Whitworth.7259 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"reikken.4961" said: > balance patches are every 3 months. Last one was Nov 7th. The closest Tuesday to 3 months from that is Feb 6th Better than The Simpsons at predicting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Knox.8962" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Knox.8962" said: > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > ** [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area)* > > > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > > > > > I am looking directly at the balance updates on the old forums, the Quarterly patch cycles for balance were January, April, July, October, then in 2017 they went off cycle and missed the January balance patch and released it in February, so your claim that it has been on time/cycle for the past two is a lie, since the cycle got changed February 2017 as you even pointed out in your post, did you even read what you wrote? And even then your math was off, you stated 127 days after the last Balance patch in October 2016, when the average time was 83-93 days after the previous patch so no that’s not delayed two weeks as you claim but four weeks. > > > > > > > > So for not even a year this has been the cycle, again quit spreading misinformation aka your “last two years this has been the release schedule” > > > > > > > > The December patch wasn’t a balance patch even devs stated as such, it was a bonus patch. > > > > > > Quarterly means once per Quarter. It does not specifically mean the first Tuesday of every quarter. > > > > > > MO made a blog post on the old forums saying that the one outlier in that list was going to be slightly later than the others, and then a snow storm delayed it an additional 2 weeks. > > > > > > Even with that one extra long gap, they are still averaging right at 3 months between patches. > > > > They had a set cycle then they changed that cycle by a month only in the last year, you can’t refute that every patch since they went to the Quarterly fell on Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct. then they got delayed by a month(not two weeks as you claim) and now the cycle was never put back on schedule. > > > > > > So again you claimed they were consistent and fell on the same pace the past two years which they haven’t since everything you know shifted a month. > > > > They made a blog post saying head of the snake would be a week or two late because it wasn't quite ready. Then the already week or two late patch got delayed by two weeks because of a huge snow storm. > > You clearly just want to be salty, so I'll leave you to it. Nope not salty just informing you to quit spreading misinformation on 2 years it’s been the same schedule, it hasn’t even been a year for the same schedule and you originally said that the feb 2017 Patch was delayed only two weeks, now changing your story to well they delayed it a month, so again this has been the release schedule of balance patches for barely a year not two. Remember original schedule was a patch every Jan, Apr, Jul, Oct for the last year it changed to Feb, May, Aug, Nov. common sense shows the release schedule changed and isn’t the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"otto.5684" said: > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. Scourge got buffed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arden.7480 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. So if everything is alright, why you want to "balance" something that is already balanced. I can't quite understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. > > Scourge got buffed? The barrier rework on the 12/12 patch was a major gain for Scourge. Scourge was also given a minor buff on the 11/7 patch. The only time Scourge has been nerfed was the 10/17 patch. > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > > >boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! > > > > > Don't forget about Reaper's already pathetic defense, when you nerf Might->Weakness corruption duration! > > > > > > > > Why nerf Scourge when you can ignore Scourge and nerf core necro instead? 10/10 change > > > > > > > > Boon conversion table was never a issue before Scourge happened. > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the greatest strengths of a scourge come from core necro. Scourge on it's own only applies 3 conditions. With scepter that goes to 4, with core traits it goes to **all** because of the corruption table. > > > They weren't such a big "issue" because boon corruption didn't have synergy with reaper, it does with scourge. But they were there, and a lot of them worked just as well. > > > I don't think they should change the table either, but some stuff like weakness is a bit too strong atm. > > > > It is the mechanics of Scourge that make it broken. Path of Corruption was fine on core and reaper where shroud 2 are primarily single target skills with a large telegraph. Path of Corruption was not designed to accommodate being attached to dual 300 radius AoE effects that are instant cast on a 6.5 second cd. Likewise Dhuumfire and Unyielding blast was never designed to be attached to all 5 shroud skills, let alone the mass AoE bit. > > > Well, you only get the effects of a single aoe, and you need to be on pretty much melee range of the necro, or inside the shade to get corrupted. Both Path of Corruption and Unyielding blast can move to you. Sure you can dodge, but you know what you don't even need to dodge if you're not standing still? Shades. > If you want to melee an electrical fence, don't cry home about getting electrocuted. You realize that you can cast a Shade directly on top of someone, and immediately activate whatever shade skills you want the moment the manifest cast completes? Moreover in case you haven't noticed Savant Shades have 300 radius which when combined with the native 900 range of Manifest Shade means a Scourge