Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since he isnt using shortbow, actually he has fewer tools to escape death than other burst specs do. They *do* have that luxury. Calling thief a burst spec right now is also pretty generous, Id call it a gnat. That being said, since Shortbow 5 is literally the only reason thief is any good, playing without it is just shooting yourself in the foot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dash and Heartseeker also gives mobility . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We didn't have Dash in Vanilia , and we still where king of obility > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we still had shortbow 5. Dash and Heartseeker both are completely insufficient. Holosmith already has better mobility than those 2. So uh, yeah, your complete lack of thief knowledge is showing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And now we have Dash+ Shortbow to even more mobility . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but Dash, while nice, is not neccessary. Thats why core thief was the best recently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can already use Dash and change the shortbow to something else . In vanilia you only had it , because it was the only option to run away . Now its not true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot run away with Dash. You cannot use dash as a substitute for shortbow. As I said, Dash is already outperformed by *Holosmith*, and Holosmith isnt even high on the mobility list. Shortbow 5 was the only option to run away in Vanilla. It still however is the only option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just ask for some tip , you dont have to be stubborn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im not stubborn. If I ask for tips, I would from a good thief. Why would I ask tips from you? All that would do is make me a *much* worse thief. If I played thief, anyway. You also still havent explained why, if in-combat stealth is so good, sindrener never uses it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are talking about metabuild. If we are going to the route or comparing Core builds , then enginners cannot benefit from the Holo Proffesion and thus invalidates your argument . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is that until recently, the meta build *was* core. Because Dash, while nice, is not essential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dash+Heartseeker can outrun a 2 sec 600 yard leap Holo . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You evidently have no clue, as usual. No, they cannot. Holo Leap and Dash have the same cast time and both lead to permaswiftness. But Holo leap gets you 33% further. Cooldown wise, holo leap is about on par with the entire combined might of Dash and Heartseeker. Its much better at long distances. At short ones, not so much, but Dash and Heartseeker are bad at those. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People had used the Daredevil spec 8-9 motnsh after its release for various amount of spec , such as PI-headshot / Stuff/Stuff / and up until this point Dearedevil D/P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only PI Headshot. Staff was not relevant until a gimmick build last year. But yes, people used Daredevil. I didnt say it wasnt good. Just that it was not requiired. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leap effects dont benefit from movement abilities or Slows . Just ask me rather be stuborn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What the hell are you talking about? That has nothing to do with the fact that without shortbow 5, thiefs mobility is lacking. And outclassed by even holosmith. And noone should ask you for advice, unless they want advice on how to become a much worse thief player. You still havent answered why, if in-combat stealth is good, Sindrener doesnt use it. Dont forget to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuff was was usedin the past , thats why is heavily nerfed also in the pvp section . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its *Staff*. And no, it wasnt used in the past at all. Thats why, for the entirety of HoT, it never got a single nerf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You where the one to say that they can leap for more . Implying that leap benefits from the swiftness . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dash moves 450 in 0.75 seconds. Holo Leap moves *600* in 0.75 seconds. 600 > 450. God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i said Dash+Heartseeker is your friend , you dont need the Shortbow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You absolutely do, because Dash and Heartseeker isnt even remotely fast enough. But you would know that, had you ever played thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You havent asked my question where Sing+ Tokier have said that new thieves should not use in-combat stealth ...i wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told you I retracted that statement. So lets talk about your contradiction. You say that in-combat stealth is good, and high tier thieves use it. Yet Sindrener never uses it. Why? And let explain to you why you need to answer this. See, if you dont have an explanation, we do the usual thing when we get a statement with a contradiction. We assume one of the assumptions is incorrect. Since Sindrenever never using in-combat stealth is easily verifiable fact, that means there is only one assumption that could be incorrect. That being "in-combat stealth is good, and high tier thieves use it". So if you dont answer, we have to assume that that assumption is incorrect. Therefore you implicitely admit that you were wrong. Easy, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W> @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"GeneralFailure.3402" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Supreme.3164" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leonidrex.5649" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"AldKai.9712" if you managed to die as FRESH thief with all coldown then its l2p issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em!