Bry.8140 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Interesting new map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anela.3867 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I really like the new map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Soul.5178 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm very interested to see where we all end up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokh.2695 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Looks good. Hope that it will put some life back into the PoF maps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasculio.2914 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 They really didn't have to begin the trailer pushing on us the very poor story point of "did you think the Six Gods were silent because we were gone? Nah, just kidding! We'll be gone from now on. kthb!". :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury ranique.2170 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 So it seems a new map and not a re-design of an existing (recently released) map. That is good. To speculate about the location. I do not expect this map as big as the PoF map. So my first bet would be west of riverlands. Some things I noted: You see a vaabian themed building with an observatory on top. Krait cages hanging from high cliffs. A big hallway. A significant Square. A harbor with lots of buildings. I would not expect such a significant harbor so close to Amoon. I wouldn't be surprised if it is in Istan. Maybe even Spamadan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Sated.2698 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Do you have to own PoF to access living world story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrulisse.1246 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @"Saint Sated.2698" said: > Do you have to own PoF to access living world story? Yes but if you log-in to the game no matter what you will unlock it on your account forever. So if you don't have PoF and ever get it later you can play it then for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orimidu.9604 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Dajkah. It will lead up to the next (and final, for the Dragons Arc) expansion dealing with the DSD and balancing Tyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseison.4659 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yawn. Lets just get this over with so we can be that much closer to going to Cantha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downfall.4613 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm excited. One of the shots shows towers that resemble the towers in the Astralarium in Istan from Gw1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubi.4136 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Erasculio.2914 said: > They really didn't have to begin the trailer pushing on us the very poor story point of "did you think the Six Gods were silent because we were gone? Nah, just kidding! We'll be gone from now on. kthb!". :/ Just because humans worshipped them, doesn't make them gods. Bacon is more worthy of being worshipped than those aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasC.1056 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. Ok. Straight and bold. Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The new map seems really cool. Good Job anet. I am from mobile but... was that a Palawa Joko Giant statue? Will Palawa Joko be the new DW member? Since he can destroy an Elder dragon with only a gaZe, what are we supposed to do? Are you not praising him yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 There is always a random character in the trailers, sometimes 2 or 3, even. They are either "the commander" or some generic adventurers following the base crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlin Sanders.3587 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelweiss.4261 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Isn't this what already happens with the dialogue in the story bits? I just try to ignore it and make my story in the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirlias.8104 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I don't really like to be the main character tbh. I would have prefered to be part of a large crew, working with the name ones. The urge of being the main character is imho ruining part onsef the story and dialogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zania.8461 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Shirlias.8104 said: > I don't really like to be the main character tbh. > I would have prefered to be part of a large crew, working with the name ones. > > The urge of being the main character is imho ruining part onsef the story and dialogues. Commander, to me! We had that opportunity in Personal Story. Caused so much outcry that ANet changed the direction and made our character the focus for all future installments. And then murdered Trahearne just so people won't be upset over him hogging the "leader of the Pact" spot, replacing him with Logan and changing the position into desk job one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasC.1056 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @Randulf.7614 said: > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > @Randulf.7614 said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. > > Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. > > As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : > * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, > * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them > * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. > > I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? > > There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? > > It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. It's a trailer, is it really necessary to bust their balls over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasC.1056 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > @Randulf.7614 said: > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > > > > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > > > > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. > > > > Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. > > > > As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : > > * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, > > * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them > > * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. > > > > I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? > > > > There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? > > > > It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. > > It's a trailer, is it really necessary to bust their kitten over it? Of course ! I'm supposed to be hyped. That's what a trailer is made for ! I'm supposed to be eager to log my character in, and go see Rytlock, share his hopes that Aurene still knows who her friends are, and watch the plot unveil as my character lives the whole story ! Right now, I'm no really hyped, because I saw Rytlock talk to some random guy that I don't know, about business that my character is supposed to be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > @DarcShriek.5829 said: > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > @Randulf.7614 said: > > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > > > Likely just a placeholder for us. Our hero is both "the" hero and a grand heroic adventurer depending on the context. There isn't anyway the trailer could actually show us, so they prob show a random Character in our place. > > > > > > > @"Carlin Sanders.3587" said: > > > > > @ThomasC.1056 said: > > > > > Who is that guy whom Rytlock talks to ? The very one that says "Aurene ?!" I truly hope he isn't. We never see the guy in PoF game, as far as I know, yet he seems to take a central part in the whole story, as we also saw him in PoF trailer. > > > > > > > > > > Ok. Straight and bold. > > > > > > > > > > Is that guy supposed to be the hero, aka the _Player's Character_ ? If so, what about players who chose another gender or another race ? > > > > > > > > > > **If so, how am I supposed to feel involved in the whole story if I'm watching _someone else_ live the story in the trailers ?** Are ANet's storytellers so far away from players that they're now telling _their own_ stories for _themselves_ ? Are the players bound to only be watchers of the whole plot ? > > > > > > > > You try designing a character that represents all races, all professions, all choices and both sexes at the same time. I'm sure anet would love to hear about this omni character. > > > > > > > > In the meantime i just mentally replace them with my main. > > > > > > Don't ask impossible things. They can't portrait each and every possibility, and I'm not asking that. > > > > > > As far as I remember, in previous trailers, they _never_ impersonated the main character in such an obvious and univocal way. Previously, I saw them : > > > * Use a small pack of people, which is fine because players can see them as "random generic characters following the crew", as Ardid said, > > > * Make known NPC's (Rytlock e.g.) talk without him being on screen (transitions, landscapes, black screens...), so that players can figure the Charr is talking to them > > > * Use the first person view in situations where the PC was supposed to be there. > > > > > > I'm sure there're plenty of other ways to let the viewer know that the PC is involved, without using a placeholder. I don't want to "mentally switch the placeholder with my main". I'm not watching a movie and dreaming I'm Gandalf the White. I'm playing a Role Playing Game, and I'm supposed to be the main character in it (or whatever other role can be). That guy isn't _my_ character. How am I supposed to feel like things are made for me as a player (who said "customer" ?) ? Then again, how am I supposed to feel involved ? > > > > > > There're things that I can understand and cope with because it's a MMORPG and I'm an adult. But this ! Using a placeholder in trailers ! It's a path that I fondly disagree with. What will be next ? Devs playing the whole new chapter on youtube while I'm watching ? A movie release ? Guild Wars 2 living story on Netflix ? > > > > > > It can be made without a placeholder. So please get rid of that nonsense, work your videos so that the player feels involved and in the center of the story. > > > > It's a trailer, is it really necessary to bust their kitten over it? > > Of course ! I'm supposed to be hyped. That's what a trailer is made for ! I'm supposed to be eager to log my character in, and go see Rytlock, share his hopes that Aurene still knows who her friends are, and watch the plot unveil as my character lives the whole story ! > > Right now, I'm no really hyped, because I saw Rytlock talk to some guy that I don't know about business that my character is supposed to be concerned about. > > I think some people put too many expectations in trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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