Spoichiche.1290 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > We want to play with friends on a team against another team in a structured system with rewards and prestige or glory or whatever. So... Something like on demand tournaments? The thing that is in the pvp backlog and will probably happen after they implement swiss-style and special tournaments? I'm all for giving premades a competitive outlet outside of automated tournaments, but allowing teams in the current implementation of ranked will do more harm than good since it'll push away the majority of the playerbase. (Which is the last thing we need) A teamQ is honestly the laziest option, and given the current pvp population, it'll probably be as much of a joke as unranked but hey, if the players and Anet are willing to give it a try or find a better sollution i'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Spoichiche.1290" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > We want to play with friends on a team against another team in a structured system with rewards and prestige or glory or whatever. > > So... Something like on demand tournaments? The thing that is in the pvp backlog and will probably happen after they implement swiss-style and special tournaments? > > I'm all for giving premades a competitive outlet outside of automated tournaments, but allowing teams in the current implementation of ranked will do more harm than good since it'll push away the majority of the playerbase. (Which is the last thing we need) > A teamQ is honestly the laziest option, and given the current pvp population, it'll probably be as much of a joke as unranked but hey, if the players and Anet are willing to give it a try or find a better sollution i'm all for it. Well a couple lines up I mentioned what I had in mind. >>Some of us want a **Heroes Ascent style, team style, or GVG** style sPvP mode with prestige and rewards. So yes on demand tournaments similar to HA would be good. I would wager the reason that solo q was the strongest occurrence in the past is because there was not a "must have a team" game mode that came with glory and rewards. If there had been a rewarding SPvP game mode at the inception of GW2, then people would adapt and drop their solo q mindset, much like they did in GW1. Ranked arena is random arenas with a leaderboard. Imagine if they had heroes ascent in this game, with the cool /rank emotes so you could gloat. Of course ranked arena would become even more like RA, something you do when your HA team is offline. Somehow team based outlets flourished in the previous game, why would they fail now? I think the theory that the majority of players want to play alone is flawed/incorrect. I bet that the two main reasons for no team game mode are: * designing it /building it effort * it would kill ranked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"witcher.3197" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"witcher.3197" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! Oh..ok! i din't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > Oh..ok! i din't know Np fam you're welcome :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > Oh..ok! i din't know Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't fucking make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. o...k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. > > Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. > o...k! The results are unreliable because the poll was for a trial and also came with the promise of a post season poll. Had they been upfront that it was actually going to be permanent, perhaps the results would be way different. A super point made by shadow was that they killed off PVP guilds. Bravo. Do you think that increased the player base or decreased it? It sure sucked to see your pvp guild be killed off in a misleading poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > > > > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > > > > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > > > > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > > > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > > > > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > > > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > > > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. > > > > Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. > > o...k! > > The results are unreliable because the poll was for a trial and also came with the promise of a post season poll. Had they been upfront that it was actually going to be permanent, perhaps the results would be way different. > > A super point made by shadow was that they killed off PVP guilds. Bravo. Do you think that increased the player base or decreased it? It sure sucked to see your pvp guild be killed off in a misleading poll. I chuckle & laugh every time someone tell's me voting results are unreliable & misleading excuses when they lost. Tel me, if results wher reverse would it be the same? & if it's that unreliable why vote in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > > > > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > > > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > > > > > > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > > > > > > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > > > > > > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > > > > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > > > > > > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > > > > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > > > > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. > > > > > > Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. > > > o...k! > > > > The results are unreliable because the poll was for a trial and also came