Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"wickedkae.4980" If you feel the need to create a name to offend people in a video game, you may also need to rethink your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who's to say the person with the supposed offensive name was *trying* to offend anyone or that the person who is reporting it isn't *trying* to find something to be offended by? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else *might* be offend. Worse still is when people intentionally develope thinner skin (or put on an act, at least) so they can be offended on someone else's behalf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter. Unless you broadcast that you reported in chat or whisper the person no one, including the guy reported, will ever know. At that point it’s up to ANet. If it breaks ToS then it will get sanctioned. If it doesn’t then it won’t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of the quote, it's addressing the double standard. So the people that get offended by letters and names might want to rethink their lives, those intentionally trolling others with inappropriate names and language should rethink their lives and those not actually offended and must play tone police should also likely rethink their lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter? I mean, unless you think advice doesn't matter then yeah, it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else might be offend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually doubt you know this. You can’t have that many people tell you that they’ve reported someone and that’s the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, then refer to the above: If you get offended by letters and names, you might want to rethink your lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not telling anyone how to report or what to report. That's not my place nor my job. But if you're looking logically and realistically at these situations, beyond censoring swear words so kids don't think it's okay to fling them around 800% of the time or inciting violence and harassment, how much of the things reported *actually* cause harm, physically or mentally? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just taking the forums as indication, I could get my posts moderated or deleted for simply hurting someone's feelings...and this is only a minute *fraction* of the GW2 community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why there are report rules is because the game is a business trying to attract customers and make money. If a game gets a reputation that discourages people from trying it out or if names/chat are bad enough to push new players away then the game loses money, ANet is going to err on the strict side since the game is world wide and has many players with different standards on what is acceptable. It’s better for the game to be too squeaky clean than to be lax and lose customers who are truly offended by offensive chat and names. Just because you or other people aren’t offended and don’t report doesn’t mean that others aren’t offended, for religious reasons or other reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I'm not advising how or what to report. The thing is, people *need* to speak out with this whole politically correct outrage otherwise people think being offended is a protected class. > > > > > > > > > > > > And again, what difference does it make? > > > > > > > > > > To balance all the talk about being offended. If it makes a difference to be offended, it makes a difference to advocate for rising above offensive language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s me ask you a question then, Let’s say there is a gameA where unnecessary reports are silently filed and which disappear without trace. And there is a gameB which only has necessary reports filed. How would someone playing know which game it is, A or B? What changes are made to a game that has unnecessary, silent reports versus only necessary reports? > > > > > > Why are you asking me about reporting? I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be reported or what happens to said reports. I'm saying, creating and maintaining a sterile environment has consequences. The things that were merely filtered and avoided by the past generation becomes taboos to the next generation as the filters compound. > > > > Everything has consequences. Sterile environments. Filthy environments. Environments in between. You can argue against sterile environments but you can’t argue against human nature. Human nature in this case is some people will find some things worth reporting that you don’t. You’re not going to convince those who are offended that they shouldn’t be offended, especially on the grounds that “it will make the game too sterile” since gw2 being a too sterile game is an impossibility. No game with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of players from all over and with different standards will ever remotely be sterile as long as ToS is applied fairly. > > People will be offended by something and that is the end of the story. They rarely reflect on their actions or emotions and assume their perspective is just. I think that's a problem. Even if it's spraying tea in the wind, I don't think it's useless to have expectations of people rather than no expectations at all (or the worse expectations). My expectations are that most people are reasonable and only report what actually offends them and that others who might report based on what they think offends others are both few and intransigent. The first group doesn’t need to be told who to report or not report and the second group isn’t going to listen anyway. It is spraying tea in the wind to tell the intransigent what to not do. They’ll never hear your words as relevant to them. /shrug. 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Leo G.4501 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"wickedkae.4980" If you feel the need to create a name to offend people in a video game, you may also need to rethink your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who's to say the person with the supposed offensive name was *trying* to offend anyone or that the person who is reporting it isn't *trying* to find something to be offended by? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else *might* be offend. Worse still is when people intentionally develope thinner skin (or put on an act, at least) so they can be offended on someone else's behalf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter. Unless you broadcast that you reported in chat or whisper the person no one, including the guy reported, will ever know. At that point it’s up to ANet. If it breaks ToS then it will get sanctioned. If it doesn’t then it won’t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of the quote, it's addressing the double standard. So the people that get offended by letters and names might want to rethink their lives, those intentionally trolling others with inappropriate names and language should rethink their lives and those not actually offended and must play tone police should also likely rethink their lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter? I mean, unless you think advice doesn't matter then yeah, it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else might be offend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually doubt you know this. You can’t have that many people tell you that they’ve reported someone and that’s the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, then refer to the above: If you get offended by letters and names, you might want to rethink your lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not telling anyone how to report or what to report. That's not my place nor my job. But if you're looking logically and realistically at these situations, beyond censoring swear words so kids don't think it's okay to fling them around 800% of the time or inciting violence and harassment, how much of the things reported *actually* cause harm, physically or mentally? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just taking the forums as indication, I could get my posts moderated or deleted for simply hurting someone's feelings...and this is only a minute *fraction* of the GW2 community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why there are report rules is because the game is a business trying to attract customers and make money. If a game gets a reputation that discourages people from trying it out or if names/chat are bad enough to push new players away then the game loses money, ANet is going to err on the strict side since the game is world wide and has many players with different standards on what is acceptable. It’s better for the game to be too squeaky clean than to be lax and lose customers who are truly offended by offensive chat and names. Just because you or other people aren’t offended and don’t report doesn’t mean that others aren’t offended, for religious reasons or other reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I'm not advising how or what to report. The thing is, people *need* to speak out with this whole politically correct outrage otherwise people think being offended is a protected class. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And again, what difference does it make? > > > > > > > > > > > > To balance all the talk about being offended. If it makes a difference to be offended, it makes a difference to advocate for rising above offensive language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s me ask you a question then, Let’s say there is a gameA where unnecessary reports are silently filed and which disappear without trace. And there is a gameB which only has necessary reports filed. How would someone playing know which game it is, A or B? What changes are made to a game that has unnecessary, silent reports versus only necessary reports? > > > > > > > > Why are you asking me about reporting? I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be reported or what happens to said reports. I'm saying, creating and maintaining a sterile environment has consequences. The things that were merely filtered and avoided by the past generation becomes taboos to the next generation as the filters compound. > > > > > > Everything has consequences. Sterile environments. Filthy environments. Environments in between. You can argue against sterile environments but you can’t argue against human nature. Human nature in this case is some people will find some things worth reporting that you don’t. You’re not going to convince those who are offended that they shouldn’t be offended, especially on the grounds that “it will make the game too sterile” since gw2 being a too sterile game is an impossibility. No game with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of players from all over and with different standards will ever remotely be sterile as long as ToS is applied fairly. > > > > People will be offended by something and that is the end of the story. They rarely reflect on their actions or emotions and assume their perspective is just. I think that's a problem. Even if it's spraying tea in the wind, I don't think it's useless to have expectations of people rather than no expectations at all (or the worse expectations). > > My expectations are that most people are reasonable and only report what actually offends them and that others who might report based on what they think offends others are both few and intransigent. The first group doesn’t need to be told who to report or not report and the second group isn’t going to listen anyway. It is spraying tea in the wind to tell the intransigent what to not do. They’ll never hear your words as relevant to them. /shrug. Personally, if I’m going to have a cause I prefer one that has a higher possibility of success. Life is too short to tilt at windmills. You're not practicing what you preach if you're still replying to me though (in regards to choice of cause or being tilted at windmills). I'm merely being contrarian to the notion that offense is a protected state because it is the accepted stance that if someone is offended, they are a victim. Considering this unequivocally accepted stance is predicated by vocal repetition, I don't feel it's pointless to break that repetition. All it takes is a couple minutes on my phone. Also, you underestimate how many that report on behalf of others perceived offense. 