Zoe.8310 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Has Anet ever explained in one of the AMA's as to why they don't flush very old transactions out of the Trading Post? Seems like there are a lot of zombie items for sale/buy that are clearly 6+ months old.... kinda seems like they should expire at some point? Maybe flush them out after 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtpelion.4562 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Old postings help insulate the market from sudden price rises and falls, as such they play a valuable role in stabilizing the economy. This is a trade post, not an auction house. They are fundamentally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galmac.4680 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just return to sender after 6 month... why not. And all the offers below the minimum price could be canceled too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embered.5089 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think only the prices that are under minimum value should be “flushed”, but not any that are at least minimum price. The latter could theoretically still undergo a sale/buy transaction someday. I personally am watching some of my old orders, so i know that i wouldn’t want them to be auto-deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 This would break the mail system and how would you handle the listing fees being returned? I do like systems that can handle these kind of options but this one isn't built this way. Not seeing this happening without an overhaul of the system and think probably most of the player base would prefer coding time to be spent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I'm sorry, how is that even bothering you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 They better not flush those posts, I paid for them. They still until I take them down or Anet needs to refund the money. Why does it bother you that old posts are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe.8310 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 > @"TheGrimm.5624" said: > This would break the mail system and how would you handle the listing fees being returned? I do like systems that can handle these kind of options but this one isn't built this way. Not seeing this happening without an overhaul of the system and think probably most of the player base would prefer coding time to be spent elsewhere. The Trading Post doesn't use the Mail System already, there would be no need to tie the system in. Just use the existing system where it goes to the collection area of the TP interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauried.5608 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Yes, the listing fees must stay, as they are what prevents players from using the TP as free storage for their items. Old posts dont affect anyone and TP prices do rise and fall, so you cant assume that old items wont ever sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe.8310 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 > @"Embered.5089" said: > I think only the prices that are under minimum value should be “flushed”, but not any that are at least minimum price. The latter could theoretically still undergo a sale/buy transaction someday. Yeah, I guess these are the ones that really make the most sense, stuff that is somehow an "invalid" price to begin with. What if the flush was due to the Transaction being 6 months old AND the user has also not logged in for 6 months? That might be a safer way to isolate zombie transactions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe.8310 Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 > @"mauried.5608" said: > Yes, the listing fees must stay, as they are what prevents players from using the TP as free storage for their items. > Old posts dont affect anyone and TP prices do rise and fall, so you cant assume that old items wont ever sell. > Okay... what if zombie "Buy Orders" are flushed if the user has not logged in for X months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarcShriek.5829 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 > @"Zoe.8310" said: > > @"Embered.5089" said: > > I think only the prices that are under minimum value should be “flushed”, but not any that are at least minimum price. The latter could theoretically still undergo a sale/buy transaction someday. > > Yeah, I guess these are the ones that really make the most sense, stuff that is somehow an "invalid" price to begin with. > > What if the flush was due to the Transaction being 6 months old AND the user has also not logged in for 6 months? That might be a safer way to isolate zombie transactions? I've had sell orders older than one year actually sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manasa Devi.7958 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 So have I, and I was almost always sorry they sold. Because some were items that spiked upward due to game changes and those old sales were suddenly deemed dirt cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seera.5916 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 > @"Zoe.8310" said: > > @"Embered.5089" said: > > I think only the prices that are under minimum value should be “flushed”, but not any that are at least minimum price. The latter could theoretically still undergo a sale/buy transaction someday. > > Yeah, I guess these are the ones that really make the most sense, stuff that is somehow an "invalid" price to begin with. > > What if the flush was due to the Transaction being 6 months old AND the user has also not logged in for 6 months? That might be a safer way to isolate zombie transactions? Then that's items stuck in limbo if the player never ever logs in again. At least remaining on the TP means that the item may be bought at some day in the future. And if the player ever does return one day, it would be nice to see a nice chunk of gold sitting for them in the TP including items that sold 6+ months since his/her previous log in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 What purpose would it serve? How would removing old items and buy orders benefit Anet or players? They're not doing any harm and as someone else said they insulate the market from sudden changes. I can see the logic in removing buy orders that are below the minimum selling price because those can't be filled unless the system breaks. But even then the benefit is minimal - if the players who made those listings wanted their money back they could cancel it themselves (if I remember correctly you don't lose any gold if you cancel a buy order because the fees are paid by the seller). But for items listed for sale and buy orders above the minimum I don't understand how there's any benefit to anyone in removing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauried.5608 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Why is there a need to flush very old orders.? I seriously doubt that Anets servers are getting overloaded by old TP orders, and theres the problem of what happens to the listing fee. Players will complain and rightly so if their orders are getting deleted, unless they get a refund of the listing fee, which then removes one of the major gold sinks from the game. Deleting orders just because a player hasnt logged on for a while seems pretty unfair . Some items can take a looong time to sell, like upmarket legendary weapons where the price is thousands of gold. Id be pretty peeved if after taking a break from the game and came back to find all my items for sale had been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geochan.9184 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Flushing below minimum buy order is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralistu.1965 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 some people just can't grasp it huh its a good thing to flush it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitlit.7630 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I'd just like to see those ridiculous sell orders for white swords for hundreds of gold be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"Ralistu.1965" said: > its a good thing to flush it out No, it's not. It's extra effort to even set things up to make it happen and it serves no valuable purpose for the game. People would be confused as to why they suddenly had items they were trying to sell or gold that they were using to buy something. > some people just can't grasp it huh Apparently, it's a result of the original post not giving a clear reason how it benefits the community to clear out the old offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"geochan.9184" said: > Flushing below minimum buy order is a good thing. Why does it matter? How does tidying up the TP help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costepj.5120 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Personally I take notice of buy orders as an indication of market interest. If there are no buy orders at all, I'm more likely to salvage or sell to vendor, rather than risk wasting my listing fee on something no one wants. I guess historic orders below the minimum sell price don't necessarily carry much weight in that regard, but I'm struggling to see the benefit in deleting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"Ralistu.1965" said: > some people just can't grasp it huh > > its a good thing to flush it out No, we can't grasp it. Please can you (or anyone else who does understand why this would be a good idea) explain it to us so we can understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Sometimes people post in hopes of catching a market fluctuation, for both buy and sell orders. I had a two year old sell order that went through this week. I don’t want any of my buy or sell orders to be reversed no matter how old they are. I’ll do that myself if I no longer want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healix.5819 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If ArenaNet was going to do this, it'd be solely to create a bigger a risk, since they wouldn't be refunding you the listing free. It'd probably include a variable listing fee, allowing you to choose to list it for a day, week, month or year. The benefit to ArenaNet would be wasting your gold in listing fees, but players would be highly encouraged to undercut and sell to buy orders. They might as well do the same for buy orders while they're at it, now charging a listing fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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