Zefrost.3425 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I haven't actually took a good look at mesmer skills/traits in a while and today I did. LOL! I used to know what was going on when fighting a mesmer and now I have no idea. * Arcane thievery inflicts slow and grants quickness now? Last time I looked at this skill it sent 3 conditions and stole 3 boons like a balanced skill would. * "Mind wrack is an ammo skill" trait. I literally laughed out loud at this. * Signet of midnight grants stealth. Sure, why not. That's not so bad I guess... * Phantasmal mage now interrupts? What??? Where did the balanced shatter mesmer go? The balanced class with ether feast, decoy, blink, greatsword/sword and portal? The balanced class that had to use their brains to create 3 clones to shatter? Why is it gone? Is it because of PvE raids? Chronomancer was bad enough by having literally no down sides to it and being able to use all of your skills twice for unbalanced reasons. Double moa says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Not enough problems to complain about so you dig in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 > @"Zefrost.3425" said: > I haven't actually took a good look at mesmer skills/traits in a while and today I did. LOL! I used to know what was going on when fighting a mesmer and now I have no idea. > > * Arcane thievery inflicts slow and grants quickness now? Last time I looked at this skill it sent 3 conditions and stole 3 boons like a balanced skill would. > * "Mind wrack is an ammo skill" trait. I literally laughed out loud at this. > * Signet of midnight grants stealth. Sure, why not. That's not so bad I guess... > * Phantasmal mage now interrupts? What??? > > > Where did the balanced shatter mesmer go? The balanced class with ether feast, decoy, blink, greatsword/sword and portal? The balanced class that had to use their brains to create 3 clones to shatter? Why is it gone? Is it because of PvE raids? Chronomancer was bad enough by having literally no down sides to it and being able to use all of your skills twice for unbalanced reasons. Double moa says hi. Anyone who has this reaction while reading Core Mesmer abilities, may want to put their seatbelt on before they read this: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elusive_Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Complaining about double moa in 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > Complaining about moa in 2018? FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
googel.3278 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I play core power mesmer and still get salt whispers/mails, those that complains were the ones i keep ganking til end of match, have a taste of the clones ya wet noodles! at least I dont play condi mirages, those are cheesy as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDemoNnDisguisE.8576 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Its almost like there is someone at Anet that feels that Mesmer must always be balanced above the other classes. Or if George Orwell played GW2: All classes are equal, but some classes are more equal than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zefrost.3425 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 > @"mortrialus.3062" said: > Complaining about double moa in 2018? Tip: it's still strong, it didn't get weaker. If you fight 2 chrono, that's 4x moa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaShi.1368 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Some people don't care about balance. They just want to see classes they don't like destroyed. The evidence is piling up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Zefrost.3425" said: > I haven't actually took a good look at mesmer skills/traits in a while and today I did. LOL! I used to know what was going on when fighting a mesmer and now I have no idea. > > * Arcane thievery inflicts slow and grants quickness now? Last time I looked at this skill it sent 3 conditions and stole 3 boons like a balanced skill would. > * "Mind wrack is an ammo skill" trait. I literally laughed out loud at this. > * Signet of midnight grants stealth. Sure, why not. That's not so bad I guess... > * Phantasmal mage now interrupts? What??? > > > Where did the balanced shatter mesmer go? The balanced class with ether feast, decoy, blink, greatsword/sword and portal? The balanced class that had to use their brains to create 3 clones to shatter? Why is it gone? Is it because of PvE raids? Chronomancer was bad enough by having literally no down sides to it and being able to use all of your skills twice for unbalanced reasons. Double moa says hi. Power creep happened. If you think these are bonkers you should look at some other classes, be thankful there’s skill splits https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Peak_Performance https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Full_Counter https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nefarious_Favor https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Garish_Pillar https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Desert_Shroud These PvE versions are what was in PvP at PoF launch too. The whole game has gone bonkers it’s not just mesmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 ArenaNet: Scrapper is supposed to be a tank, so we're giving it some buffs to bring it out of sheer uselessness ---> Chrono is still a better tank, better CC, and better damage -------> Scrapper is still irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuka Cola.8520 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Why would we have a "balanced shatter" when we have speallbreaker, scourge, druid, holo, condi thieves? Balance was for 2014. Now its just spam, and spam is what the current mesmer and almost every other class/build gives you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > ArenaNet: Scrapper is supposed to be a tank, so we're giving it some buffs to bring it out of sheer uselessness > ---> Chrono is still a better tank, better CC, and better damage > -------> Scrapper is still irrelevant The biggest issue with Chronotank is that it fill 2 spots by itself. It act as the tank while it also act as a boon support. Honestly, I don't think Scrapper would ever be able to reach Chrono's spot as a tank. The closest contenders in my opinion are Firebrand and Ventari Revenant, but one lacks Alacrity and the other lacks Quickness. Edit: Sorry, I forgot this is the PvP subforum and I brought in some PvE gibberish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takashiro.8701 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 All we dumb Mesmers, not utilizing the sheer opness that is Arcane Thievery. Thank you for opening my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taltevus.3289 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > All we dumb Mesmers, not utilizing the sheer opness that is Arcane Thievery. Thank you for opening my eyes. Guess you fail to realize it adds up...does