with the promise of a post season poll. Had they been upfront that it was actually going to be permanent, perhaps the results would be way different. > > > > A super point made by shadow was that they killed off PVP guilds. Bravo. Do you think that increased the player base or decreased it? It sure sucked to see your pvp guild be killed off in a misleading poll. > > I chuckle & laugh every time someone tell's me voting results are unreliable & misleading excuses when they lost. Tel me, if results wher reverse would it be the same? & if it's that unreliable why vote in the first place? The poll was for a trial of solo/duo q for season 5. We were told there would be a post season poll to see if the changes should stay. People voted thinking it was a trial, “knowing” if it was bad they could undo it with a vote post season. People never got the post season poll. People did not vote for anything permanent. What we have was not voted for. So therefor those “results” are not only unreliable, but false. Had the results been opposite we would not even be talking. But if the devs has told players it was permanent, I would bet the vote would have been different. It’s harder to get a majority that size onboard for a permanent change. Trial versus permanent.....big difference If you don’t like a trial, you can drop it. Permanent you got to live with it forever How can you not see that the results would be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > > > > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > > > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > > > > > > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > > > > > > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > > > > > > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > > > > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > > > > > > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > > > > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > > > > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. > > > > > > Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. > > > o...k! > > > > The results are unreliable because the poll was for a trial and also came with the promise of a post season poll. Had they been upfront that it was actually going to be permanent, perhaps the results would be way different. > > > > A super point made by shadow was that they killed off PVP guilds. Bravo. Do you think that increased the player base or decreased it? It sure sucked to see your pvp guild be killed off in a misleading poll. > > I chuckle & laugh every time someone tell's me voting results are unreliable & misleading excuses when they lost. Tel me, if results wher reverse would it be the same? & if it's that unreliable why vote in the first place? Same! LMAO Isn't it really funny when people blamed their losses on 5 mans? LOOOL it gets me every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > > @"witcher.3197" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > > > > > > 5 man Q in Unrank if you feel the need to play with friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to play alone go do the personal story. GW2 is an MMO and Conquest is a team based gamemode, we should be able to compete with friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **It has nothing to do with me or anyone else wanting to play alone. READ UP!** Obviously you need to read up on the thread to understand it has all to do with the fact that 5 man Q was removed by Anet & After numerous complaints from pvp players. 5 man team (So call friends) abused the MMR system to win and get the rewards. It got way out of hand. **Until they fix this problem with a new system, you can't bring back the 5 man Team Q's. ** So what's so difficult to understand that 5 man Q's in rank is BROKEN? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lol wintrading became a bigger problem than ever AFTER they made it solo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 man ranked is not broken, it's just a scapegoat silver players can blame instead of themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh nice, so you saying you know better! & everybody else that voted against is wrong! & that Anet is in error & that there was never any abuse & that it's all a conspiracy from silver & bronze players! > > > > > > Oh..ok! i din't know > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Everybody who voted to remove the ability to choose your teammates is stupid. Anet was wrong to even consider such a ridiculous idea. There was abuse, but it only became worse after the change. And yes, silver and bronze players believe that 5 mans consistently steamrolled PUGs. However, Anet themselves stated this was false. > > > > > > > > > > For the people who are saying to go in unranked or AT to play with friends... > > > > > > > > > > - ATs are rotated and spaced out in a way that are only playable for many people, 2-3 days a week, once or twice a day on those days. > > > > > If you do the math, that's 4-5 days where people aren't having fun. > > > > > > > > > > - Ranked should be where people go to get better for tournaments. So it doesn't kitten make sense to tell the people who want to 5 man go 500-0 a bunch of noobs in unranked who are trying to learn the game. That's not fun for anyone involved. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > 1. MULTIPLAYER game removing the ability to play with friends? Check. > > > > > 2. Primary TEAM based gamemode removing the ability to form teams? Check. > > > > > 3. Killing off and completely nullifying the formation of EVERY single PvP guild in a single, terrible decision? Check. > > > > > > > > Just so we are clear... basically you two are saying Forget the overwhelming results cuz your votes don't count ........but ours voice does. > > > > o...k! > > > > > > The results are unreliable because the poll was for a trial and also came with the promise of a post season poll. Had they been upfront that it was actually going to be permanent, perhaps the results would be way different. > > > > > > A super point made by shadow was that they killed off PVP guilds. Bravo. Do you think that increased the player base or decreased it? It sure sucked to see your pvp guild be killed off in a misleading poll. > > > > I chuckle & laugh every time someone tell's me voting results are unreliable & misleading excuses when they lost. Tel me, if results wher reverse would it be the same? & if it's that unreliable why vote in the first place? > > Same! LMAO > > Isn't it really funny when people blamed their losses on 5 mans? LOOOL it gets me every time. HAHA haha HAha haHA ha! ..sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentfir.7430 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > @"BMW.2951" said: > > Nope this would break the game completely and would scream balance issues. > > > > How would you like to fight a premade team that is all in voice coms that is all mesmers or all necros and knows how to rotate properly. > > > > This wouldn't be fun at all. This would make people leave PvP even more man. The system they have now is fine for ranked pvp. > > But we are not asking to play against solo q. > > Right now, ranked is pretty much random arenas from guild wars 1, except it has a leader board. > > Some of us want a Heroes Ascent style, team style, or GVG style sPvP mode with prestige and rewards. With the understanding we play against other teams. The argument that there is unranked or tournaments for team play has been effectively refuted. > > I understand the solo q'r perspesctive. They want to play alone against other solo q in a random match to fight for a top spot. > > But look at it from our perspective. We want to play with friends on a team against another team in a structured system with rewards and prestige or glory or whatever. > > We don't want to just go into the meaningless unranked against whatever or casuals or people proving their builds. > > Tournaments do not help everyone who wants to play together. Some guilds have practically global player base. > > They should do something for the players who want to play teams. > > > Yes, we would leave solo q ranked in a heartbeat for something like this. > > Solo q can keep their game mode. > > Edit: And the cool thing about this is that solo q'r would not be excluded. They would just need to form a team. You hit the nail on the head with this post. This right here, is what solo queuers support. There are agendas getting mixed up on the side of premade queue supporting. One side wants legitimate team/guild competition a challenge for both sides on equal footing. An outlet to grow their team or guild and improve. The other is trying to disguise the "Playing with friends" reasoning (most people using this) for the return of old mixed matchmaking to allow premades the ability to fight groups formed from RNG and call it competative.going as far as to keep quoting "Anet said premades lost to pugs 50% of the time." to try reinforce their argument why it should be returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 > @"Lucentfir.7430" said: > > @"Crab Fear.1624" said: > > > @"BMW.2951" said: > > > Nope this would break the game completely and would scream balance issues. > > > > > > How would you like to fight a premade team that is all in voice coms that is all mesmers or all necros and knows how to rotate properly. > > > > > > This wouldn't be fun at all. This would make people leave PvP even more man. The system they have now is fine for ranked pvp. > > > > But we are not asking to play against solo q. > > > > Right now, ranked is pretty much random arenas from guild wars 1, except it has a leader board. > > > > Some of us want a Heroes Ascent style, team style, or GVG style sPvP mode with prestige and rewards. With the understanding we play against other teams. The argument that there is unranked or tournaments for team play has been effectively refuted. > > > > I understand the solo q'r perspesctive. They want to play alone against other solo q in a random match to fight for a top spot. > > > > But look at it from our perspective. We want to play with friends on a team against another team in a structured system with rewards and prestige or glory or whatever. > > > > We don't want to just go into the meaningless unranked against whatever or casuals or people proving their builds. > > > > Tournaments do not help everyone who wants to play together. Some guilds have practically global player base. > > > > They should do something for the players who want to play teams. > > > > > > Yes, we would leave solo q ranked in a heartbeat for something like this. > > > > Solo q can keep their game mode. > > > > Edit: And the cool thing about this is that solo q'r would not be excluded. They would just need to form a team. > > You hit the nail on the head with this post. This right here, is what solo queuers support. There are agendas getting mixed up on the side of premade queue supporting. One side wants legitimate team/guild competition a challenge for both sides on equal footing. An outlet to grow their team or guild and improve. The other is trying to disguise the "Playing with friends" reasoning (most people using this) for the return of old mixed matchmaking to allow premades the ability to fight groups formed from RNG and call it competative.going as far as to keep quoting "Anet said premades lost to pugs 50% of the time." to try reinforce their argument why it should be returned. I think there is a group out there that hopes to get teams back into ranked for devious reasons. I can see a new super form of