%22 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6s reveal, 2k range. That revealed you, all you had to do is sb5, and laugh at them, if they follow steal to one of them and sb5 again, if they follow shadowstep and keep laughting, they follow again shadowstep again and sb5 again, keep up the laughting and jumping to make sure to tilt them, WHOOPS revel is gone, later nerds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About knockdown, shadowstep removes CC, it does it twice, any reason you didnt do it ? Other then to make this post ofc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, a l2p issue. Sure. Your post is literally full of stupid assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I mentionned already (but you didn't read that) I am, shocker shocker,a thief that does NOT use your kitten shortbow. No sir! And my shadowstep is on CD because I used it to reach close fast. But I bet you're some master thief, just LAUGHING your kitten off at players that can't even run after you! They just took your points and they're laughing at you back, but hey, at least you can come here and calling others noobs for not playing with your copy-paste metabattle shortbow build. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just l2p! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If you had shortbow and they sent 3 people to your close, you could have zipped out of there and snowball rest of the map..then gone back and reclaimed your close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Playing a thief without shortbow in PvP..it's like playing an ele with staff or a ranger without GS...don't blame the game for your lack of wisdow, every class must be played to its strength..not some lore background > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) If you don't to play +1 decapper/burst then play something that suits your style > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are literally a troll. Play thief, don't talk to me until you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is right, you know. If I see two or more enemies approaching cap I am standing on I am noping out of there with my short bow like there is no tomorrow. While I am noping out I try to +1 my team on mid or where ever it is needed. Then I come back to from where I was chased out and it is usually unguarded. If there is only one I am more often then not able to hold my ground with the help of my fellow thieves (guild of thieves). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly and that's where thiefs strengths lie. Other classes cant just leave relatively safely like thief when being approached by to other opponents and are usually 1v2 while trying to escape and destroyed lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This would be the best play even if thorf had a better burst potential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what find is the issue is if thief as a decapper/+1 burst class if ur +1ing with ur teammate and with both attacking the opponent it still takes a long time to down that opponent that should ring some bells toward either the sustain of the opponents or the burst potential of the class +1ing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not saying thief needs a burst buff just that something needs to be looked at if those scenarios are occurring frequently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they can't escape then they need enough sustain to wait for reinforcements , you are right saying that the wait aka time to kill cannot be too long for balance reasons obviously but that doesn't change the fact that sustain is necessary for some classes to counterbalance their inability to escape safely as a thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a spec invested in sustain then it should survive for enough time, say...40s...if now it's 1m+ then we need to reduce the sustain of such specs to reasonable levels and lower the kill time to 40s from 1m+, I hope thieves are not asking to lower the kill time to 0s like insta kill the +1 player even if he has full CD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh I dunno, **we** certainly get instakilled. Why only us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **You** certainly get insta killed because your build lacks any means of escape, otherwise there is no way to insta kill a thief right now unless you play a "kill or die" spec and thief is afk or with no CD left to spare, either way if you play a burst spec with a zerker/marauder at 0 toughness you can expect always to live far less than somebody who specced in defense with a toughness amulet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong assumption as usual. I play Marauder and most of my utilities are stealth / stunbreak / escapes. Just play thief already holy kitten. Play thief and stop trying to pretend you know anything about the class when you **don't** play thief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you have all the tools to escape death on thief