power creep not suggest that which is added unto itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Torch went from 1 stack of burning to 10 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takashiro.8701 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Taltevus.3289" said: > > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > > All we dumb Mesmers, not utilizing the sheer opness that is Arcane Thievery. Thank you for opening my eyes. > > Guess you fail to realize it adds up...does power creep not suggest that which is added unto itself? This was not a "powercreep is bad" post, telling us how bad it's affecting Mesmer. This was your usual "lul mesmer op wtf anet?" post, cause it's cool to hate on Mesmer nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > > @"Taltevus.3289" said: > > > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > > > All we dumb Mesmers, not utilizing the sheer opness that is Arcane Thievery. Thank you for opening my eyes. > > > > Guess you fail to realize it adds up...does power creep not suggest that which is added unto itself? > > This was your usual "lul mesmer op kitten anet?" post, cause it's cool to hate on Mesmer nowadays. Mirage really is so bad that it would be like Ryu being able to deal fierce strike damage with light strikes, while being able to move twice as fast and teleport around the screen, while only taking half damage, while the other characters function normally. Mesmer players have for YEARS been so used to being able to play builds that function like this, I honestly don't think the ones who only main Mesmer, have any idea how broken Mesmer builds actually have been up to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takashiro.8701 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said: > > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > > > @"Taltevus.3289" said: > > > > @"Takashiro.8701" said: > > > > All we dumb Mesmers, not utilizing the sheer opness that is Arcane Thievery. Thank you for opening my eyes. > > > > > > Guess you fail to realize it adds up...does power creep not suggest that which is added unto itself? > > > > This was not a "powercreep is bad" post, telling us how bad it's affecting Mesmer. > > This was your usual "lul mesmer op kitten anet?" post, cause it's cool to hate on Mesmer nowadays. > > Nah, Mirage really is so bad that it would be like Ryu being able to deal fierce strike damage with light strikes, while being able to move twice as fast and teleport around the screen, while only taking half damage, while the other characters function normally. While I admittedly dont understand that analogy, i get what you're saying. x) I do agree that Mirage is overtuned. And so do most Mesmers. But Mirage ≠ Mesmer. And OP wasnt complaining about Mirage, but about core Mesmer stuff and Chronomancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Mesmer only looks overtuned cuz many of your classes got there defensive passives gutted. You really think that only mesmer is squashing your class in 2 shots? Think again. Pretty much every classes are doing it. Only problem with mesmers is that players playing it are getting good standing still making it that much hard to hit the right target. & everyone is getting frustrated cuz you can't tank as well as before. & by the time you do find the right target you already lost more life points then your use to. That's the real truth. Anyone saying other wise is in complete otter denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialka.7290 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > Mesmer only looks overtuned cuz many of your classes got there defensive passives gutted. You really think that only mesmer is squashing your class in 2 shots? Think again. Pretty much every classes are doing it. Only problem with mesmers is that players playing it are getting good standing still making it that much hard to hit the right target. & everyone is getting frustrated cuz you can't tank as well as before. & by the time you do find the right target you already lost more life points then your use to. That's the real truth. Anyone saying other wise is in complete otter denial. That does mean that Mesmer is doing too much damage :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Specialka.7290" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > Mesmer only looks overtuned cuz many of your classes got there defensive passives gutted. You really think that only mesmer is squashing your class in 2 shots? Think again. Pretty much every classes are doing it. Only problem with mesmers is that players playing it are getting good standing still making it that much hard to hit the right target. & everyone is getting frustrated cuz you can't tank as well as before. & by the time you do find the right target you already lost more life points then your use to. That's the real truth. Anyone saying other wise is in complete otter denial. > > That does mean that Mesmer is doing too much damage :) No, Less then most classes. Thief can 27k in 1 poison shot. Weaver, Engy, and all classes can dish out more bursty damage then the mesmer. Phantasm build is completely gutted. Only builds that actually working now is either condi base or the power shatter build. & what i said is that the frustration is from the fact you burst the wrong target all the time. How much damage do you think mesmers are doing in 1 shots at most? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialka.7290 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Meaning, since clones are such a good defense, mesmer does too much damage while having this huge defense advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 How much damage is to much damage when you have a good defense? I just want to compare to all other classes defense vs mesmers. See how that advantage it vs them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > Mesmer only looks overtuned cuz many of your classes got there defensive passives gutted. You really think that only mesmer is squashing your class in 2 shots? Think again. Pretty much every classes are doing it. Only problem with mesmers is that players playing it are getting good standing still making it that much hard to hit the right target. & everyone is getting frustrated cuz you can't tank as well as before. & by the time you do find the right target you already lost more life points then your use to. That's the real truth. Anyone saying other wise is in complete otter denial. You pretty much put your foot in your mouth here. If mesmer is a problem now, because every other class had its tanking/sustain toned down, then it is doing too much damage or has too much defense. And standing still is not a skill that should be rewarded with high damage in tandem with high defense. Your staff clone pretend is cute, but it doesn't warrant being able to freebail out of stuns by having 50 endurance. Guess I don't believe in otters though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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