Any news on mesmer balance yet? I may have missed it

[Kraitan.8476]

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[Math.5123]

Nothing yet.

[apharma.3741]

As far as I heard next release will have something in it.

 

Edit: no I don’t know when that is before you ask.

[Miles Smiles.8951]

They working on it. Like beavers. Real damn hard. Tooth and nail. Should be ready by the end of June.

[Master Ketsu.4569]

At least another 6 months.

[Hoodie.1045]

Still waiting for disenchanter to get nerfed hard. I want that broken profession to get nerfed just like condi ebola warrior. For those that remember the nerfs that Berserker warrior received a few years ago, you'll know what I'm talking about. I want disenchanter to be nerfed that way, not just minor cooldown increases. That is not how you nerf professions.

[Ben Phongluangtham.1065]

We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

 

We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

 

Edit: Made explanation more clear.

[Lunateric.3708]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasms are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

>

> We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

>

> Edit: Made explanation more clear.

 

Is there a date for the next balance release?, I'm certain you get asked that often but can't hurt to ask again :anguished:

[Ben Phongluangtham.1065]

> @"Lunateric.3708" said:

> > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasms are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> >

> > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> >

> > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

>

> Is there a date for the next balance release?, I'm certain you get asked that often but can't hurt to ask again :anguished:

 

There is a date, but I can't say when.

[Kovu.7560]

Well. I mean. Its a start. =)

 

~ Kovu

[Panda.3620]

> @"Lunateric.3708" said:

> > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasms are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> >

> > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> >

> > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

>

> Is there a date for the next balance release?, I'm certain you get asked that often but can't hurt to ask again :anguished:

 

Each balance patch takes between two/three months.

 

Nerfs will be probably mesmer, necro, warr (?) and thief cause there is always thief nerf, nerfing thief each balance patch is almost religiously

[Lunateric.3708]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > @"Lunateric.3708" said:

> > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasms are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > >

> > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > >

> > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> >

> > Is there a date for the next balance release?, I'm certain you get asked that often but can't hurt to ask again :anguished:

>

> There is a date, but I can't say when.

 

Anything at all you are allowed to share with us about the subject?, Ben please!

[zoopop.5630]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

>

> We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

>

> Edit: Made explanation more clear.

 

Less spam, imo it’ll still be strong but a good direction to balancing.

[Nebilim.5127]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > @"Lunateric.3708" said:

> > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasms are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > >

> > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > >

> > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> >

> > Is there a date for the next balance release?, I'm certain you get asked that often but can't hurt to ask again :anguished:

>

> There is a date, but I can't say when.

 

Can you say if we will get the same skill split treatment of pvp for pve next time?(aka buff massively underused/useless skills to bring them in line)

[CETheLucid.3964]

> @"Panda.3620" said:

> and thief cause there is always thief nerf, nerfing thief each balance patch is almost religiously

And curiously, they still endure.

[OriOri.8724]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

>

> We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

>

> Edit: Made explanation more clear.

 

First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

 

Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

 

Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

[Arheundel.6451]

> @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> >

> > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> >

> > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

>

> First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

>

> Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

>

> Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

 

Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

[EpicTurtle.8571]

> @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > >

> > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > >

> > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> >

> > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> >

> > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> >

> > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

>

> Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

 

Closer to it than you'll get from this forum section.

[Arheundel.6451]

> @"EpicTurtle.8571" said:

> > @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > > >

> > > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > > >

> > > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> > >

> > > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> > >

> > > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> > >

> > > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

> >

> > Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

>

> Closer to it than you'll get from this forum section.

 

> @"EpicTurtle.8571" said:

> > @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > > >

> > > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > > >

> > > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> > >

> > > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> > >

> > > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> > >

> > > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

> >

> > Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

>

> Closer to it than you'll get from this forum section.

 

Then every other profession should receive the same treatment before receiving any nerf but here's the problem....subconsciously every player always try to retain that edge hence no objective feedback can related

[OriOri.8724]

> @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > >

> > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > >

> > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> >

> > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> >

> > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> >

> > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

>

> Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

 

Never used the words objective and unbiased, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

 

Besides, it was mesmer mains who were telling ANet that shit would be broken beyond belief before it was even introduced, back to before PoF launched. If they had listened to us, mesmer wouldn't be nearly as strong as it is right now. With everyone else crying about phantasm caps, it was mesmer mains who were pointing out that SotE and CP were the reason so many phantasms could be summoned in the first place. It was mesmer mains who were giving ideas as to how to address these issues, not you guys.

[EpicTurtle.8571]

> @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > @"EpicTurtle.8571" said:

> > > @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > > > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > > > >

> > > > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > > > >

> > > > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> > > >

> > > > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> > > >

> > > > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> > > >

> > > > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

> > >

> > > Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

> >

> > Closer to it than you'll get from this forum section.

>

> > @"EpicTurtle.8571" said:

> > > @"Arheundel.6451" said:

> > > > @"OriOri.8724" said:

> > > > > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > > > > We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

> > > > >

> > > > > We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

> > > > >

> > > > > Edit: Made explanation more clear.

> > > >

> > > > First, I really hope that isn't the biggest nerf you guys have in store.

> > > >

> > > > Second. Please for the love of joko look through the mesmer forums for suggestions on what to nerf. The last several balance patches you guys have completely ignored us when we told you what was overpowered and needed to be nerfed, and look where we are at now with mesmer.

> > > >

> > > > Third, please strongly consider putting up a list of the proposed mesmer nerfs at least one month in advance so you can get feedback on it, and then actually have time to act on that feedback, and get a second round of feedback, and act on that round too, before the changes are finalized.

> > >

> > > Objective and unbiased feedback?....that's a big promise, too big for a single individual to make

> >

> > Closer to it than you'll get from this forum section.

>

> Then every other profession should receive the same treatment before receiving any nerf but here's the problem....subconsciously every player always try to retain that edge hence no objective feedback can related

 

Yeah like Ori said, Mesmers actually pointed out most of the current problems we have, we heard nothing and nothing was done.

[Lordrosicky.5813]

lol that "nerf" is pointless. I wouldn't even bother with doing it to be honest. It achieves zero

[mortrialus.3062]

> @"Lordrosicky.5813" said:

> lol that "nerf" is pointless. I wouldn't even bother with doing it to be honest. It achieves zero

 

This nerf is dang good for an emergency nerf. Signet of the Ether is like 50% of why Chronomancers are so grossly overpowered.

[shadowpass.4236]

> @"mortrialus.3062" said:

> > @"Lordrosicky.5813" said:

> > lol that "nerf" is pointless. I wouldn't even bother with doing it to be honest. It achieves zero

>

> This nerf is dang good for an emergency nerf. Signet of the Ether is like 50% of why Chronomancers are so grossly overpowered.

 

Agreed.

[FyzE.3472]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We're splitting [signet of the Ether](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_the_Ether "Signet of the Ether") in the next release. (Scheduled for tomorrow, unless things go awry.) In PvP and WvW, Phantasm skills are recharged by 50% rather than 100%. 50% of the base recharge subtracted from the current recharge. If you have a 40 second phantasm that is on a 35 second recharge, it will change to a 15 second recharge.

>

> We know it won't get us all the way there on Mesmer balance, but more will come with the full balance release.

>

> Edit: Made explanation more clear.

 

Thanks for talking to us, Ben! Really appreciated.