498" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to see YOU, the one complaining about thief, show casing how thief is OP, and can we see last 10 games played on thief screenshot with at or above 50% win rate? It is a sad state of affairs when devs balance the game around streamers. Some really do nothing else, and I would hope that means they are good at the game, if you get my drift. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure here is a video I made recently. exactly 10 minutes into the video I ambushed by an high rank d/p thief. Although I did defeat the thief in both fights, I think its pretty clear that the thief lost almost by choice. What I mean is, the thief is able to reset over and over trying to get a burst. At the same time, on Mirage my clones run around and almost never actually make contact. The actual kill on the thief is very short using confusion, which is NOT easy. Most of the time these fights go to the thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly 10 minutes into the video my fight with a d/p DD starts. The clip right after is the DDs 2nd attempt which also fails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure this is the video you wanted to show? It seems to me like it shows that even against Thieves best matchup by a wide margin, condi mesmer (Plasma is OP), the thief had absolutely no hope of ever killing you. The best he could do is run away and survive, and if he stayed to fight, he would always have died, as he did in the end. And thats even against a player *clicking* their skills, which is highly inefficient to the point of giving the thief a massive advantage he usually wont have in a fight. Now of course, this is in WvW, not sPvP, so thieves advantage of being the fastest decapper and +1er is non-existent, and yeah, thief isnt any good in WvW, hence why despite the inherent popularity of rogue classes, nowadays you dont see a lot of thieves in WvW. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various thief players screaming frantically to explain how losing 3/4 times in a row but being basically unpunished 'cause of the hundred thousand save-my-butt buttons (_which they claim *DO NOT* exist_) is balanced, healthy, cool and overall requires thief to be buffed 'cause come on, being able to reset whenever you lose is not enough, you need to be able to deal a kitten ton of damage too > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > Thief is a class with a high skill cap but an absolute kitten pepega took 2:30 minutes of pounding before he finally went down, making mistakes that on any other class would have been instadeath; the guy got killed by absolute chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish I could play the easy mode too but I don't like thief :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get the feeling you replied to the wrong thing? I mean then again, it seems youre just the newest flavour of burnfall, blind hatred of thief while simultaniously having clearly no clue about thief whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: played thief, left it early on 'cause it was unpunishable and I was disgusted by how deeply easy and with no depth the gameplay was. Thief players on this forum act as if stealth into backstab for 15 minutes until someone dies is high skill cap, I renew my invitation to play a real class -any real class- and see if you can get away with the kitten thief lets you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mate I've not even been playing thief in over a year. Im an Engineer player (core engineer specifically, which I'd wager is one of the hardest builds around in general). Thief aint easy. Easier than Engineer, yes, but *anything* that isnt some ele builds is easier than Engineer. > > > > > > > > > > Someone has yet to explain in which universe stealth into backstab for 15 minutes is high skill cap, 'cause for the life of me I can't understand it. > > > > > > > > Because thats just one tiny thing of the many things thief does? Thats like saying "Someone has yet to explain in which universe Plasma Beam into Arcane Blast and Lightning Strike for 15 minutes is high skill cap, 'cause for the life of me I can't understand it." Or hell, Prestige into Cry of Frustration. Because its a stupid statement meant by someone who clearly fails to understand even the absolute fundamentals of thief. > > > > > > Try failing a burst with a d\p thief, then try failing a burst with a fresh air ele, come back to this forum and report to the rest of the community what happens when you fail and CAN'T reset 100 times. > > > > tRy FaiLiNg a BuRsT oN D/P tHiEF anD tHeN Go BuTtOn MaSH oN NeCRo foR 2000% MoRe DaMaGe aNd MoRe SurViVabIliTY, CoMe BacK To ThIs FoRuM aNd RePoRt To ThE ReSt oF the CoMMuNi... CoMmMuni... CoMmUniTttty WhaT HapPenS WhEn yoU faIl and CaN"T ReSet 100 TimEs > > > > how'd I do? > > Imagine thinking necro has better survivability than thief. Good times. yeah actually funny guy. D/P have endless unblock blind + cleanse after dodge because DD . Literally don't understand why d/p thiefs cry

> @"Ashantara.8731" said: > I just _can't stand_ Rytlock's whiney, aggressive tone any longer. mute voice . Problem solved

> @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > Most players are bad and pick builds off of Metabattle hoping that it would carry them while thinking other builds must suck. They then either don't know how to play the build or use skills on a rotation like as if it's PvE. Spend less time complaining and just get better. 10 yo child logic. Funny moment, 1 clown lost to me 1x1 many times today and everytime he said that I use metabattle when you literally can't find my build anywhere . You guys need start use own brain and understand berserker is right now biggest trash tier class no matter what build you make only because he got 0 sustain at all or 0 dmg, you can't make both like guard or rev or spell. Zerk right now is , enemy is trash tier > you kill , other way you are dead , just glass cannon that can be blocked dodged

don't care about condi zerk because condi builds specially burn = cancer . Buff power zerk, want to see same life sustain and etc like guard instead of glass cannon or zero dmg with 2h sword

> @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Styros.8931" said: > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > @"Styros.8931" said: > > > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > > > > > @"Terrorhuz.4695" said: > > > > > > > Tried thief a couple of times. > > > > > > > Hated how everything was so incredibly easy, any mistake went unpunished (no matter how hard you kitten up, you can always just dodge away, or stealth away -and shadow rejuvenation will bring you back to 100%-, or teleport away, or steal+unblockable daze that bypasses stab at the last second, or blind at the last second). > > > > > > > Didn't touch it again, I was disgusted. Not gonna touch it just to prove a point on the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's play a different game: you try another class and then you come back here to tell us how it feels to play a game where people can actually punish you when you make a mistake, instead of having a hundred thousand save-my-butt buttons. Deal? > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience is holo is good at resets. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can chain defenses to get away enough to single out a thief on a shiro. > > > > > > > > > > > > Weavers are good and dodging and running away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mirages, well mesmers in general are pretty hard to pin down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean if we play full glass, zero defense on anything we probably cant run away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief has one initiative pool, so after any "good" skill use they have maybe one more, and everything else goes "on cooldown". > > > > > > > > > > > > The escape buttons lol..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious, what are the full hundred thousand save-my-butt buttons? (for thief) > > > > > > > > > > Three dodges with a very long travelled distance+ half a dodge from the signet, teleport which acts as a double stunbreak and also a cleanse, some more evade on dagger storm, one more evade on the healing skill (that, or some 5-6s of stealth, your choice), then even more stealth if you're running d\p (I'm assuming you do) + unblockable blindness here and there 'cause why tf shouldn't we add some more defensive options to thief they don't have anything, + swipe being an unblockable instacast ranged CC that bypasses stab and with the traits has a fairly low recharge time as well. > > > > > > > > > > Forgot anything? > > > > > > > > > > INB4 you're talking about daredevil not core thief. Yes I am. > > > > > > > > as I said like 100 times before its problem of D/P weapon set, other weapon sets doesn't have that huge impact > > > > > > Man its obviously u dont like teef weapon kits that include pistols or I'm betting rifle, that's ok as everyone dislikes the playstyles of some kits. > > Man , go play other weapon sets, then d/p then other again then d/p .After this manipulations look how bad you are and how op is d/p over other weapon sets. There no skill in spam blind from shadowshot and blackpowder , zero skill > > > > > > I play all weapon sets and do well on all but d/d builds so.......playing other weapon sets other than d/p doesn't make me feel like I'm bad, that may be just a u issue. Maybe practice a bit more on other builds. waiting for better proofs instead of just words , because playing on bronze with other weapon sets for you is fine

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