Ithilwen.1529 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear silver division player: Thanks for the laugh! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were skillful enough to use your classes full potential, you would have noticed that you can do an almost perfect rotation of range, distorsion and evades while spamming and shatter stuff. Even if your opponent tracks you for about 90% of the fight (which is super easy but useless), it is impossible to pressure you enough to force you into defense (and create momentum) or even kill you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This class has more training wheels than warrior ever had. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silver Division player? Yes, proudly so. I fought my way from Bronze 1 to Silver 3, learning the hard way at every step. This is in spite of having physical problems with my left hand and the fact that I choose to play a core Mesmer, ( partly in protest of the way Chronomancer was treated with respect to nerfs and alacrity and partly simply because I like core Mesmer. ) I hope to be in Gold next season. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the rest; **Let me put it this way, I can beat a Mirage or Chronomancer as often as not on a core Mesmer. I A SILVER DIVISION PLAYER can force them into defensive mode and often intimidate them on a core class.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the thing though, you are only up against SILVER Mirages and Chronomancers who most likely have no idea what they are doing. The POTENTIAL of mirages and chronomancers are much higher compared to other classes in the hands of a good player. Have an equally good player use a different class such as Ele or Rev and they wont do as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not true. I often play unranked and play against all ranks of players. *In fact I have a recent screenshot of myself, having just killed a certain ex-esl engineer and standing over the body.* https://www.dropbox.com/s/972gfyfnqaup0tw/Chaith%20Kill.jpg?dl=0 ( Note the build and my health. I'm nowhere near as unskilled as some posters here have implied. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mirage is nowhere near as powerful as it's made out to be. The fact that some dislike playing against it is not justification for a nerf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try it in a 1v1 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just stomped Chaithh after the thief downed him in a **team fight**. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That screenshot literally means nothing. Record a video of yourself 1v1ing him. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I killed him when he over extended in a team fight. Did I 1v1? No, I used the tactical situation to my advantage and trashed him when he was vulnerable. *That's an aspect of skilled play.* > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an NPC in HoTM that paraphrases Tsun Tsu. The actual quote, (Jame Clavell's translation, ) is: "He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight." > > > > > > > > > > I hope you realize you're a perfect example of [Dunning-Kruger Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect). > > > > > > > > > > - "In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is." > > > > > - "The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence." > > > > > > > > > > This is proven simply because you are in SILVER yet mistaken believe your skill is higher than it really is. The game obviously perceives you as a bad player. Hence, by you saying you "trashed him when he was vulnerable... an aspect of skilled play." is a flat out lie. Especially when the screenshot shows Jhene Aiko as the one who downed Chaith, and you as the one who cleaved his downed body/stomped him. > > > > > > > > The thief and I worked together. As a skilled team. That screen shot shows the final instant. The fact that I cleaved/stomped doesn't changed the fact that I brought him to the state to be downed to begin with. > > > > > > Okay, first off, the fact that it took **TWO** of you to down Chaith is proof enough. > > > > > > Second, words mean nothing and unless you provide video evidence of you "beating" him, no one will believe you and/or take you seriously. > > > > > > Again, you're a perfect example of the [Dunning-Kruger Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect). > > > > As you can easily observe, this was the first team fight, at mid. **Of course there were multiple players involved on both sides.** Of course, I exercised tactical judgement and jumped on that engineer when I knew I could take him out. That's known as "skill." > > Nope, it doesn't take much skill to to gang up on a guy and spam bursts at him from all directions. That's just called having a good opportunity, which most players with a good game sense will do. Skill is where you outplayed him in a fair fight. There was no gang up. It was a mid fight, the first of the game. I out played him, as evidenced by the fact that he wound up dead. If anything, the match was stacked against me, the other team had higher rated players. ~ But to return to the point of the discussion of that photo ~ I do in fact have credible skills and am qualified to comment. That was the entire point of the photo discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > Dear silver division player: Thanks for the laugh! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were skillful enough to use your classes full potential, you would have noticed that you can do an almost perfect rotation of range, distorsion and evades while spamming and shatter stuff. Even if your opponent tracks you for about 90% of the fight (which is super easy but useless), it is impossible to pressure you enough to force you into defense (and create momentum) or even kill you. > > > > > > > > > > > > This class has more training wheels than warrior ever had. > > > > > > > > > > Silver Division player? Yes, proudly so. I fought my way from Bronze 1 to Silver 3, learning the hard way at every step. This is in spite of having physical problems with my left hand and the fact that I choose to play a core Mesmer, ( partly in protest of the way Chronomancer was treated with respect to nerfs and alacrity and partly simply because I like core Mesmer. ) I hope to be in Gold next season. > > > > > > > > > > For the rest; **Let me put it this way, I can beat a Mirage or Chronomancer as often as not on a core Mesmer. I A SILVER DIVISION PLAYER can force them into defensive mode and often intimidate them on a core class.** > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > > > Here is the thing though, you are only up against SILVER Mirages and Chronomancers who most likely have no idea what they are doing. The POTENTIAL of mirages and chronomancers are much higher compared to other classes in the hands of a good player. Have an equally good player use a different class such as Ele or Rev and they wont do as well. > > > > > > Not true. I often play unranked and play against all ranks of players. *In fact I have a recent screenshot of myself, having just killed a certain ex-esl engineer and standing over the body.* https://www.dropbox.com/s/972gfyfnqaup0tw/Chaith%20Kill.jpg?dl=0 ( Note the build and my health. I'm nowhere near as unskilled as some posters here have implied. ) > > > > > > Mirage is nowhere near as powerful as it's made out to be. The fact that some dislike playing against it is not justification for a nerf. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so you can understand, try playing mirage and see where that gets you. Next, study revenant, ele, or any other class, and see if you can achieve the same results. It seems you are misunderstanding how a potential of a class or build works. If I play mirage or chrono, given a set amount of time and practice, I will most likely perform MUCH better when compared to spending the same (if not more) amount of time on other classes. That's the thing, a player doesn't have to be as skilled as me to beat me if they are using mirage, they can spam bursts and disengage for cooldowns. It is much the same way why people hate scourges. > > Ah, but that's just the point. I don't agree that Mirage or Chrono is anywhere near as easy to play as say... sb or Scourge. Yes, Mirage is capable of really ripping it up... but it takes considerable skill and practice, more than for other classes. "Difficulty" of a certain class/specialization means nothing once you get to platinum or higher. Again, these artificial barriers only take effect in the extremely low divisions such as gold, silver, and bronze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahyos.1437 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > @"Kahyos.1437" said: > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > Dear silver division player: Thanks for the laugh! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were skillful enough to use your classes full potential, you would have noticed that you can do an almost perfect rotation of range, distorsion and evades while spamming and shatter stuff. Even if your opponent tracks you for about 90% of the fight (which is super easy but useless), it is impossible to pressure you enough to force you into defense (and create momentum) or even kill you. > > > > > > > > > > > > This class has more training wheels than warrior ever had. > > > > > > > > > > Silver Division player? Yes, proudly so. I fought my way from Bronze 1 to Silver 3, learning the hard way at every step. This is in spite of having physical problems with my left hand and the fact that I choose to play a core Mesmer, ( partly in protest of the way Chronomancer was treated with respect to nerfs and alacrity and partly simply because I like core Mesmer. ) I hope to be in Gold next season. > > > > > > > > > > For the rest; **Let me put it this way, I can beat a Mirage or Chronomancer as often as not on a core Mesmer. I A SILVER DIVISION PLAYER can force them into defensive mode and often intimidate them on a core class.** > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > > > > > Here is the thing though, you are only up against SILVER Mirages and Chronomancers who most likely have no idea what they are doing. The POTENTIAL of mirages and chronomancers are much higher compared to other classes in the hands of a good player. Have an equally good player use a different class such as Ele or Rev and they wont do as well. > > > > > > Not true. I often play unranked and play against all ranks of players. *In fact I have a recent screenshot of myself, having just killed a certain ex-esl engineer and standing over the body.* https://www.dropbox.com/s/972gfyfnqaup0tw/Chaith%20Kill.jpg?dl=0 ( Note the build and my health. I'm nowhere near as unskilled as some posters here have implied. ) > > > > > > Mirage is nowhere near as powerful as it's made out to be. The fact that some dislike playing against it is not justification for a nerf. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so you can understand, try playing mirage and see where that gets you. Next, study revenant, ele, or any other class, and see if you can achieve the same results. It seems you are misunderstanding how a potential of a class or build works. If I play mirage or chrono, given a set amount of time and practice, I will most likely perform MUCH better when compared to spending the same (if not more) amount of time on other classes. That's the thing, a player doesn't have to be as skilled as me to beat me if they are using mirage, they can spam bursts and disengage for cooldowns. It is much the same way why people hate scourges. > > Ah, but that's just the point. I don't agree that Mirage or Chrono is anywhere near as easy to play as say... sb or Scourge. Yes, Mirage is capable of really ripping it up... but it takes considerable skill and practice, more than for other classes. We can agree to disagree. Mesmer is hard if your totally new (like just installed the game), but experienced players wont find it hard practicing a few combos and builds. It cant be cced with EM, has stealth, has blink, and has high damage. As I mentioned, try out different classes, and see how successful you'll be. That's