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this is the cycle of mesmer and im sure it has been repeated by others many times....nerf to crap > expansion (OP) > nerf to crap > expansion (OP) and the thing they fail to realize is an expansion isn't going to solve the core issue, its only going to make things more complicated to solve by adding more layers of crap.

and even then chronomancer supports cannot compare to how awesome it was when mesmer glamour ment something way back pre expanc

Its not the first time promises were broken, more often balance updates and the topic that is more elusive then mirage is alliances.

The only difference between thieves and mesmers is that thieves have no weapon CD and are able to get out of combat easily, mesmer on the other hand you blow most of you utilities etc to land a burst and once that fails you are pretty much dead. So no there is no comparison between thieves and mesmer. If you want to talk about more damage then stop running Shadow Arts.

Not trying to hamper your dreams to play mesmer but if you look at the rotation required for chrono power in pve is a lot longer and more complicated with more rooms of fck up inbetween then any other classes. In pvp/wvw mesmers are becoming an extinct class due to everything just being able to do better. Now idiots will say oh no ive seen good mesmers and they still kill me, well thts because tht person probably mains the class rather then jumping into the flavor of the month class or getting a build off metabattle thinking my build is meta if something beats it then therefore the class they r playing is op.

> @"Moradorin.6217" said: > > @"Yoci.2481" said: > > Mirage Cloak's Speed of Sand does not cover more ground than a dodge. A dodge covers 300 units. Speed of Sand grants 66% movement speed for 0.75 seconds. Base movement speed in combat is 210 units per second. > > 210u/s * 1.66 * 0.75s = 261.45 units. That's a lot less than the 300 units from a normal dodge. Speed of Sand is also affected by movement impairing conditions like chill or cripple. In that case it covers even less ground. And it only works in the forward direction, not sideways or backwards. > > > > All of that combines into a pretty reasonable trade-off. > > > > edit: And you can't dodge jump. > > Keeping it 100% on top of tht the actual dodge itself is lower then a normal dodge just the visual effects dont line up so people think its longer then it actually is

the fact that you said thieves are less dominant in WvW + "they have the safest roaming disengage when things go bad" is all I need to read. A good mesmer vs a thief in the same skill cap mesmers should never win. In terms of reapers thieves cc locking + kite reapers / necros really dont have much left for them as they have NO access to stab besides elite + reaper 3. The point of it wasn't to complain about thieves, for once mesmers don't get the oh they need a nerf and now going on thieves yet thief mains are defending how much they need buffs etc etc saying they arent that good blah blah blah. Honestly finding it to be hilarious.

Id hope they would probably fix the game at it's current state rather then pumping new content and finding more complications along the way more dire in SPvP and WvW game modes.

No for a very simple reason. Too many mesmer traits revolve and work around shatters if you are asking for a spec that does no shatter that means ALL those shatter related traits would have to have a 2nd effect specifically for a non shatter mesmer spec. With how they balanced mirage by removing a dodge rather then going another route I doubt they will decide to do this. Mirage esp condi mirage is a class that is played more passively having as much clone uptime as possible and only shattering when needed in comparison to Chronos that require to shatter as much as possible to get more alacrity for CD reductions.

> > And if you don't know what the skills do, their relative strength, usefulness, etc., why the hell are you complaining about a class being OP if you don't know how it works at all? Mesmer says hi, as well as mesmers say suck it up. Thieves are extremely dominant in WvW and as far as spvp goes with thieves being replaced by mesmers simply is not true.

Honestly the problem with thieves is SA trait everything else is neglectable if SA trait was nerfed. SA gives incredible amount of sustain to thieves so i don't know why thief mains are saying they don't. Thing with thieves is the ability to reset a fight and reengage right away with no CD aside from utilities which in most cases are not an issue because yes shortbow 5 cannot be spammed anymore but its still one of the best disengage tools in the game.

> @"Fueki.4753" said: > If it gets its dodge back in PvP, what's going to be the new trade off? > The Mesmers receive damage each time one of their illusions is killed? i dunno if this comment was serious or not but i dont see any other classes getting tradeoff for a revert on a MECHANICAL nerf. I think the whole history of balance patches for mesmer is a big enough tradeoff.

> @"Junkpile.7439" said: > Mirages seems to survive ok with one dodge. Some classes survive much worse with 2 dodges. it is not the class tht is the issue it is the player dont make this about other classes and think 1 dodge mirage is ok

no u will not it will disable any legendary aura or effects if u skin the legendary. u will however keep the function of changing stats and removing upgrades. u couldve easily tested this out without any issues.

sigh new games r coming out with high hopes and promises even WoW looks more tempting to go back at this point and tht is saying how poor the state of pvp/wvw is.

> @"Veprovina.4876" said: > Well, all mesmers have Blink, Illusionary leap (sword 3), Diversion, Magic Bullet and Into the Void, but in addition to that Mirage has Axes of Symmetry, Mirage Advance and Jaunt on top of that. If a Mirage wants to chase you, they will and it's hard to get away. That part of your statement is not quite right... > Blink is a 30 sec stunbreak, so are you really able to catch up to people with people being able to leap on weapon skills that have much shorter cd? Illusionary leap, i am pretty sure or perhaps it might just be me but condi mirage does not use sword because it does nothing to offer dmg. Even if sword is being played tht skill is buggy since day 1. Diversion is not a catch up mechanic and it only dazes not stun meaning u r still able to move freely from it. Playing a condi mirage shattering clones is dps loss. Magic Bullet is pistol off hand which im not sure how many full on tb condi mirages use this weapon as offhand but regardless it is a 25 sec CD tht can be stun broken. Into the Void is a focus pull again I dont know what condi mirage build uses focus offhand because it offers literally nothing. Axes of symmetry is a mid to close range skill u will have to be close enough for it to do anything. Mirage Advance is a cast blink i dont know why anyone would even choose this skill to use. what are you replacing decoy? signet of midnight? blink even??? or perhaps illusionary ambush?? Using Jaunt to catch up with a range of 450 is a joke and a total waste. Again you fail to comprehend what i mean by sticking to your target and being able to chase. Most of the things you listed have high CD or Utilities tht r not used or is a incredible waste trying to catch someone. Most classes tht can stick to u have shorter cd on leaps / dashes and many times they r only weapon skills NOT utilities.

Again i probably posted this same comment thousands of times, condi mirage is ineffective if you decide to just ignore it and run away. They have no chase or engage potential for them to pin you down. Any class running trailblazers condi will be more destructive then a condi mirage to name a few, necro, thieves, and revs. looking at the recent patch notes it would seem the devs no longer have the interest to balance their game which is funny because they had promised more frequent ones. Other games have been doing constant updates yet this game is not is a clear indication on the status of the game.

From the looks of today's lackluster patch notes it would seem this project is no longer in the works with them trying to push out canthia and whatever cash grab they can release.