Balsa.3951 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 unique downstate yes BUT please balance them it cant be that some are so strong that they can self rezz while being attacked or that they can almost one shot u thank u please take a look anet and maybe u see what u can balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroen.2086 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I agree. some downstates feel useless like revenant or elementalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 > @"Pyroen.2086" said: > I agree. some downstates feel useless like revenant or elementalist. I strongly disagree on this. Ele can downstate on the node to stall for extra time Rev's downstate is great for pushing stompers without stab / random players in team fights. Very satisfying on maps with elevation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aihao.5824 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 > @"Balsa.3951" said: > they can almost one shot u that's power sb i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Tier 1 Downstates Elementalist Thief Tier 2 Downstates Ranger Mesmer Tier 3 Downstates Guardian Engineer Tier 4 Downstates Warrior Revenant Garbage Tier Downstate Necro Warrior/rev are prolly a good baseline. Any downstates above those needs a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: >... necro and ranger downstate are worse than thief and ele. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutesySylveon.8290 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Thief has a terrible downstate, ele is great only because free mist form, mesmer is only good once you get the phantasm, revenant is annoying more than anything because of the push and slow, engi isn't anything special. Necro destroys health bars when downed and the fear lasts for like 3 seconds, rangers can get themselves up very easily with the pet even when being attacked, guardian is alright with the giant AoE knock back and fast revive with symbol if they are left alone, warrior can get up and yolo in hopes of a kill. Pretty big disparities between downstates, and some are only useful in WvW like ele since they can just Mist Form into structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saerni.2584 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Downed states overall actually aren’t all that good. Where they are somewhat effective: 1. Downed states with healing. 2. Downed states with heavy damage. 3. Downed states with both healing and damage. 4. Niche abilities that may tip the scales or be useless. Tier 1 (impactful, still not great imo): * Necro (moderate healing and damage) * Ranger (high healing) * Mesmer (high damage) Tier 2 (moderate impact, mechanics have counterplay) * Elementalist (invuln stomp denial/mobility) * Thief (stealth stomp denial, teleport x1) * Guardian (AoE knock back and healing) Tier 3 (low impact) * Warrior (knockdown, rally) * Revenant (knock back) * Engineer* (pull and knock back) *Scrapper has some tier 2 aspects here because I believe Function Gyro can be used in downed state. It doesn’t happen that often so I’m going to put it solidly in tier 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 A lot of downstates have BS sides to them depending on what you're playing. If you're running glass, thief, mesmer and necro can literally kill you while they are down. If you don't have access to stab stomping an engy isn't easy and if timed right a warrior can delay a stomp to vengeance. Ele, thief and ranger you have to stomp as they can easily get to the node or self rez if left. Rev can take someone out of the game entirely with the knockback into a wall but otherwise are only annoying with the slow. Everyone has a BS aspect to the downstate, closest to "fair" is guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 > @"lodjur.1284" said: > Tier 1 Downstates > > Elementalist > > Thief > > Tier 2 Downstates > > Ranger > > Mesmer > > Tier 3 Downstates > > Guardian > > Engineer > > Tier 4 Downstates > > Warrior > > Revenant > > Garbage Tier Downstate > > Necro lmao, is this some kind of meme I've missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 > @"Eugchriss.2046" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > >... > necro and ranger downstate are worse than thief and ele. LOL > > @"Sobx.1758" said: > > @"lodjur.1284" said: > > Tier 1 Downstates > > > > Elementalist > > > > Thief > > > > Tier 2 Downstates > > > > Ranger > > > > Mesmer > > > > Tier 3 Downstates > > > > Guardian > > > > Engineer > > > > Tier 4 Downstates > > > > Warrior > > > > Revenant > > > > Garbage Tier Downstate > > > > Necro > > > lmao, is this some kind of meme I've missed? Ele clearly has the strongest, impossible to safestomp. Thief is similar, slightly weaker 2 skill, much better 3 skill. Ranger has a mediocre 2 skill, but a fantastic 3 skill. Necro is one of the easiest to safestomp (stab, aegis, blind and the only one where resistance works but at least not projectile blocks like engi/war tho, can also be cleared to vastly cut the duration). Only warrior and engi are easier to safestomp, but both of those come with play okay 3 skills. A downstate tier list should clearly be based on how good the class is at, in order of importance. 1. Avoiding stomps 2. Getting away from the fight 3. Healing 4. Damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 make everyone have the same downstate skill, throw debris, pray to gods, try to bandage, give up and die. only those 4 skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsa.3951 Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 @Anet any plans on balancing downstate? or do we need accept that some classes get a frebie for no reason ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoritoGod.5817 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 downstates are actually p balanced tbh. here's my run down revenant: slow on auto to stop cleaving which is annoying and a super meme far kb #2 warrior: omega trash #2 and bad #1 but must respect the vengeance if he has impact skills like banner and zerker rampage guardian: jigga trash auto except it can cast off blind, good aoe #2 and good healing for self rez and late rez on #3 ranger: bad #1, ok #2 bc it's hard to see, obvious best #3 in game which has to be insanely respected even at the highest level engi: total trash tbh, bad #1 pretty bad #2 decent #3, only reasonable bc of double cc thief: #1 is actually insane damage, #2 obviously good, #3 is ok, overall top tier mes: confu on #1 is nutty on condi, #2 very good, #3 can meme people hard with 6k hits ele: bad #1, godlike #2 with portal usage etc necro: godly #1 for damage and sustain, #2 trash but terror can literally carry a fight #3 is jigga damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 > @"DoritoGod.5817" said: > revenant: a super meme far kb #2 As someone who likes stomping over bleeding foes, no skill has ever pushed me into the terrain of maps as much as that one skill. Not even LB4 on Ranger. I feel a genuine tinge of fear when I am near a downed rev and there is a wall or a pillar or something behind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 > @"Pyroen.2086" said: > I agree. some downstates feel useless like revenant or elementalist. Downstate improvements isn't a thing you shouldn't ask for. Starting because isn't even a place in which you want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsa.3951 Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 2 players both same skill level, one guardian the other Ranger both go down the same moment due one tick of burn. or to make it more funny the guard goes down 5 seconds later Who will win ? now we say its not a 1v1 in contest but sometimes it is and mini seasons with the upcoming 3v3 before 2v2 will have some day a 1v1 for sure I see no reason why the outcome of who win the down fight is already decided by choosing the class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 The peak joy of downstate is fighting a downed Ancient Seeds Druid with 2 double-CC pets. Bonus points for traited Beastly Warden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighter.5631 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 > @"Aihao.5824" said: > > @"Balsa.3951" said: > > they can almost one shot u > that's power sb i guess? > > > mesmer 3 hit truck ton also there's one time i downded 1v2 downed 2 guardian one next to each other and they just pressed 3 and instantly rezzed both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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