how you see which are OP and which are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"bravan.3876" said: > Anet is about to split skills for wvw/ pvp and pve, all i said is ofc only meant for pvp/wvw, and no you pls don't reduce the zerker dmg because of a new stupid trait gives you now 2 zerker. And the trait says 2 zerker but they do 50% less dmg each so the over all dmg from both is the same like one zerker without that trait (not included that 2 zerker have a better chance to crit than only one ofc). The double zerker trait is just stupid because it leads to more screen clutter and gives to much access to clones. Telegraphed skills don't help when you have to take care of 6 (with your proposal) or even more illusions up and the player itself. In conquest when you are maybe even in a teamfight with more than one opponent it gets even worse, you need to be a robot to take care of everyhting that happens on screen with only one mesmer in teamfight and "only" 6 Illusions up. As said i play mesmer as third most played class myself often enough and i can understand that it is annoying to play against the phantasm spam builds and can understand that ppl get hit by phantasm skills no matter how telegraphed they maybe are. You would be alot smarter if you would read what i wrote about each phantasms but why would you , Dunning-Kruger Effect kicks in and you know about mesmer more than anyone ! In teamfight amount of cc/cleave insane amount of such things, mesmer gotta pray for his phantasms wont die instant,honestly . That diviner mesmer under focus of 2 people dying instant , if you dont want to think on your own ,no worries, im here to help ! Put target on mesmer and send him on respawn in a seconds ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravan.3876 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > Zerker did get a buff when the Gs GM trait is taken as you two zerker doing 50% more damage. > > > Anet would have to revert phantasm changes across all game modes and that is highly unlikely. So you’re best bet is to add a limit of the number of phantasm. 3 is a solid number as it accounts for having one set be two handed and the other a main and off hand. > > > Swordsman not as strong as made out because it’s highly telegraphed. Disenchanter bounces and strips boons so it’s strong. How people are getting hit with defender is confusing to be but whatever. Staff phantasms are fine as they are. > > > > > > So in short, you need to come up with a better idea than reverting because it’s not going to happen. The PvE outcry would be more than Anet would want to put up with and they’ve stated they can split functions. When you want to have a logical conversation about it let me know. > > > > Anet is about to split skills for wvw/ pvp and pve, all i said is ofc only meant for pvp/wvw, and no you pls don't reduce the zerker dmg because of a new stupid trait gives you now 2 zerker. And the trait says 2 zerker but they do 50% less dmg each so the over all dmg from both is the same like one zerker without that trait (not included that 2 zerker have a better chance to crit than only one ofc). The double zerker trait is just stupid because it leads to more screen clutter and gives to much access to clones. Telegraphed skills don't help when you have to take care of 6 (with your proposal) or even more illusions up and the player itself. In conquest when you are maybe even in a teamfight with more than one opponent it gets even worse, you need to be a robot to take care of everyhting that happens on screen with only one mesmer in teamfight and "only" 6 Illusions up. As said i play mesmer as third most played class myself often enough and i can understand that it is annoying to play against the phantasm spam builds and can understand that ppl get hit by phantasm skills no matter how telegraphed they maybe are. > > I think you’re getting confused by what they’re actually splitting vs what you want split. You want the FUNCTION of it split. They can’t do that. Confusion is the most obvious thing presently. It still has a small passive tick in PvP because they can’t have it only tick on skill use in PvP and have passive tick in PvE. Therefore they can’t have a the old illusion set up and maintain the new in PvE. It’s a coding issue. Which means you have to come up with an idea that fits into the new skill. It is not possible to make the new phantasm rule not broken in any pvp/wvw scenario i can imagine atm. Then they should revert the rule back in pve too (except that phantasm still turn into clones after one attack) and give some compensation in pve for that, like higher dmg or something that is possible to split. Not that i think a pure npc build leads in the players more or less only autoattack through the content during 3 perma phantams do the job need a replacement but ofc mesmer should be playable in pve nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravan.3876 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Odik.4587" said: > > @"bravan.3876" said: > You are beyond salvation ,not even joking ...You are from NA right ? I wouldnt be surprised at all given how much hate i get just by simply showing your absurd claims that clearly show how delusional you are about your so called 'understanding the class' . No i am not NA and sry but the way you argue here make you just look like a player being afraid that he need to switch to another op and ez class again when mesmer gets the deserved nerfs. I will not talk any further with you, because i am sure that will never leads anywhere sensefull anyway. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > *In fact I have a recent screenshot of myself, having just killed a certain ex-esl engineer and standing over the body.