while using a burst spec...a luxury other professions don't have and that will be all from me to you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as a higher sustain class u can last far longer in situations where a thief would disengage from so ur point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are u expecting tanks to disengage like thieves or thieves to not be able to disengage and be low sustain or u want thiefs to be high sustain and not need to disengage which isn't very rogue like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other professions that don't invest in sustain and try to play like a thief instead, will live a far shorter time compared to a thief in the same role..that's all I am saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. They would still live a much longer time. Higher base stats, and higher defenses you happen to have anyway. Hell just take Spellbreaker, or as I like to call it, "Fat Thief". Even when it doesnt invest in sustain, it still will live much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mention spellbreaker but that's a sustain line sort of, I was comparing a profession using a DPS spec to a thief, in warrior case it would be Berseker which yes would live far less than a thief in the same role, while using dps lines like strength , discipline and Berseker. I have said that a profession trying to play like thief while using dps lines and amulet..would not live as long, not forgetting that you won't be able to relocate just as fast if at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spellbreaker is not a sustain line at all. It has no sustain. Its a DPS and Boonrip line. It also feels like thief, hence fat thief. But sure, lets go Berserker. That one too, lives much longer than thief does. Even if they go full offense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's no try to play down the obvious strengths of the thief class, everybody including you is well aware of them, yes they are glaring disparities at the moment but credit is due where is due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, the obvious strength thief has is mobility. But thats it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief has also , the element of the first strike . Thats dealt 2/3 of the target hp and then toy him with Daze . > > > > > > > > > > > > Or re-stealth and do that again or run away > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really need to stop talking about thief, the more you do, the more clear it becomes to everyone you dont know thief at all. You dont even do 1/2 of a targets HP out of stealth. You will struggle to even do 1/3. 1/4, maybe. Good thieves still dont restealth mid-combat. They will run away. You still havent answered why if in-combat stealth is so good, Sindrener never uses it. Dont forget to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You did chunk 2/3 of the oponnents health before the february patch. > > > > > > > > > > And you still havent answered my question : In which Thread or Stream Tokier+Sind told the new players : dont use stealth in-combat'' ? > > > > > > > > > > Or otherwise if you wild immagination , doing your thing ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You didnt. You did at most 1/3. Again, dont talk about a class you dont know at all. And just to shut you up. Lets assume they didnt say that. They did, but I cant be bothered to find evidence you ignore anyway. You still have yet to explain the critical contradiction that makes your entire argument fall apart. If in-combat stealth is so good, then Sindrener would use it. He is a top tier thief playing at the highest level. Yet, he doesnt. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before theFebruary patch , they did only 1/3 ? I am sorry , but you are wrong here , as always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. Your Backstab usually hit for 7k or so, often less. Since everyone ran Marauder, your targets usually had 21+k health. 21/7=0.333333 or 1/3. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heartseeker+Dash = 900 vs 600 of Holo > > > > > > > > > > And 1.5 second cast time vs 0.75. Still less distance traveled per second. With a longer cooldown in the end. > > > > > > > > > > > And why we dont see holo be used as a fast +1 ? Maybe because their job is to defend a place ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Holo Leap isnt good enough. Its much better than a thief without shortbow 5, but thats not nearly enough. You need more mobility for a fast +1. Thats also why thief without shortbow doesnt work. > > > > > > > > > > > People on the tournament have used stealth . Vallun have used to to escape with dash from some tricky situations . Even people using the Shadow Embrace trait in the metabattle , implies that thief dont use for dispel only 1x condition when they cast the 20 sec heal . It has many more uses , when they stealth more > > > > > > > > > > Youre dodging the question. Let me repeat it. "You say that in-combat stealth is good, and high tier thieves use it. Yet Sindrener never uses it. Why?". Answer the question. > > > > > > > > Heartseeker + Dash > 900 yards 1,5 sec . In 10 sec you will have traveled 9.000 yards > > > > Holo 600 yards> wait 2 sec . He would have traveled 3.000 yards in 10 sec > > > > > > > > > > Nice theory. Only problem is you wont be able to heartseeker + dash every 1.5 seconds. They too have a cooldown, you know? You also forget that the Engineer can still *walk*. Try adding both of those things into your shoddy math. You will find something peculiar. > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > Already