Jinroh.4251 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Were they made stronger? I know the Candy Corn Viscount you stand in the syrup, he becomes easy. I know the Skeleton with the Chainsaw has always been hard. So yeah no complaints with those two. A group of us went to go do the Legendary Skeletal Lich, it just kept downing people like they were flies. I don't remember that one being that crazy last year. Someone said we needed boon stripping to beat him, was doing fine on my thief but ultimately he just whomped us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Lich was nerfed heavily either last year or year before. This year he is a bit tougher, but I expect that is just a re-balance to bring him in line with current mobs in LS3/PoF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauderi.8706 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Actually, sounds about right. :skull: Most people skipped Lich, partially because large groups wouldn't bring enough boon clearing and everyone would die to retaliation and mass numbers of mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think it's probably just that relatively few people know/remember how to fight him. I did all 3 bosses earlier today and in my group a lot of people were getting downed during the Candy Corn boss fight too. I did explain about standing in the candy pools to be immune to the ranged attack, in both say and map chat but I know not everyone reads it (especially during a fight) and they may well not know English. (And I'm way too tired to attempt to explain in French or German and wouldn't know where to start with Spanish.) I'm expecting it to get 'easier' as the festival goes on and people learn what to do, but also expecting some groups to declare it 'inefficient' and demand that everyone skips it like last year. To be honest I've never fully understood the Lich fight, but thankfully the entire group doesn't need to understand it. I know it helps to push him back into the little house where the chest spawns (but not why), and that reflects help block some of his attacks, but that's it. Again I expect it to get easier as more people learn the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix.5819 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The lich was changed last year to spawn less adds, whereas previously it could continue infinitely. They then buffed all of them to compensate for players dealing higher damage overall due to HoT. The lich has always been overpowered due to its numerous adds having relation, which can instantly kill you if you're using AoEs. If there's enough AoE however, you can kill the adds in the few seconds before they gain retaliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PookieDaWombat.6209 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 With PoF specs, Lich should be way easier since at least two of those classes has TONS of boon strip and negation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinroh.4251 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 So managed to do the Lich again. This time with a smaller group we managed to get him down and he was more reasonable. I guess he just eats larger groups. Now that you guys mention it, I do remember last year people wanting to skip his door a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasC.1056 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I was fighting the lich earlier with my scourge, and I couldn't strip its boon away... I may have been a little too far, but even with traited shades, and punishements, it didn't work. Has anyone got the same issue ? By the way, I don't know if they've been made stronger than last year, but I've been hit by 12500 up to 24000 dmg blows. That just shouldn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gudy.3607 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > By the way, I don't know if they've been made stronger than last year, but I've been hit by 12500 up to 24000 dmg blows. That just shouldn't exist. This. Both the Candy Corn Viscount (know when to get in and out of those puddles!) and the Labyrinthine Horror were about as expected, but I got repeatedly one-shot downed during the Lich fight. I'm almost 100% certain that those damage spikes didn't come from retaliation (which in previous years was what made the fight hard and which could quickly down you, but which generally didn't one-shot my grenade engineer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 This years we do have scourges!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esquilax.3491 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 The lich spawns adds with retal, if u AoE it's gonna frig u up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameepa.6793 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Viscount is going to end up being skipped again simply because he has way too much health so it takes ages to kill him. Other bosses feel just fine this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzChevalerie.1035 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > By the way, I don't know if they've been made stronger than last year, but I've been hit by 12500 up to 24000 dmg blows. That just shouldn't exist. Yeah I checked my log and saw those numbers too. And when I tried to find the skill the lich used on wiki to deal it, I couldn't find it as if it was a new addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarMTanaka.7291 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 My strategy has always been to blob upp close to Lich and then AoE, if everyone does this he will burn down and you will heal faster than retaliation kills you, alot faster. But last night we did him 3 times and the last time he started doing a black shock wave attack that one shotted more than half of our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrizzFreston.5290 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I don't think the lich changed. He always has been fairly random with downing squads. I cant imagine that if theres a few spellbreakers necros or mesmers tbat retal is much of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonstarmac.4603 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 > @Jinroh.4251 said: > Were they made stronger? I know the Candy Corn Viscount you stand in the syrup, he becomes easy. I know the Skeleton with the Chainsaw has always been hard. So yeah no complaints with those two. A group of us went to go do the Legendary Skeletal Lich, it just kept downing people like they were flies. I don't remember that one being that crazy last year. Someone said we needed boon stripping to beat him, was doing fine on my thief but ultimately he just whomped us all. Yeah that's just classic Lich. Condi is your friend. Stack it on and try not to hit his minions. The retaliation will be your undoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix.5819 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 > @moonstarmac.4603 said: > Stack it on and try not to hit his minions. The retaliation will be your undoing. The adds gain retaliation after like 3 seconds and can easily be killed before that as they spawn. Not AoEing initially is only going to make it harder. The bigger problem is the 1 shot (11k health) attack with a ~1s animation, which can be very hard to see when it's inside or hidden by the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseofGilead.8907 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Nothing seemed different when i was doing the bosses last night. Same old-same old, with ranged people getting knocked around by the Viscount, half the group getting downed every few seconds at Lich, and Steve having a jolly old time. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I just did all 3 bosses today in a single session, several times, and the people there had no issue with any of the bosses. Sure some people get downed, but you res them and keep attacking, CC when it's available, and dps again. Each boss was down in like 1-2 minutes, i wouldn't call that hard, and i've never seen any of them down every player. Around 5 players each strong attack or something, and they're back on their feet soon after... Are you sure you had enough people with you? You can't do this with a single party, you need a squad at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarktastic.1027 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 They definitely did something to change the lich. I used to be able to solo him pretty easily on most professions, since his autos did very little damage, and he only had two attacks that definitely needed evading. Tried again this year with a number of professions. His auto attacks hit much harder, he siphons more health, and his giant fear AoE is an instant down on some specs. None of the classes I tried could get his health below 99%, even with poison. Then he just beats out my sustain with his auto attacks, or I screw up a dodge and die. My reaper could tank him forever, but couldn't kill him either. PoF power creep has certainly made fighting him in a group much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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