* https://www.dropbox.com/s/972gfyfnqaup0tw/Chaith%20Kill.jpg?dl=0 ( Note the build and my health. I'm nowhere near as unskilled as some posters here have implied. ) I don't have a horse in this race either way but 2v1ing a medium armor class with a mesmer and a thief is not skill, its opportunism. Doing something not-horribly does not mean you are skillful. In most cases, merely knowing what your buttons do will allow you to win an outnumbered match. I will shelve the questions about why this was screenshot worthy out of common decency, but I wanted to mention that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"bravan.3876" said: > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > > > Zerker did get a buff when the Gs GM trait is taken as you two zerker doing 50% more damage. > > > > Anet would have to revert phantasm changes across all game modes and that is highly unlikely. So you’re best bet is to add a limit of the number of phantasm. 3 is a solid number as it accounts for having one set be two handed and the other a main and off hand. > > > > Swordsman not as strong as made out because it’s highly telegraphed. Disenchanter bounces and strips boons so it’s strong. How people are getting hit with defender is confusing to be but whatever. Staff phantasms are fine as they are. > > > > > > > > So in short, you need to come up with a better idea than reverting because it’s not going to happen. The PvE outcry would be more than Anet would want to put up with and they’ve stated they can split functions. When you want to have a logical conversation about it let me know. > > > > > > Anet is about to split skills for wvw/ pvp and pve, all i said is ofc only meant for pvp/wvw, and no you pls don't reduce the zerker dmg because of a new stupid trait gives you now 2 zerker. And the trait says 2 zerker but they do 50% less dmg each so the over all dmg from both is the same like one zerker without that trait (not included that 2 zerker have a better chance to crit than only one ofc). The double zerker trait is just stupid because it leads to more screen clutter and gives to much access to clones. Telegraphed skills don't help when you have to take care of 6 (with your proposal) or even more illusions up and the player itself. In conquest when you are maybe even in a teamfight with more than one opponent it gets even worse, you need to be a robot to take care of everyhting that happens on screen with only one mesmer in teamfight and "only" 6 Illusions up. As said i play mesmer as third most played class myself often enough and i can understand that it is annoying to play against the phantasm spam builds and can understand that ppl get hit by phantasm skills no matter how telegraphed they maybe are. > > > > I think you’re getting confused by what they’re actually splitting vs what you want split. You want the FUNCTION of it split. They can’t do that. Confusion is the most obvious thing presently. It still has a small passive tick in PvP because they can’t have it only tick on skill use in PvP and have passive tick in PvE. Therefore they can’t have a the old illusion set up and maintain the new in PvE. It’s a coding issue. Which means you have to come up with an idea that fits into the new skill. > > It is not possible to make the new phantasm rule not broken in any pvp/wvw scenario i can imagine atm. Then they should revert the rule back in pve too (except that phantasm still turn into clones after one attack) and give some compensation in pve for that, like higher dmg or something that is possible to split. Not that i think a pure npc build leads in the players more or less only autattack through the content during 3 perma phantams do the job need a replacement but ofc mesmer should be playable in pve nonetheless. You apparently have a hard time understanding this so I’ll explain it once more. They cannot have split functions. Period end of story. This means they can’t have phantasms turn to clones in PvE and not PvP. This means that they go back to the old mechanic, not going to happen, or leave it as is. Now, I offered a suggestion that would help the issue. I didn’t say fix but help. Being limited to three phantasms will reduce screen clutter compared to what we currently have. If you have possible solutions then I’d love to hear them. But saying they need to split the function is ridiculous and not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 @Topic: All they have to do is tone down the damage the phantasms themselves can do, and potentially cap the phantasms as well. We can deal with GS shatter later or not at all, I don't care about it at this point. I genuinely don't understand how, the moment Mesmer receives any kind of nerf or balance attempt to try to temper how it performs, they immediately receive another mechanic that puts them right back to overwhelming again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > @Topic: > > All they have to do is tone down the damage the phantasms themselves can do, and potentially cap the phantasms as well. > > I genuinely don't understand how, the moment Mesmer receives any kind of nerf or balance attempt to try to temper how it performs, they immediately receive another mechanic that puts them right back to overwhelming again. > > My suggestion has been to start with a 10-15% nerf to the main 4 phantasms base damage and cap phantasms at three. So total you could three clones and three phantasms. That reduces visual clutter and AoE can easily clear clones so if played right you’d only be facing three phantasms with highly telegraphed attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravan.3876 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > > > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > > > > Mesmer still can only have 3 not shattered clones at the same time, the problem is the phantasm spam not the clone spam. Is it so hard to understand??? Clones are not phantasms! > > > > > > > > Phantasm spam leads to the clutter on screen and is combined with the ridiculous high dmg they do on their one attack. Phantasm skills will get higher cd with the planned nerfs but that is not enough. They need to count into the max of 3 illusions up rules again and should get shattered also before they finished their one attack. They still can turn into clones after one attack but they don't need to make exorbitant dmg on this one attack, because no shattermes let phantasms live longer than for one attack anyway. Means: revert 2 of the 3 changes Anet did to phantams and nerf the dmg of most of the phantasmskills. This is spoken only for PvP and WvW. I don't know if it helps to write this that often to higher the chance of Anet think about it but why not try... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or cap clone to 3 and phantasm to 3 for a total of six illusions total. Currently the issue is you can have 6 phantasms using just traited Gs, f5 and SoE. Limit it to only having three of each retains the clones ability to attack when running mirage and the screen won’t be as cluttered. Then reduce the damage on phantasm *slightly*. Too much and they’ll be useless. A 10-15% reduction on the base damage for sword, zerker, defender, and disenchanter would be a good place to start. Otherwise... I wouldn’t mess with anything outside what they are already doing other than add a 10 sec cd to the stun break portion of elusive mind rather than exhaustion or remove to stun break and compensate it with something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Zerker didn't get buffed and don't need a nerf, it makes the same dmg it does since release of the game. Utility phantasm and sword offhand are the biggest issues, also staff with 2 phantasms now is just too much. And no, already 6 Illusions up is too much clutter and broken. On a moving target where phantasms and clones have to run and don't cast/shatter right from start you will still see tons of illusions out and even 6 is already too much and i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Zerker did get a buff when the Gs GM trait is taken as you two zerker doing 50% more damage. > > > > > Anet would have to revert phantasm changes across all game modes and that is highly unlikely. So you’re best bet is to add a limit of the number of phantasm. 3 is a solid number as it accounts for having one set be two handed and the other a main and off hand. > > > > > Swordsman not as strong as made out because it’s highly telegraphed. Disenchanter bounces and strips boons so it’s strong. How people are getting hit with defender is confusing to be but whatever. Staff phantasms are fine as they are. > > > > > > > > > > So in short, you need to come up with a better idea than reverting because it’s not going to happen. The PvE outcry would be more than Anet would want to put up with and they’ve stated they can split functions. When you want to have a logical conversation about it let me know. > > > > > > > > Anet is about to split skills for wvw/ pvp and pve, all i said is ofc only meant for pvp/wvw, and no you pls don't reduce the zerker dmg because of a new stupid trait gives you now 2 zerker. And the trait says 2 zerker but they do 50% less dmg each so the over all dmg from both is the same like one zerker without that trait (not included that 2 zerker have a better chance to crit than only one ofc). The double zerker trait is just stupid because it leads to more screen clutter and gives to much access to clones. Telegraphed skills don't help when you have to take care of 6 (with your proposal) or even more illusions up and the player itself. In conquest when you are maybe even in a teamfight with more than one opponent it gets even worse, you need to be a robot to take care of everyhting that happens on screen with only one mesmer in teamfight and "only" 6 Illusions up. As said i play mesmer as third most played class myself often enough and i can understand that it is annoying to play against the phantasm spam builds and can understand that ppl get hit by phantasm skills no matter how telegraphed they maybe are. > > > > > > I think you’re getting confused by what they’re actually splitting vs what you want split. You want the FUNCTION of it split. They can’t do that. Confusion is the most obvious thing presently. It still has a small passive tick in PvP because they can’t have it only tick on skill use in PvP and have passive tick in PvE. Therefore they can’t have a the old illusion set up and maintain the new in PvE. It’s a coding issue. Which means you have to come up with an idea that fits into the new skill. > > > > It is not possible to make the new phantasm rule not broken in any pvp/wvw scenario i can imagine atm. Then they should revert the rule back in pve too (except that phantasm still turn into clones after one attack) and give some compensation in pve for that, like higher dmg or something that is possible to split. Not that i think a pure npc build leads in the players more or less only autattack through the content during 3 perma phantams do the job need a replacement but ofc mesmer should be playable in pve nonetheless. > > You apparently have a hard time understanding this so I’ll explain it once more. They cannot have split functions. Period end of story. This means they can’t have phantasms turn to clones in PvE and not PvP. This means that they go back to the old mechanic, not going to happen, or leave it as is. > Now, I offered a suggestion that would help the issue. I didn’t say fix but help. Being limited to three phantasms will reduce screen clutter compared to what we currently have. If you have possible solutions then I’d love to hear them. But saying they need to split the function is ridiculous and not possible. You did't read correct, i said they should revert the phantasm rule in all gamemode in the same way then. Means phantasm count into the max of 3 illusions and can be shattered even as phantaams, but they still turn into clones after one attack. This they do in ALL gamemodes. Anet wanted to stop player from deciding between let phantasms live or shatter, this decicion is deleted already by make phantams turn into clones after one attack. The other changes like phantasms do not count to clone limit anymore and do not get shattered were not needed in the first place. Phantams mes will be dead than also in pve for sure, but sry even in pve the player should play the content and not the AI. When mesmer don't have any viable dmg builds in pve anymore anet can split some skils like give shatters or phantasm attacks more dmg. This (dmg-) split is possible because done several times already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"bravan.3876" said: > No i am not