Haleydawn.3764 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > Nope, played D&D for years and other assorted rpgs and I don't think it makes people evil .. I just wish games would be more creative and resist the urge to copy names from the "real world". If you can imagine a completely new world, why can't you imagine a completely new item with its own unique name? Why, when you can reference something else which brings more flavour to the item, and basically rounds it off. For example, Nevermore, while it still could have had the name The Raven Staff (upon renaming its precursor) Nevermore rounds it off nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vincent III.1286 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 In GW2, the world is called Tyria, yet Elementalist uses Earth Magic instead of Tyria Magic or better yet, Dirt Magic. There is no Earth in Tyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee.7829 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > Nope, played D&D for years and other assorted rpgs and I don't think it makes people evil .. I just wish games would be more creative and resist the urge to copy names from the "real world". If you can imagine a completely new world, why can't you imagine a completely new item with its own unique name? So, which one is it? Do you hate it because it references "Demons " which you think are evil? Dark paths, and all that? Because you literally just said "summoning demons doesnt make you evil" in that quote. Or do you hate the lack of originality. Because every time someone picks each argument apart, you switch right back to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 okay... one more time.... A game that takes place in an imaginary world where characters do imaginary things is quite different from a real world where people attempt to do evil things. So why associate a game item with a real item that represents evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacuzzi.1643 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Seems to me like you're upset that the name conflicts with your personal beliefs rather than an unimaginative name on anet's part nice try though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diak Atoli.2085 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 _15 characters worth of popcorn._ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majic.4801 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I agree. They should have called it the "Necronomicon" instead. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee.7829 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > okay... one more time.... A game that takes place in an imaginary world where characters do imaginary things is quite different from a real world where people attempt to do evil things. So why associate a game item with a real item that represents evil? That's a good portion of the point were trying to make. This IS a fantasy world. Things that are evil here are not evil there. There is literally a human God named Abaddon, who is by many accounts, the literal Satan. If that's not a reference to evil, then neither is this book most people have never heard of. These references are everywhere and not just in GW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashingsteel.3410 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 @Jacuzzi....... You are partially correct but I really do wish that Tyria and other fantasy worlds would try to be more imaginative. With this item they could have created some more lore that was solely Tyrian instead of ripping off another name........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUST.7241 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > Anet, please quit naming unique items after historical items from the real world. Tyria is supposed to be its own unique world and should have no connection with planet Earth. The new legendary focus titled Ars Goetia is actually a 17th century book about summoning demons. It was later revised by Alister Crowley in the 20th century. Why do you have to connect Tyria with this kind of crap? I prefer fantasy pretend world. > > just google ars goetia and you will see what I am talking about Ars Goetia sounds perfectly fine to be in GW2. By your logic, should Tyria be renamed? _"Tyria may refer to:_ * _Tyria (moth), one of the arctii genera_ * _Tyria (river), a river in northwestern Greece_ * _Tyria, Greece, a village in the municipal unit Selloi, Ioannina regional unit, Greece_ * _Tyria (plant), a synonyme of Euphorbiaceae Bernardia._ * _Tyria, Essos, a former city of the Valyrian Freehold in Game of Thrones_ _"_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 By the OP’s logic Zhaitan needs a renaming since he refers to Satan, demons and hell. Zhaitan is a respelling of Shaitan, the Islamic name for Satan. . This thread needs ? lots and lots of ??????. And a ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeefa.3915 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 If games cannot use names from real world mythos, history etc. the names would become much more generic... like raven staff, flower bow, glowing staff, tiger bow... Oh yeah Chuka Champawat might actually be worse... since it shares its name with 2 real tigers that killed and ate real people back in the 1900s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoarChaos.8320 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 You're a fool if you think anything in fantasy is created OP. It's not possible to make anything out of nothing. Even in your mind. Your worlds are based on what experiences you've had. The name is fine. It's more jarring that you don't mention humans being in a "fantasy" setting. But taking a stand on a name you wouldn't know unless you looked it up? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowpeixera.2918 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Dude, it's just the Ars Goetia, not the Mein Kampf. Save your outrage for something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haishao.6851 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > okay... one more time.... A game that takes place in an imaginary world where characters do imaginary things is quite different from a real world where people attempt to do evil things. So why associate a game item with a real item that represents evil? I'm sorry but I fail to see how this book is evil in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe.1807 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 ahhh I shuldnt say this, but whattever, the Axe Vassago[https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vassago](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vassago "https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vassago") makes referrence to this little fella here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassago](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassago "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassago")...did you make a big deal about it too? Dont get me wrong, i know what you traying to say, black magic is a thing...may not exist, but to a lot of people is a real. And this book in particular is real as well, and probably have been used a few times to summon demons and all that good stuff, and also during the rituals some real nasty stuff might have happen, like human sacrifice for example...so yeah, i get it why you dont want the game to be connected with this kind of shit...but, as others have pointed out allready, if we start with this game of rename things cause they may refer to bad stuff/entities of our culture we probably will end up with +50% of NPC/Places/Itens renamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seera.5916 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 > @Dashingsteel.3410 said: > Nope, played D&D for years and other assorted rpgs and I don't think it makes people evil .. I just wish games would be more creative and resist the urge to copy names from the "real world". If you can imagine a completely new world, why can't you imagine a completely new item with its own unique name? Because in a game where you allow people to name themselves Xxx Legolas, it's just fine to have plenty of references to real world history, myth, and pop culture. It gets people talking with their friends who enjoy that part of history, enjoy mythology, or are a fan of something. It's not some book that's being shipped off to publishers to be released into the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 OMG, I had no idea that it referenced an actual book until you pointed it out. Now I read some of the "real" Book (the Ars Goetia) on the net and I think I accidentally summoned a demon! Why, oh why did you point out that the book existed, I wouldn't have known and now...oh, I think it is getting closer and there is something evil in its ugly eyes and that's a lot of teeth in that mou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I must now make this precursor and put a sigil of demon summoning in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haishao.6851 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 This thread reminded me I have an old book talking of the Goetia and how to invoke demons. It's too damaged to know the title but named Modern Magick and it looks like it's from a series of books on bullshit Invoking Ipos as we speak to make him farm elder wood.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 There very act of religious worship would be considered "garbage" by some. On the other hand some people consider science to be equally trashy as well. Obviously Tyria should only be inhabited by unthinking blobs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenooble.5014 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 ArenaNet, please don't use English in the game. That's an Earthen language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drecien.4508 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I heard Occam's razor on a TV show a while back. I was like, I own that ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlin Sanders.3587 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 hate it break this to you OP but a lot of items in tyria reference things in real life - rifle, pistol, musket, human, turret, etc. - as well as more fantastical elements too - Caladbolg (Celtic), Bifrost (norse), Chuka and Champawat (real life indian tigers that hold the world record for most men killed by tigers), etc. - and heck some of the elder dragons reference form earth as well. Zhaitan - Shaitan/Satan (in some interpretations), Mordremoth - Mordred, Jormag - Jörmungandr, etc. So to call out a legendary item that has a basis on a book seems rather silly, especially when they could utilize other famous books such as The Necronomicon, Galdrabók, The book of the dead, book of shadows, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenooble.5014 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 "Hello huehksjun, I just got a kdjieldir from a flying kkeurkdall. The iqiuw was rough but I pieiudur and lininkurh the kkeurkdall and he vurron. I asked Bob what he thought I should do with it and he suggested I kiningling in olippunusy for some urp. " -- What the OP wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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