retracted the statement. You continue to dodge the question. Let me repeat it. "You say that in-combat stealth is good, and high tier thieves use it. Yet Sindrener never uses it. Why?". Answer the question. I already explained to you why failure to answer the question makes your entire argument fall apart and proves that in-combat stealth is in fact bad. So dont disappoint. > > > > I calcualated the walk path (just refresh it) 9.000 vs 7000 yards in 15 sec . > > Still those 2x spell will outclass the Holo Leap , so the theory of that thief is in dire need of the shortbow , is debunked > > > > You forgot to calculate the fact that Dash and Heartseeker have cooldowns. Back to the drawing board with you, do the math properly this time. > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > Which part of "that statement was retracted" do you not understand? You still continue to dodge the question. Let me repeat it. "You say that in-combat stealth is good, and high tier thieves use it. Yet Sindrener never uses it. Why?". Answer the question. Oh and since this is getting tiresome and repetitive, this is your last chance. If you fail to answer the question this time, I am forced to assume you have no answer. Meaning, as explained, we resolve the contradiction the way we resolve any contradictions, by figuring out which assumption is incorrect. There is only one assumption here, namely "in-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it", so that will be deemed incorrect. You will admit that you were wrong. Got it? Good, then go ahead, answer the question. When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument I saw people use stealth on the tournaments Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I think a fair amount of participants here don't play thief, don't know thief, let alone play PvP. I would offer to stream my gameplay so you can actually see what a PvP match looks like but based on the amount of people I have to block each game I'm afraid that it would just result in me being harassed. So show me you got balls, make a core thief, go fight in a ranked match, and show us that 'thief is fine'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck.  > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument >  And that argument is wrong, see above. > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. Â You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces)Â I saw people use stealth on the tournaments Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren.1064 Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? I'm not exactly sure what you two are talking about, but he may be alluding to the fact that thieves really dont have any stealth or initiative to waste and so if they put everything on CD just going to a point, then they're completely screwed when they're confronted by somebody and have no: damage, stealth, or initiative (best stealth takes initiative mostly) to get out of said situation. So thieves should actually use stealth as frugal as possible so they are able to do something when the time is right.  Remember: Most initiative isn't used for offensive reasons by thieves, but rather for defensive reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"darren.1064" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > I'm not exactly sure what you two are talking about, but he may be alluding to the fact that thieves really dont have any stealth or initiative to waste and so if they put everything on CD just going to a point, then they're completely screwed when they're confronted by somebody and have no: damage, stealth, or initiative (best stealth takes initiative mostly) to get out of said situation. So thieves should actually use stealth as frugal as possible so they are able to do something when the time is right. > > Remember: Most initiative isn't used for offensive reasons by thieves, but rather for defensive reasons. Â If he uses 2x Inflatrator arrows, he would waste 12 resources , and he cannot no longer attack If he uses 3x Dash+Heartseeker , he would waste 6 (after some are restored) and have 6 to attack . We are kinda in an argument if Shortbow , is a MUST on not , now that Dash exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Go play core thief record footage or get off the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren.1064 Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"darren.1064" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > I'm not exactly sure what you two are talking about, but he may be alluding to the fact that thieves really dont have any stealth or initiative to waste and so if they put everything on CD just going to a point, then they're completely screwed when they're confronted by somebody and have no: damage, stealth, or initiative (best stealth takes initiative mostly) to get out of said situation. So thieves should actually use stealth as frugal as possible so they are able to do something when the time is right. > > > > Remember: Most initiative isn't used for offensive reasons by thieves, but rather for defensive reasons. > > If he uses 2x Inflatrator arrows, he would waste 12 resources , and he cannot no longer attack > If he uses 3x Dash+Heartseeker , he would waste 6 (after some are restored) and have 6 to attack . > We are kinda in an argument if Shortbow , is a MUST on not , now that Dash exist  ... what's a thief supposed to do with 6 initiative in any weapon set? Die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6  You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) >  You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower.  > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments You didnt. > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid  In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > You didnt. > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases .  People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > You didnt. > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . >  .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge.  We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Ahem. So, I stealth in combat, a lot, in fact that's half my playstyle. The thing is that I will still die because stealth attacks are ridiculously impotent while I still take damage from all sources and can get revealed by half the classes. All it lets me do is reposition, cast basilisk venom and avoid being shot directly at for a small duration of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. > > We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . > Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . >  You are saying that. But thats completely wrong. Shortbow is mandatory. Thats why every single thief uses it. Heartseeker + Dash is much too slow.  > People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth  They didnt. This is the same lie you keep repeating over and over, hoping that it makes you less wrong. It doesnt. So please. Stop lying. > Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . Irrelevant. If in-combat stealth was good, he would use it. He doesnt use it, so its not good. End of story.  > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Im going to assume youre either a troll, or you revel in your ignorance. Either way, I think were done here. Youre wrong, I have proven that youre wrong, and all youre doing is embarassing yourself by making more and more stupid arguments. So begone. Dont waste everyones time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"AldKai.9712" said: > Ahem. So, I stealth in combat, a lot, in fact that's half my playstyle. The thing is that I will still die because stealth attacks are ridiculously impotent while I still take damage from all sources and can get revealed by half the classes. All it lets me do is reposition, cast basilisk venom and avoid being shot directly at for a small duration of time. You shouldnt, youre just letting the enemy get free damage on you. If youre forced to stay in a fight, use either shadowshot or swap to shortbow and start throwing cluster bombs on them. Occasionally Choking Gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > > > > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > > > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > > > > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. > > > > We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . > > Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . > > > > You are saying that. But thats completely wrong. Shortbow is mandatory. Thats why every single thief uses it. Heartseeker + Dash is much too slow. > > > People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth > > They didnt. This is the same lie you keep repeating over and over, hoping that it makes you less wrong. It doesnt. So please. Stop lying. > > > Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . > > Irrelevant. If in-combat stealth was good, he would use it. He doesnt use it, so its not good. End of story. > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > Im going to assume youre either a troll, or you revel in your ignorance. Either way, I think were done here. Youre wrong, I have proven that youre wrong, and all youre doing is embarassing yourself by making more and more stupid arguments. So begone. Dont waste everyones time. Heartseeker +Dash can outrun any opponent and leave you with resources to counterattack . While 2x Iflitrators arrows cant . Your initial post , is that the Shortbow is needed for mobility and many thieves would cry if they take it away . I am arguing with you that is an alternate way of mobility and pros are using it   I have seen other people stelthing mid-combat just fine . Sind dont stealth because it might eats too many resources Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > > > > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > > > > > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > > > > > > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. > > > > > > We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . > > > Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . > > > > > > > You are saying that. But thats completely wrong. Shortbow is mandatory. Thats why every single thief uses it. Heartseeker + Dash is much too slow. > > > > > People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth > > > > They didnt. This is the same lie you keep repeating over and over, hoping that it makes you less wrong. It doesnt. So please. Stop lying. > > > > > Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . > > > > Irrelevant. If in-combat stealth was good, he would use it. He doesnt use it, so its not good. End of story. > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > Im going to assume youre either a troll, or you revel in your ignorance. Either way, I think were done here. Youre wrong, I have proven that youre wrong, and all youre doing is embarassing yourself by making more and more stupid arguments. So begone. Dont waste everyones time. > > Heartseeker +Dash can outrun any opponent and leave you with resources to counterattack . While 2x Iflitrators arrows cant . It cant outrun almost any opponent. It cant outrun Holo. It cant outrun