NA and sry but the way you argue here make you just look like a player being afraid that he need to switch to another op and ez class again when mesmer gets the deserved nerfs. I will not talk any further with you, because i am sure that will never leads anywhere sensefull anyway. Have a nice day. None of your post had a small bit of sense ever. More like a player that just having fun ,laugh at all your statements . Especially fun one was that ONLY good mesmers insisted on playing gs burst builds...Executing same combo all over again is so hard and not boring at all..oh wait... > i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. Thats just came from a person that pretend to understand class ? Hell yes! Kindy ask @"Jace al Thor.6745" he is alrdy explaining pretty well . He said exaply what i did about phantasms and reverting phantasms back(i didnt make it directly,thats just been obvious they wont do it) but i guess we are both have no clue about mesmer. > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > @Topic: > > > > All they have to do is tone down the damage the phantasms themselves can do, and potentially cap the phantasms as well. > > > > I genuinely don't understand how, the moment Mesmer receives any kind of nerf or balance attempt to try to temper how it performs, they immediately receive another mechanic that puts them right back to overwhelming again. > > > > > > My suggestion has been to start with a 10-15% nerf to the main 4 phantasms base damage and cap phantasms at three. So total you could three clones and three phantasms. That reduces visual clutter and AoE can easily clear clones so if played right you’d only be facing three phantasms with highly telegraphed attacks. I would wait for nerf and see whats gonna happen after but I agree that would fine to nerf some phantasms damage(phantasmal force should give less damage so you wouldnt need to trait it) . If anet made frequent patches would be 1 million times easier to balance all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Odik.4587" said: > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > No i am not NA and sry but the way you argue here make you just look like a player being afraid that he need to switch to another op and ez class again when mesmer gets the deserved nerfs. I will not talk any further with you, because i am sure that will never leads anywhere sensefull anyway. Have a nice day. > > None of your post had a small bit of sense ever. > More like a player that just having fun ,laugh at all your statements . Especially fun one was that ONLY good mesmers insisted on playing gs burst builds...Executing same combo all over again is so hard and not boring at all..oh wait... > > i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > Thats just came from a person that pretend to understand class ? Hell yes! > Kindy ask @"Jace al Thor.6745" he is alrdy explaining pretty well . He said exaply what i did about phantasms and reverting phantasms back(i didnt make it directly,thats just been obvious they wont do it) but i guess we are both have no clue about mesmer. > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > @Topic: > > > > > > All they have to do is tone down the damage the phantasms themselves can do, and potentially cap the phantasms as well. > > > > > > I genuinely don't understand how, the moment Mesmer receives any kind of nerf or balance attempt to try to temper how it performs, they immediately receive another mechanic that puts them right back to overwhelming again. > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion has been to start with a 10-15% nerf to the main 4 phantasms base damage and cap phantasms at three. So total you could three clones and three phantasms. That reduces visual clutter and AoE can easily clear clones so if played right you’d only be facing three phantasms with highly telegraphed attacks. > I would wait for nerf and see whats gonna happen after but I agree that would fine to nerf some phantasms damage(phantasmal force should give less damage so you wouldnt need to trait it) . If anet made frequent patches would be 1 million times easier to balance all things I don’t feel that the upcoming balance patch is going o change the amount of complaints about phantasm spam. In fact I think they’ll increase as there won’t be as many passive procs happening. I would implement the 3 and 3 change first before doing any nerfs myself but I’m not in charge. More smaller, frequent patches would be better if they were small changes in skills. The problem is Anet likes to take hammers to everything and that’s not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odik.4587 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > @"Odik.4587" said: > > > @"bravan.3876" said: > > > > > No i am not NA and sry but the way you argue here make you just look like a player being afraid that he need to switch to another op and ez class again when mesmer gets the deserved nerfs. I will not talk any further with you, because i am sure that will never leads anywhere sensefull anyway. Have a nice day. > > > > None of your post had a small bit of sense ever. > > More like a player that just having fun ,laugh at all your statements . Especially fun one was that ONLY good mesmers insisted on playing gs burst builds...Executing same combo all over again is so hard and not boring at all..oh wait... > > > i don't see a single reason why phantasms shouldn't count into the max of 3 limit TOGETHER with clones anymore. > > Thats just came from a person that pretend to understand class ? Hell yes! > > Kindy ask @"Jace al Thor.6745" he is alrdy explaining pretty well . He said exaply what i did about phantasms and reverting phantasms back(i didnt make it directly,thats just been obvious they wont do it) but i guess we are both have no clue about mesmer. > > > @"Jace al Thor.6745" said: > > > > @"Azure The Heartless.3261" said: > > > > @Topic: > > > > > > > > All they have to do is tone down the damage the phantasms themselves can do, and potentially cap the phantasms as well. > > > > > > > > I genuinely don't understand how, the moment Mesmer receives any kind of nerf