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Sylent.3165 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 It's terrible this day and age is literally offended by everything. Someone who's using it obviously likes it. You have a problem with someone else being happy that's your fault get over it. Yes I sound rude but people these days need to just get over themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Leo G.4501" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"wickedkae.4980" If you feel the need to create a name to offend people in a video game, you may also need to rethink your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who's to say the person with the supposed offensive name was *trying* to offend anyone or that the person who is reporting it isn't *trying* to find something to be offended by? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else *might* be offend. Worse still is when people intentionally develope thinner skin (or put on an act, at least) so they can be offended on someone else's behalf. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter. Unless you broadcast that you reported in chat or whisper the person no one, including the guy reported, will ever know. At that point it’s up to ANet. If it breaks ToS then it will get sanctioned. If it doesn’t then it won’t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of the quote, it's addressing the double standard. So the people that get offended by letters and names might want to rethink their lives, those intentionally trolling others with inappropriate names and language should rethink their lives and those not actually offended and must play tone police should also likely rethink their lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it matter? I mean, unless you think advice doesn't matter then yeah, it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I find that many times, people report stuff not because they themselves are offended but rather they believe someone else might be offend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually doubt you know this. You can’t have that many people tell you that they’ve reported someone and that’s the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, then refer to the above: If you get offended by letters and names, you might want to rethink your lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not telling anyone how to report or what to report. That's not my place nor my job. But if you're looking logically and realistically at these situations, beyond censoring swear words so kids don't think it's okay to fling them around 800% of the time or inciting violence and harassment, how much of the things reported *actually* cause harm, physically or mentally? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just taking the forums as indication, I could get my posts moderated or deleted for simply hurting someone's feelings...and this is only a minute *fraction* of the GW2 community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why there are report rules is because the game is a business trying to attract customers and make money. If a game gets a reputation that discourages people from trying it out or if names/chat are bad enough to push new players away then the game loses money, ANet is going to err on the strict side since the game is world wide and has many players with different standards on what is acceptable. It’s better for the game to be too squeaky clean than to be lax and lose customers who are truly offended by offensive chat and names. Just because you or other people aren’t offended and don’t report doesn’t mean that others aren’t offended, for religious reasons or other reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I'm not advising how or what to report. The thing is, people *need* to speak out with this whole politically correct outrage otherwise people think being offended is a protected class. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And again, what difference does it make? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To balance all the talk about being offended. If it makes a difference to be offended, it makes a difference to advocate for rising above offensive language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s me ask you a question then, Let’s say there is a gameA where unnecessary reports are silently filed and which disappear without trace. And there is a gameB which only has necessary reports filed. How would someone playing know which game it is, A or B? What changes are made to a game that has unnecessary, silent reports versus only necessary reports? > > > > > > > > > > Why are you asking me about reporting? I'm not arguing what should or shouldn't be reported or what happens to said reports. I'm saying, creating and maintaining a sterile environment has consequences. The things that were merely filtered and avoided by the past generation becomes taboos to the next generation as the filters compound. > > > > > > > > Everything has consequences. Sterile environments. Filthy environments. Environments in between. You can argue against sterile environments but you can’t argue against human nature. Human nature in this case is some people will find some things worth reporting that you don’t. You’re not going to convince those who are offended that they shouldn’t be offended, especially on the grounds that “it will make the game too sterile” since gw2 being a too sterile game is an impossibility. No game with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of players from all over and with different standards will ever remotely be sterile as long as ToS is applied fairly. > > > > > > People will be offended by something and that is the end of the story. They rarely reflect on their actions or emotions and assume their perspective is just. I think that's a problem. Even if it's spraying tea in the wind, I don't think it's useless to have expectations of people rather than no expectations at all (or the worse expectations). > > > > My expectations are that most people are reasonable and only report what actually offends them and that others who might report based on what they think offends others are both few and intransigent. The first group doesn’t need to be told who to report or not report and the second group isn’t going to listen anyway. It is spraying tea in the wind to tell the intransigent what to not do. They’ll never hear your words as relevant to them. /shrug. Personally, if I’m going to have a cause I prefer one that has a higher possibility of success. Life is too short to tilt at windmills. > > You're not practicing what you preach if you're still replying to me though (in regards to choice of cause or being