wintrading. I imagined if teams were unpopular and they were on the same leaderboard. Oh my gosh. I support a team only game mode with zero possibility of playing solo q and a different leaderboard/ tier list. God of PvP and the like is for Random Arenas...err I mean ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > >  >  >  >  > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > LOL I agree. They should totally drag this kind of e-sports balance back into ranked again so there will be no way to avoid it. :) /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentfir.7430 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > LOL You lack comprehension of the point of the post. The guy wasn't mad about being outmatched, but rather the premade decided to unnecessarily extend the game longer than it needed to be, because the other side(premade) just steamrolled and spawn camped them without capping anything until near the end of the match. Not appropriate to report them for match manipulation but it was for sure unnecessary and kinda unsportsmanlike. Also this works more against the premade against solos ranked environment argument if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 > @"Kako.1930" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > > > LOL > > I agree. They should totally drag this kind of e-sports balance back into ranked again so there will be no way to avoid it. :) /s The imbalance only exists because people in unranked are queuing on builds that aren't competitve and are mostly looking to do thier dailies.... Then they get matched against a premade that have real builds. This is the result of players with real builds facing off against players looking to do dailies.  These situations wouldn't happen in ranked team queue because everyone would be playing to win and would be using real builds. Unfortunately, the only way for vets to play with each other is in unranked, against new players trying to learn the game.... Can't imagine them coming back anytime soon but that's ok because PvP is flourishing, we don't need more players in the mists do we? End of the day, Crab has a point... We voted for a trial run with the promise of a post season poll... It's not too late for that re-poll either... Both team queue and solo queue players are 100% positive of the outcome, but only team queue players are willing to visit the repoll, which says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 > @"sephiroth.4217" said: > > @"Kako.1930" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > > > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > > > > > LOL > > > > I agree. They should totally drag this kind of e-sports balance back into ranked again so there will be no way to avoid it. :) /s > > The imbalance only exists because people in unranked are queuing on builds that aren't competitve and are mostly looking to do thier dailies.... Then they get matched against a premade that have real builds. > > This is the result of players with real builds facing off against players looking to do dailies. >  > > > These situations wouldn't happen in ranked team queue because everyone would be playing to win and would be using real builds. > > Unfortunately, the only way for vets to play with each other is in unranked, against new players trying to learn the game.... Can't imagine them coming back anytime soon but that's ok because PvP is flourishing, we don't need more players in the mists do we? > > > End of the day, Crab has a point... We voted for a trial run with the promise of a post season poll... It's not too late for that re-poll either... > Both team queue and solo queue players are 100% positive of the outcome, but only team queue players are willing to visit the repoll, which says it all really. That's just your assumption that they're all playing mediocre builds, and an excuse to back up the return of what had already been failing for years. I could just as easily claim that the only reason your team farmed them so badly was that they were all solos and you were in a full premade with comms. I'm not against adding a full team vs team only mode, but we really don't need to bring back that garbage. Also, of course the only ones willing to return to the repoll are those that want a return of pug vs premade or those that haven't played long enough to know what that was like. They're the only ones who would either benefit by being able to easily farm pugs again or are too clueless to know what they'd really be voting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 > @"Kako.1930" said: > > @"sephiroth.4217" said: > > > @"Kako.1930" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > > > > > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > > > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > > > > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > I agree. They should totally drag this kind of e-sports balance back into ranked again so there will be no way to avoid it. :) /s > > > > The imbalance only exists because people in unranked are queuing on builds that aren't competitve and are mostly looking to do thier dailies.... Then they get matched against a premade that have real builds. > > > > This is the result of players with real builds facing off against players looking to do dailies. > >  > > > > > > These situations wouldn't happen in ranked team queue because everyone would be playing to win and would be using real builds. > > > > Unfortunately, the only way for vets to play with each other is in unranked, against new players trying to learn the game.... Can't imagine them coming back anytime soon but that's ok because PvP is flourishing, we don't need more players in the mists do we? > > > > > > End of the day, Crab has a point... We voted for a trial run with the promise of a post season