or balance attempt to try to temper how it performs, they immediately receive another mechanic that puts them right back to overwhelming again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion has been to start with a 10-15% nerf to the main 4 phantasms base damage and cap phantasms at three. So total you could three clones and three phantasms. That reduces visual clutter and AoE can easily clear clones so if played right you’d only be facing three phantasms with highly telegraphed attacks. > > I would wait for nerf and see whats gonna happen after but I agree that would fine to nerf some phantasms damage(phantasmal force should give less damage so you wouldnt need to trait it) . If anet made frequent patches would be 1 million times easier to balance all things > > I don’t feel that the upcoming balance patch is going o change the amount of complaints about phantasm spam. In fact I think they’ll increase as there won’t be as many passive procs happening. I would implement the 3 and 3 change first before doing any nerfs myself but I’m not in charge. > > More smaller, frequent patches would be better if they were small changes in skills. The problem is Anet likes to take hammers to everything and that’s not acceptable. They need tone down might generation on ALL classes so pushing damage to its limit would be harder . We all know how anet deal with buff/nerfs. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Pretty sure the dude is trolling lol, but feed away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes.4607 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Don't nerf traits, nerf each variants F abilities. Tee-hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelada.2947 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > The Mesmer redesign was expressly to force shattering. That requires that we have clones. So, ANET cannot reduce clones without either completely reverting the most recent redesign or utterly crippling Mesmer. > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > This is a learn to play issue. oh yeah let me focus that mesmer, block block block block, oh i can atack him now!!!, block block block block, 3 clones + 1 phantasm that hit's for 10k i'm death GG, against mirage is not that different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithilwen.1529 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 > @"michelada.2947" said: > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > The Mesmer redesign was expressly to force shattering. That requires that we have clones. So, ANET cannot reduce clones without either completely reverting the most recent redesign or utterly crippling Mesmer. > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > oh yeah let me focus that mesmer, block block block block, oh i can atack him now!!!, block block block block, 3 clones + 1 phantasm that hit's for 10k i'm death GG, against mirage is not that different. You need to dodge the shatter or use block/invulnerability. It has a very long tell , ( clones running at you. ) I'd venture it's even longer than the deadeye "Death's Judgement" tell in some instances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > Dear silver division player: Thanks for the laugh! > > > > > > If you were skillful enough to use your classes full potential, you would have noticed that you can do an almost perfect rotation of range, distorsion and evades while spamming and shatter stuff. Even if your opponent tracks you for about 90% of the fight (which is super easy but useless), it is impossible to pressure you enough to force you into defense (and create momentum) or even kill you. > > > > > > This class has more training wheels than warrior ever had. > > > > Silver Division player? Yes, proudly so. I fought my way from Bronze 1 to Silver 3, learning the hard way at every step. This is in spite of having physical problems with my left hand and the fact that I choose to play a core Mesmer, ( partly in protest of the way Chronomancer was treated with respect to nerfs and alacrity and partly simply because I like core Mesmer. ) I hope to be in Gold next season. > > > > For the rest; **Let me put it this way, I can beat a Mirage or Chronomancer as often as not on a core Mesmer. I A SILVER DIVISION PLAYER can force them into defensive mode and often intimidate them on a core class.** > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > Ohhhh. I've always wondered why your perceptions and thoughts never really made much sense. Seeing as how you're a silver player, I can now see why you say the things you do. > > Despite your physical limitations, you **are** a silver player. You obviously don't have any experience fighting against good players, hence why it always sounds like you're coming from a place of extreme inexperience. > > To put it simply, gold players are below average. Silver and bronze consist of players who really don't know what they're doing. It's in these divisions which you'll find people double capping points, 3 manning a beast, and/or generally have poor mechanics. Not trying to be mean, but you being able to beat a Mirage/Chrono in **SILVER** division as a core mesmer means absolutely nothing. Good players in plat 2 or higher can completely (and easily) destroy multiple players at the same time from the lower divisions. Even more so as a Mirage/Chronomancer. > > **This is why Anet should display rank badges next to players' forum names. This way it would be a lot easier to tell who to take seriously and who to not.