tilted at windmills). I'm merely being contrarian to the notion that offense is a protected state because it is the accepted stance that if someone is offended, they are a victim. Considering this unequivocally accepted stance is predicated by vocal repetition, I don't feel it's pointless to break that repetition. All it takes is a couple minutes on my phone. Also, you underestimate how many that report on behalf of others perceived offense. It appears you think that there are large numbers of gw2 players who are reporting for frivolous reasons and that this is important enough for you to spend time trying to stamp down. I have grave doubts of both the numbers and importance but good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Soul.5178 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 > @"Sylent.3165" said: > It's terrible this day and age is literally offended by everything. Someone who's using it obviously likes it. You have a problem with someone else being happy that's your fault get over it. > > Yes I sound rude but people these days need to just get over themselves It's my fault that someone named their pet after a woman's privates, and describes what's happening to those privates? That's a serious stretch of bad logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 What I found telling about this thread are the responses. Those responses that were helpful and professional showed why this community is awesome. And those opposed showed why we need a reporting system in the first place as far as pet names. Regardless, the question has been asked and answered. @"DanAlcedo.3281" Yes, report the player. The moderators in-game look at everything. They'll decide what is or isn't appropriate within the rules. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashberry.4510 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just say no to the language police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylent.3165 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 > @"Endless Soul.5178" said: > > @"Sylent.3165" said: > > It's terrible this day and age is literally offended by everything. Someone who's using it obviously likes it. You have a problem with someone else being happy that's your fault get over it. > > > > Yes I sound rude but people these days need to just get over themselves > > It's my fault that someone named their pet after a woman's privates, and describes what's happening to those privates? That's a serious stretch of bad logic. It's 100% your fault your bothered by it. YOU need to get rid of the internet if things on it bother you. You need to sensor yourself and not blame others for offending you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Soul.5178 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 > @"Sylent.3165" said: > > @"Endless Soul.5178" said: > > > @"Sylent.3165" said: > > > It's terrible this day and age is literally offended by everything. Someone who's using it obviously likes it. You have a problem with someone else being happy that's your fault get over it. > > > > > > Yes I sound rude but people these days need to just get over themselves > > > > It's my fault that someone named their pet after a woman's privates, and describes what's happening to those privates? That's a serious stretch of bad logic. > > It's 100% your fault **your're** bothered by it. YOU need to get rid of the internet if things on it bother you. You need to **censor** yourself and not blame others for offending you. Wrong, wrong, and even more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 > @"Sylent.3165" said: > > @"Endless Soul.5178" said: > > > @"Sylent.3165" said: > > > It's terrible this day and age is literally offended by everything. Someone who's using it obviously likes it. You have a problem with someone else being happy that's your fault get over it. > > > > > > Yes I sound rude but people these days need to just get over themselves > > > > It's my fault that someone named their pet after a woman's privates, and describes what's happening to those privates? That's a serious stretch of bad logic. > > It's 100% your fault your bothered by it. YOU need to get rid of the internet if things on it bother you. You need to sensor yourself and not blame others for offending you. GW2 isn't "the internet"; it's a game run on privately-owned code supported by privately-funded servers. It's up to ANet to decide what they are willing to tolerate and what they think is unacceptable. I hope you can see the financial logic of erring on the side of moderating names conservatively rather than allowing "anything goes." The number of people who might not play because someone else named their pet after a women's privates almost certainly dwarfs the number of those that would leave because they can't do that. The second group is likely to adapt (and if they can't, they are likely, from ANet's point of view, to create other issues eventually). tl;dr regardless of the morality, it's good business to restrict names to some extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 cant delete comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 pretty sure devs have far better things to do and resources to track down and punish people with silly names. come guys, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippyCheeze.5483 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > pretty sure devs have far better things to do and resources to track down and punish people with silly names. come guys, really? You are absolutely correct. One of those things is to respond to reports of people with deliberately unpleasant names, including racism, sexism, personal insults to people, and so forth, and ensure they are removed appropriately. Like almost every other game, name issues are predominantly reporting driven -- not that "more reports == ban", but rather, than the support team (and not developers) do not proactively look for these things, they take action when the name is reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord.9082 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 > @"Fat Disgrace.4275" said: > pretty sure devs have far better things to do and resources to track down and punish people with silly names. come guys, really? One would hope so but the reporting feature seems to indicate otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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