poll... It's not too late for that re-poll either... > > Both team queue and solo queue players are 100% positive of the outcome, but only team queue players are willing to visit the repoll, which says it all really. > > That's just your assumption that they're all playing mediocre builds, and an excuse to back up the return of what had already been failing for years. I could just as easily claim that the only reason your team farmed them so badly was that they were all solos and you were in a full premade with comms. > > I'm not against adding a full team vs team only mode, but we really don't need to bring back that garbage. Also, of course the only ones willing to return to the repoll are those that want a return of pug vs premade or those that haven't played long enough to know what that was like. They're the only ones who would either benefit by being able to easily farm pugs again or are too clueless to know what they'd really be voting for. I’m only in support of team vs team. Thanks for not being against it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 > @"Kako.1930" said: > > @"sephiroth.4217" said: > > > @"Kako.1930" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > This is what happens when a 5 man goes into unranked. > > > > > > > > > @"ParanoidKami.2867" said: > > > > > Sorry for the all caps title, but kinda annoyed :s > > > > > > > > > > Was in unranked and went against a 5 man premade team that never capped any points. They all used high burst builds and solely went around killing everyone to the point that we were all stuck in base. They then just taunted us in chat until the timer ran out. We all just stood in base and some got kicked for not moving for so long. Since we were all just waiting for the timer to go down and couldn't do anything. I reported them all for match manipulation, but am not sure if that will work or not. They said they were going to continue doing this in more matches so I thought I would make a post here in hopes a dev will see it. I'll attach screenshots. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > How do you embed images? It just shows the links > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > I agree. They should totally drag this kind of e-sports balance back into ranked again so there will be no way to avoid it. :) /s > > > > The imbalance only exists because people in unranked are queuing on builds that aren't competitve and are mostly looking to do thier dailies.... Then they get matched against a premade that have real builds. > > > > This is the result of players with real builds facing off against players looking to do dailies. > >  > > > > > > These situations wouldn't happen in ranked team queue because everyone would be playing to win and would be using real builds. > > > > Unfortunately, the only way for vets to play with each other is in unranked, against new players trying to learn the game.... Can't imagine them coming back anytime soon but that's ok because PvP is flourishing, we don't need more players in the mists do we? > > > > > > End of the day, Crab has a point... We voted for a trial run with the promise of a post season poll... It's not too late for that re-poll either... > > Both team queue and solo queue players are 100% positive of the outcome, but only team queue players are willing to visit the repoll, which says it all really. > > That's just your assumption that they're all playing mediocre builds, and an excuse to back up the return of what had already been failing for years. I could just as easily claim that the only reason your team farmed them so badly was that they were all solos and you were in a full premade with comms. > > I'm not against adding a full team vs team only mode, but we really don't need to bring back that garbage. Also, of course the only ones willing to return to the repoll are those that want a return of pug vs premade or those that haven't played long enough to know what that was like. They're the only ones who would either benefit by being able to easily farm pugs again or are too clueless to know what they'd really be voting for. It's not an assumption that they're playing mediocre builds when I see a Water Spirit on the field or something of a like, It becomes pretty obvious actually. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite happy farming the other team at spawn, I just think it's unhealthy for the mists population overall to be putting veteran friends who queue together against a team of newbies because that's our only option. (AT's don't run at optimal times for AUS) I played long enough to know what it was like, I remember community PvP guilds. I remember people recruiting for guild scrims. I remember queing up with a team and facing off another team within my own guild and also teaching the newer players we recruited, I remember queing up as a team and going against another guild only to have 3 or 4 rematches in hotjoin afterwards... I remember a community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math.5123 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 [https://imgur.com/a/YkG5Fpo](https://imgur.com/a/YkG5Fpo "https://imgur.com/a/YkG5Fpo") These are just some examples of teams losing against either lesser teams or full Solos. These are during this last season, showing that it's still very much possible to beat teams as solos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skittledness.5106 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Teams should only face other teams and increase rewards to compensate for longer que times ofc. Separate team leaderboard could be cool too where you needed to same 5 ppl from the original roster in order to get placed on lb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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