** Because rank is forum validity? Most of the good players stopped ranked a few seasons ago and mostly stick to unranked and AT's... It's just the scraplings that are left that finally have a chance to be on the leader board that are still playing in that cesspool.... The desperate, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 > @"sephiroth.4217" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > @"KrHome.1920" said: > > > > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > Dear silver division player: Thanks for the laugh! > > > > > > > > If you were skillful enough to use your classes full potential, you would have noticed that you can do an almost perfect rotation of range, distorsion and evades while spamming and shatter stuff. Even if your opponent tracks you for about 90% of the fight (which is super easy but useless), it is impossible to pressure you enough to force you into defense (and create momentum) or even kill you. > > > > > > > > This class has more training wheels than warrior ever had. > > > > > > Silver Division player? Yes, proudly so. I fought my way from Bronze 1 to Silver 3, learning the hard way at every step. This is in spite of having physical problems with my left hand and the fact that I choose to play a core Mesmer, ( partly in protest of the way Chronomancer was treated with respect to nerfs and alacrity and partly simply because I like core Mesmer. ) I hope to be in Gold next season. > > > > > > For the rest; **Let me put it this way, I can beat a Mirage or Chronomancer as often as not on a core Mesmer. I A SILVER DIVISION PLAYER can force them into defensive mode and often intimidate them on a core class.** > > > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > > > Ohhhh. I've always wondered why your perceptions and thoughts never really made much sense. Seeing as how you're a silver player, I can now see why you say the things you do. > > > > Despite your physical limitations, you **are** a silver player. You obviously don't have any experience fighting against good players, hence why it always sounds like you're coming from a place of extreme inexperience. > > > > To put it simply, gold players are below average. Silver and bronze consist of players who really don't know what they're doing. It's in these divisions which you'll find people double capping points, 3 manning a beast, and/or generally have poor mechanics. Not trying to be mean, but you being able to beat a Mirage/Chrono in **SILVER** division as a core mesmer means absolutely nothing. Good players in plat 2 or higher can completely (and easily) destroy multiple players at the same time from the lower divisions. Even more so as a Mirage/Chronomancer. > > > > **This is why Anet should display rank badges next to players' forum names. This way it would be a lot easier to tell who to take seriously and who to not.** > > Because rank is forum validity? > Most of the good players stopped ranked a few seasons ago and mostly stick to unranked and AT's... It's just the scraplings that are left that finally have a chance to be on the leader board that are still playing in that cesspool.... The desperate, if you will. > > > > 100% agree that rank is idiotic. Not saying that we shouldn’t take what is being with s grain of salt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord.9074 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 It was a mistake to make so many mesmer traits baseline. I like the guy who says "ya thats because all 7 trait lines are good" Make the game easy when you have build diversity and no consequence for trait choice. Meanwhile I like the guy who says "Warrior is anets child" Sorry Anet never made anything on warrior baseline like fast hands to give them build diversity. Anet also nerfed warrior into the groud many times by making good traits compete with other good traits and flat out making elites like berserker useless. Low risk class easy game. cry more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > The Mesmer redesign was expressly to force shattering. That requires that we have clones. So, ANET cannot reduce clones without either completely reverting the most recent redesign or utterly crippling Mesmer. > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > This is a learn to play issue. Want to know what's a l2p issue? Playing something that isn't a Mesmer. Go try it out and let us know how it feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace al Thor.6745 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"Ithilwen.1529" said: > > The Mesmer redesign was expressly to force shattering. That requires that we have clones. So, ANET cannot reduce clones without either completely reverting the most recent redesign or utterly crippling Mesmer. > > > > It's about time that other players actually had to think to play against a Mesmer and target the real Mesmer instead of simply cleaving the clones with auto attack, ( or any type of aoe, ) and ignoring them. > > > > This is a learn to play issue. > > Want to know what's a l2p issue? Playing something that isn't a Mesmer. Go try it out and let us know how it feels. I played soul beast for a while the other day. Once I got used to merging it was fun to play and I don’t see why it isn’t used more. Well I do, Druid’s tanking ability is hard to beat. Oh and I played deadeye for a few matches and got bored of it pretty quick, I prefer d/p. Can’t forget scourge either. Scourge is... well we all know it’s ridiculous at the moment. The ability to lay AoE like it does in a conquest game mode is just silly. That’s about it though. I dislike guard, war, rev, engi and ele so don’t get on them much. Overall I feel like boons are out of control across all classes, expertise and concentration need removed from the game, conditions need an overhaul to be high intensity/low duration low intensity/high duration. Confounding suggestions needs either reworked or replaced with a different trait to eliminate the synergy between it, mental anguish, and MoD. Elusive Mind needs either an icd or the stun break removed and replaced with something else. Umm I feel that warrior is pigeoned holed into adrenal health and healing Signet which has too much synergy and the other heals need work. Also Sand Savant needs to be reworked to provide the Scourge with a benefit like stab rather than making shades huge. I could go on if you’d like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 **Sorry if it's been done before.** https://youtu.be/B-DpRcxK_N8[/YT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 You guys need to stop replying / taking seriously a silver player. It will be better for your health in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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