can bring their full offensive capabilities to bear at 1200 range. People don't die because they walked into a electric fence. They died because that Electric fence can zap them from a far greater range than most builds can even engage from. > > You're also ignoring the fact that while Scourge may "just" apply Burning, Torment, and Cripple natively, it applies those conditions in totally unprecedented amounts. Necromancer has had access to massive amounts of debuff and utility conditions since vanilla, but that access was balanced by necromancer having less damage than it's counterparts. Scourge broke that rule by offering large amounts of high damage conditions while still retaining all of core necro's debuff and condition variety. > > > Unprecedented amounts compared to what? > Have you played malix revenant? Two skills and i get 20 stacks of torment on you easy. It's nowhere near unprecedented. > So you mean because historically Necro was always at the trail end of damage, it should be kept there? Because people can't handle that? Mallyx rev: 1) Has absolutely 0 cover conditions 2) is completely melee 3) has no defensive capabilities whatsoever 4) has cast times on top of a brutal reasource system. the more cover conditions a class has the less condition burst it should have. Yet Scourge broke this paradigm by combining burn guard levels of damage with procmancer levels of cover conditions and debuffs. This results in a condition package that is nearly impossible to counter because it does way too much damage to sustain through, while being nearly impossible to cleanse due to all the cover conditions. > > Oh and Scourge's Ghastly Breach and Torch skills are just straight up overloaded. > > > Ghastly Breach... Again, you're meleeing the elctric fence... > Now torch: > 4: Harrowing Wave: 1 Burn 2 Torment, up to 5 targets. 20s cd > 5: Orpressive Collapse: 2 Torment, 2 might, 1 Knockdowns, 1 target 20s cd > Lets compare to mesmer torch: > 4: The prestige: Stealth, Blind, 3 stacks burning, removes 1 condi, 5 targets. 30s cd > 5: A Phantasm that burns and grants fury: 2 burns stacks each time the phantasm attacks. 1 target, 30s cd > > I'd say they both compare quite well... The same with Berserker torch, etc. Except they don't. First off you're ignoring that Scourge's torch is ranged while Mesmer's and Berserker's are both melee. You also ignoring that Scourge's Torch offers higher damage with a lower cooldown, and unlike Berserker's Torch does not require the target standing in a melee field for 5 seconds. As for Ghastly Breach: 1) rapidly generates might for allies within it 2) applies burning per tick 3) applies slow per tick 4) converts boons per tick into torment and Cripple 5) is a combo field. *6) is on a 70 second base cooldown* To put that in perspective Reaper's CttB elite is on a 90 second base cooldown and only applies CC and stability. Plaguelands which is the closest skill to Ghastly Breach in terms of effect is on a 120 seconds base cooldown. Also stunlocking someone inside of Ghastly Breach is stupid easy to do with all the CC and cripple that is available to Scourge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > -Karl But those changes don't seem to address the problems we have! :( ... giant spammable circles of scourge cripple, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley.5694 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. I hope a buff for dual dagger elementalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 > @"Svarty.8019" said: > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > > > -Karl > > But those changes don't seem to address the problems we have! :( ... giant spammable circles of scourge cripple, etc... "PLUS MOAR!!!" - Kurl McLain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 What _**should**_ happen: -Nefarious Favor needs a cast time. Most Elite skills are not as good as this one ability. AoE bombs like this should never ever under any circumstances be instant cast. -Ele and Revenant need a viable meta build. Either buff Tempest/Herald so they suck less or rework Weaver/Renegade. Whichever. Just make these classes optimal again. -Mirage has too much mobility and utility for a class that is also the best duelist in the game. Played at high level it feels like an upgraded thief. -FB healing should be toned down a notch. -Holosmiths on demand 2 stability stacks is on a skill that has way too short of a CD -tie it to a different skill. Too much CC for a class that can do that much damage. -Spellbreakers have gotten more fair but can still do slightly too much damage for how hard they are to kill. -Hard counters are **EXTREMELY BAD** for sPvP and should all be toned down to soft counters whenever possible. -Druid has been busted for years. What **WILL** happen: -We increased Renegades outgoing healing by 1% and decreased damage by 10% to help preserve its identity as a support role durrrr -Scourges were under-performing in Silver/Bronze ranked so we buffed some random necro traits derp derp derp -No changes to firebrand we are the best balance team ever XD!!!!! -Engineers exist? Rangers exist? News to us! -We changed a few random skills to either do 1% more or 1% less damage without touching the mechanics that actually make them broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe.1807 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > -Karl Oh boy, "some mesmer changes we're excited", i dont know about you guys, but considering Anet history, i am kind of scared, hopefully the patch will prove me wrong, but i can totally see on the patch notes new buffs to both Scourge and Mirage...gonna quit the game till the day the patch hits, just today fought a Mirage on WvW...the evade, teleport and condi burst is just disgusting...having some professions that are a little stronger is normal on games, you cant achieve perfect balance, but Scourge and Mirage are just beyond broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xillllix.3485 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hope you fix Weaver. It way too unforgiving and unrewarding. At least remove the cooldown when reattuning to the same element. I find Weaver unplayable in competitive settings and do ALL my elementalist friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Saiyan.1704" said: > > @"Svarty.8019" said: > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > > > > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > > > > > -Karl > > > > But those changes don't seem to address the problems we have! :( ... giant spammable circles of scourge cripple, etc... > > "PLUS MOAR!!!" - Kurl McLain Come on Kurl, be the change we want to see in the World vs World! Gandhi says it, so it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Saiyan.1704" said: > > @"Svarty.8019" said: > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > > > > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > > > > > -Karl > > > > But those changes don't seem to address the problems we have! :( ... giant spammable circles of scourge cripple, etc... > > "PLUS MOAR!!!" - Kurl McLain Pretty sure he would have mentioned something as important has a Scourge nerf, particularly given how popular such a announcement would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. > > Scourge got buffed? Slight buff in barrier overall buffs last patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"otto.5684" said: > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. > > > > Scourge got buffed? > > Slight buff in barrier overall buffs last patch. What, made barrier work? That's the big scourge buff? Mind you that Elementalists have Barrier and so do Holomancers, so hardly a big ass scourge buff. And Axe buffs, cause every scourge main plays power and axe, that's a core/reaper buff, not scourge. Everything that actually makes scourge strong was nerfed, every condi application was nerfed along with all other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > @"Saiyan.1704" said: > > > @"Svarty.8019" said: > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > > > > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > > > > > > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > > > > > > > -Karl > > > > > > But those changes don't seem to address the problems we have! :( ... giant spammable circles of scourge cripple, etc... > > > > "PLUS MOAR!!!" - Kurl McLain > > Pretty sure he would have mentioned something as important has a Scourge nerf, particularly given how popular such a announcement would be. I think they only talk about things that are 100% certain, and then only in speculative terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > > > > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. > > > > > > Scourge got buffed? > > > > Slight buff in barrier overall buffs last patch. > > What, made barrier work? That's the big scourge buff? Mind you that Elementalists have Barrier and so do Holomancers, so hardly a big kitten scourge buff. > And Axe buffs, cause every scourge main plays power and axe, that's a core/reaper buff, not scourge. > Everything that actually makes scourge strong was nerfed, every condi application was nerfed along with all other classes. > Dude wth are you talking about?! Who cares about reaper or axe. This stuff is not even on the map. Also the majority of scourge damage in sPvP comes from boon corruption, which was not touched. The condi damage spread out matters so little for scourge. So ya, scourge was buffed with the buff barrier. And why are you jamming ele and engi into this? If you want to talk about barrier overall, sure it did need a buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"otto.5684" said: > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > > @"BlaqueFyre.5678" said: > > > > > > > > @"Knox.8962" said: > > > > > > > > > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > > > > > > > > > Also what was supposed to be a demi-patch, apparently became, in your schedule, one of the scheduled patches. > > > > > > > > **This is a flat out lie**. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The last MAJOR patch was on 11/7. 3 months after that is 2/7. That puts the MAJOR patches on the same quarterly pace they have been on for about 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mid-December patch was 100% a bonus patch above the regular release cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can complain about the content of the patch all you want, but don't just make up stuff to fit your narrative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasn’t been the past two years quit spreading misinformation, history shows Balance patches were with the Quarterly updates like the Winter and Spring Quarterly updates in 2016 which happened January and April, you know the first months of the quarters, sometime in 2017 they got off schedule. > > > > > > > > > > > > They have been releasing quarterly balance patches for over a year now. The last 8 balance patches (And PoF Launch) are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > * [12/12/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/12/12/gw2-dec-12-game-update-patch-notes/) (Bonus Balance Patch) > > > > > > * [11/07/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/11/07/gw2-nov-7-game-update-patch-notes/) - 91 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > > * [09/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/09/22/gw2-sept-22-game-update-patch-notes/) PoF Launch > > > > > > * [08/08/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/08/08/gw2-august-8-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > > * [05/16/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/05/16/gw2-may-16-game-update-patch-notes/) - 83 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > > * [02/22/17](http://dulfy.net/2017/02/22/gw2-feb-22-game-update-patch-notes/) - 127 Days After Previous Patch (This was delayed ~2 weeks by snow in the Seattle Area) > > > > > > * [10/18/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/10/18/gw2-october-18-game-update-patch-notes/) - 84 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > > * [07/26/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/07/26/gw2-july-26-game-update-patch-notes/) - 98 Days After Previous Patch > > > > > > * [04/19/16](http://dulfy.net/2016/04/19/gw2-april-19-game-update-patch-notes/) > > > > > > > > > > > > They've been pretty consistent on the cadence other than the one MO made a big blog post about it being delayed. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an average of 13.5 weeks or 94.5 days between patches for the last 2 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > The pace of balance hasn't changed in 2 years. In fact, the mid-cycle patch we got in December is a marked step forward. > > > > > > > > > > I do not have an issue with balance patches frequency pre-PoF. I have an issue with last 2 balance patches quality. They did not fix much. Thus, since PoF release, not much has changed and much is broken. And the 12/12/17 flat out made the game balance much worse. It nerfed every single condi build in sPvP except the 2 meta ones, scourge and mirage, which got buffed. And all condi builds, except mirage and scourge were under performing to begin with. > > > > > > > > Scourge got buffed? > > > > > > Slight buff in barrier overall buffs last patch. > > > > What, made barrier work? That's the big scourge buff? Mind you that Elementalists have Barrier and so do Holomancers, so hardly a big kitten scourge buff. > > And Axe buffs, cause every scourge main plays power and axe, that's a core/reaper buff, not scourge. > > Everything that actually makes scourge strong was nerfed, every condi application was nerfed along with all other classes. > > > > Dude wth are you talking about?! Who cares about reaper or axe. This stuff is not even on the map. Also the majority of scourge damage in sPvP comes from boon corruption, which was not touched. The condi damage spread out matters so little for scourge. So ya, scourge was buffed with the buff barrier. And why are you jamming ele and engi into this? > > If you want to talk about barrier overall, sure it did need a buff. Are you ok? Cause seriously, i asked what was buffed in scourge in the past patch. You answered "Slight buff in barrier overall buffs last patch". I detailed exactly what was buffed last patch, which like you said your self isn't a buff to scourge at all. I never said the character was nerfed. I said that except for fixing barrier (which isn't specific to scourge) and a couple other stuff that was broken, all they did to scourge was buff axe, which scourge don't use, and nerf condi stacks like they did on all others. So i wouldn't call it "buffing scourge", like @"Knox.8962" said had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think the boon convertion comment by karl is probably their intended scourge nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guizao.4167 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > @"Emtiarbi.3281" said: > > > @"Karl McLain.5604" said: > > > Assuming that all goes well and we don't have any unexpected issues, the next balance update is scheduled for February 6th. > > > > Are you guys going to give us any sneak peak of the Balance Patch? D: > > We are planning PvP/WvW splits, changes to the Confusion condition, regeneration effectiveness prioritization, boon/condition conversion table changes... PLUS MORE!! There are some mesmer changes we're excited about and hope to talk them about in more detail as we draw nearer to the update. Stay tuned! > > -Karl What about elementalists? Are we still going to be dependent on Water and Arcane? What about taking staff into pvp? What are your plans to address staff's and scepter's strengths and weaknesses? And the revenant? Anything for hammer and Jalis? Are you guys gonna talk about some of the changes one week before the patch? @ArenaNet @"Karl McLain.5604" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario.8964 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Kuya.6495" said: > I think the boon convertion comment by karl is probably their intended scourge nerf. Better not be the only one. Scourge is far too broken to just receive a small change to boon corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta.2563 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Ario.8964" said: > > @"Kuya.6495" said: > > I think the boon convertion comment by karl is probably their intended scourge nerf. > > Better not be the only one. Scourge is far too broken to just receive a small change to boon corruption. I don't play one, but playing against one can be pain. Although I'm not too sure what part about them would be considered broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Ario.8964" said: > > @"Kuya.6495" said: > > I think the boon convertion comment by karl is probably their intended scourge nerf. > > Better not be the only one. Scourge is far too broken to just receive a small change to boon corruption. If they nerf the duration of boon convertions to condis, you probably wouldn't need to nerf anything else given that's where most of the damage is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 > @"Kuya.6495" said: > > @"Ario.8964" said: > > > @"Kuya.6495" said: > > > I think the boon convertion comment by karl is probably their intended scourge nerf. > > > > Better not be the only one. Scourge is far too broken to just receive a small change to boon corruption. > > If they nerf the duration of boon convertions to condis, you probably wouldn't need to nerf anything else given that's where most of the damage is coming from. Not really where the damage is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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