Mirage. It cant outrun Warrior. It cant outrun Revenant. Not Guardian, not Ele, not Ranger. It can only outrun Necro, maybe. > Your initial post , is that the Shortbow is needed for mobility and many thieves would cry if they take it away . > I am arguing with you that is an alternate way of mobility . >  Shortbow is needed to have the mobility edge that allows thief to be viable. If shortbow was gone and thief only had your alternative, thief would be unplayable. > I have seen other people stelthing mid-combat just fine . Sind dont stealth because it might eats too many resources  You have only seen bad players stealth mid-combat. You have not seen good players do it. Sind doesnt do it for the same reason all good thieves dont do it. Its bad. Really bad. I will not repeat myself again. Your lies are ineffective. Cease wasting everyones time. > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? I have. RETRACTED. That statement. I knew I wasnt going to waste dozens of hours trying to find it. Just for you to ignore it like all the other evidence you have. It would be a waste. You are the worst kind of person. Someone who is wrong, but unwilling to ever admit it. Someone who will spin an ever-increasing web of lies instead of accepting the truth. You are wasting my patience, and everyones time. Go away. *Never* return. Be a clueless fool elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I can't help but notice you are talking about Daredevil every time like this is the only thief that ever exists. It is not. It's the only thief people are running, however. But on that same note let me tell you that I eat these meta slaves with shortbows for breakfast and dinner. They are useless. They are bad. It doesn't matter how far they run because running is all they can ever do, but I can do killing. 1. They suck. I'm not sorry to call them out. All they ever did was copy-paste the full mobility shortbow build from metabattle, never got into a fight, and only ever cap points. They die in every fight because they never learnt to actually fight. 2. Their build is meant for the GW2 equivalent of fetching people drinks. It's useless in a fight. 3. Their shortbow sucks balls in a fight. It will lose to P/P any day, because P/P actually does damage and has a daze, for what it's worth. 4. They run Daredevil and not core thief because Daredevil is the only Thief spec with any sort of sustain, which comes in a package of obnoxious permadodges and passive defenses. The moment they encounter a player with a build that won't take their shit they fall flat on their face. Theirs has no flexibility whatsoever, mine can be adapted to several situations at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > > > > > > > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > > > > > > > > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. > > > > > > > > We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . > > > > Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . > > > > > > > > > > You are saying that. But thats completely wrong. Shortbow is mandatory. Thats why every single thief uses it. Heartseeker + Dash is much too slow. > > > > > > > People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth > > > > > > They didnt. This is the same lie you keep repeating over and over, hoping that it makes you less wrong. It doesnt. So please. Stop lying. > > > > > > > Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . > > > > > > Irrelevant. If in-combat stealth was good, he would use it. He doesnt use it, so its not good. End of story. > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > Im going to assume youre either a troll, or you revel in your ignorance. Either way, I think were done here. Youre wrong, I have proven that youre wrong, and all youre doing is embarassing yourself by making more and more stupid arguments. So begone. Dont waste everyones time. > > > > Heartseeker +Dash can outrun any opponent and leave you with resources to counterattack . While 2x Iflitrators arrows cant . > > It cant outrun almost any opponent. It cant outrun Holo. It cant outrun Mirage. It cant outrun Warrior. It cant outrun Revenant. Not Guardian, not Ele, not Ranger. It can only outrun Necro, maybe. > > > Your initial post , is that the Shortbow is needed for mobility and many thieves would cry if they take it away . > > I am arguing with you that is an alternate way of mobility . > > > > Shortbow is needed to have the mobility edge that allows thief to be viable. If shortbow was gone and thief only had your alternative, thief would be unplayable. > > > I have seen other people stelthing mid-combat just fine . Sind dont stealth because it might eats too many resources > > You have only seen bad players stealth mid-combat. You have not seen good players do it. Sind doesnt do it for the same reason all good thieves dont do it. Its bad. Really bad. I will not repeat myself again. Your lies are ineffective. Cease wasting everyones time. > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > I have. RETRACTED. That statement. I knew I wasnt going to waste dozens of hours trying to find it. Just for you to ignore it like all the other evidence you have. It would be a waste. You are the worst kind of person. Someone who is wrong, but unwilling to ever admit it. Someone who will spin an ever-increasing web of lies instead of accepting the truth. You are wasting my patience, and everyones time. Go away. *Never* return. Be a clueless fool elsewhere. I am sorry you cant outrun a centaur . Maybe should i propose to you some Thief guiide , or are you in need of assistance in game ? I would gladly eager to help you . Shortbow is not need to be removed . You simply have an alternate combo for mobility , that demonstrated to you and free up the second weapon slot for P/P or S/D for example ? I have see too bad players and pro use mid-combat stealth . I wonder where you have heard that people should not use stealth . It was Sind ? Tokier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I just took 22k confusion damage to a downed mesmer. I'm sorry I tried using my skills Anet. I won't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Captain Kuro.8937" said: > > > > > > > > > > > When you do Dash/or Heartseeker (loked in that 1,5 sec animation) you still regain resources + endurance . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not enough to keep it up for 15 seconds. Dash rans out after 3 dashes, and you dont regain one for 10 seconds. Heartseeker-wise, you run out of initiative after 7 heartseekers, at 6 seconds. Then you heartseeker once every 3 seconds. So total distance traveled is an average of 900/1.5 seconds for the first 6 seconds, then 2.25\*400 + 0.75 \*450 every 3 seconds, for lets say 9 seconds. Total distance: 3600 + 3712 = 7312. In 16 seconds. Comparision: Holo has a consistent 1.25\*400 + 0.75\*600 every 2 seconds, for a total of 8 times. Thats 7600. Faster, Im afraid. Oh and any more travel time makes the distance worse. Oh and it gets even worse, because Holo has other movement skills and tools they can use, like Radiant Arc. And Quickness which benefits you. The distance widens. And thats just Holo, which isnt exactly high on the mobility list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You only need 3x Dash/or Heartseeker combo , to travel from Mid to Far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, on no map is that the case. I will also let you in on a little dark secret of sPvP. Its called "inclines". Have you ever tried moving from mid to far on Legacy using dashes, vs using shortbow? Its so much slower. Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So thiefs MUST have shortbow to escape or for mobility , is not correct , thats my argument > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that argument is wrong, see above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations, you failed to answer the question. As such, we will now procceed with eliminating the contradiction. Well, Sindrener not using in-combat stealth is easily verified. It is true. So, only one assumption remains. "In-combat stealth is good and high tier thieves use it". Since its the only one left, it has to be wrong. Ergo, in-combat stealth is bad and high tier thieves (such as Sindrener) do not use it. Proof through contradiction. Q.E.D. Nice, thats finished then. Please do not ever try to say that its good, you have already been proven wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you really dont understand what "retract a statement" means, do you? I already said that that statement is wrong, if it pleases you. Its not really important, after all. I can already prove you wrong through the contradiction, and the question you refuse to answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You dont need 15 sec to cover 2 bases , you need 6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do. Well, if you want to use something as slow as Heartseeker and Dash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument is that Thiefs needshortbow , which i have shown you they don't . Doing 2 Infritrators arrows ,12 resources , for 1800 range , while 3x Hertsseker+Dash can cover 2700 distance + cost 6resources . (if you arelockedin those animation and restorre resouces) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not shown anything. Well other than critical lack of knowledge about thief. This just further proves. Here is the difference. 2 Infiltrators Arrows take less than a second. 3 times heartseeker + dash takes *over 4 seconds*. Its so much slower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw people use stealth on the tournaments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You didnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your initial argument that people dont use steal , is not valid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In-combat stealth. And its not just valid, I have already *proven* it. Proof by contradiction. So please, refrain from repeating the debunked lie that people use in-combat stealth, yes? Its getting annoying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The. Statement. Was. Retracted. You wont get it. And you are already proving my point as to why. Even after I have proven you wrong, and shown that your assumption that in-combat stealth is good to be worthless garbage, even in the face of overwhelming evidence you continue to repeat it. No evidence will sway you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3x Heartseeker+ Dash takes 1,5 sec . In the long run , the cost is halfed than using 2x Iflitrators arrows , covering most distance and allows you to have 6 resources to spent toward attack .Avoiding the situation that you must wait 12 sec to restore resources and then attack the side bases . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... I keep getting surprised by how little you know about thief and how big you talk regardless. Heartseeker has a 0.75 cast time. Dash does too. So its 1.5 \* 3. Or 4.5. In the long run you move much, **much** slower. Thats why shortbow is mandatory and your "replacement" doesnt work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > People have used in-mid-side-combat stealth . In high and low elo they do stealth . Who told you that they dont ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sindrener doesnt ever use it. Proof by contradiction. They do not stealth in high elo. Not Sindrener, not Vallun, not any of the other ones. Please, learn to accept that you were proven wrong, and that you have no clue about thief and should never talk about it. And now, please do a favour to everyone here, and stop replying. Youre just embarassing yourself and wasting our time. Just to get it through to you. Do. NOT. Reply. Go waste someones elses time with your lack of thief knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > We are talking that shortbow is not mandatory , now that dash exist . You can use the Heartseeker + Dash combo for an alternate mobility skill . > > > > > Core thief is the one that need the Shortbow . Dont comfuse things . > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are saying that. But thats completely wrong. Shortbow is mandatory. Thats why every single thief uses it. Heartseeker + Dash is much too slow. > > > > > > > > > People in the tournament + Vallun had used combat stealth > > > > > > > > They didnt. This is the same lie you keep repeating over and over, hoping that it makes you less wrong. It doesnt. So please. Stop lying. > > > > > > > > > Sind didnt use the Condition P/D spec and here it won the tournament . > > > > > > > > Irrelevant. If in-combat stealth was good, he would use it. He doesnt use it, so its not good. End of story. > > > > > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > > > > > Im going to assume youre either a troll, or you revel in your ignorance. Either way, I think were done here. Youre wrong, I have proven that youre wrong, and all youre doing is embarassing yourself by making more and more stupid arguments. So begone. Dont waste everyones time. > > > > > > Heartseeker +Dash can outrun any opponent and leave you with resources to counterattack . While 2x Iflitrators arrows cant . > > > > It cant outrun almost any opponent. It cant outrun Holo. It cant outrun Mirage. It cant outrun Warrior. It cant outrun Revenant. Not Guardian, not Ele, not Ranger. It can only outrun Necro, maybe. > > > > > Your initial post , is that the Shortbow is needed for mobility and many thieves would cry if they take it away . > > > I am arguing with you that is an alternate way of mobility . > > > > > > > Shortbow is needed to have the mobility edge that allows thief to be viable. If shortbow was gone and thief only had your alternative, thief would be unplayable. > > > > > I have seen other people stelthing mid-combat just fine . Sind dont stealth because it might eats too many resources > > > > You have only seen bad players stealth mid-combat. You have not seen good players do it. Sind doesnt do it for the same reason all good thieves dont do it. Its bad. Really bad. I will not repeat myself again. Your lies are ineffective. Cease wasting everyones time. > > > > > Could you show me thread or video where Tokier+ Sind , said to the new thieves that they shouldn't use stealth , please ? > > > > I have. RETRACTED. That statement. I knew I wasnt going to waste dozens of hours trying to find it. Just for you to ignore it like all the other evidence you have. It would be a waste. You are the worst kind of person. Someone who is wrong, but unwilling to ever admit it. Someone who will spin an ever-increasing web of lies instead of accepting the truth. You are wasting my patience, and everyones time. Go away. *Never* return. Be a clueless fool elsewhere. > > I am sorry you cant outrun a centaur . Maybe should i propose to you some Thief guiide , or are you in need of assistance in game ? I would gladly eager to help you . The only help you can give is "how to become the worst thief player in the world". Go away.  > Shortbow is not need to be removed . You simply have an alternate combo for mobility , that demonstrated to you and free up the second weapon slot for P/P or S/D for example ? >  Why do you think no thief does it? Because your "alternative combo" is much, _**MUCH**_ worse, and would make thief unviable. > I have see too bad players and pro use mid-combat stealth . I wonder where you have heard that people should not use stealth . You have not seen pros use mid-combat stealth. Thats a lie. And every single good thief will tell you that. Its common knowledge. But Im not gonna bother proving that to you. You _**HATE**_ the truth. You love the lie. You just waste everyones time. Go away. I will not repeat myself, just go away, and leave the people who know that youre just a troll alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AldKai.9712 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 'PP/ Shortbow' has to be the funniest joke I've heard this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 All these people crying because thief isn't a godtier 1v1 class are playing the wrong class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren.1064 Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 > @"witcher.3197" said: > All these people crying because thief isn't a godtier 1v1 class are playing the wrong class. Did I ask to be a god tier 1v1er in my post? No I simply stated what thief was and what thief has become. I just want damage back and the ability to actually fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 'GW2 - THIEF WvW & PvP MONTAGE 'UNTOUCHABLE' 'Â 'Some of these clips are quite old, but I like that it pretty much touches on every thief build for the past 6 months or so.'Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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