Is it ok to lock the Gryphon mount behind a gold sink collection.

[del.4068]

250g is bit too much for me, therefore I won't be rushing to get it to be honest. There is more necessary items I'd prefer to have than just waste it all it once on a mount, perhaps someday.

[Theocraft.6053]

taking into account that many other mmo in these days would require you to pay in real money for this, that's not so bad. Gold is quite easy to get and thx to gold wall you will get that nice feeling of accomplishment

[Kelly.7019]

> @Daniel.5428 said:

> I will definitely spend my gold to unlock this mount because I am a GW2 lover and I cannot be healed. Most people told me that with a full mastered Griffon is like you fly with a super-jet plane. As most of you already know, this mount is unlocked by completing a collection where you have to buy 10 items, 25 gold each so you have to spend 250 gold. Do you guys think it is ok to lock a new mount, with new abilities, with new masteries to level(so a bigger mastery level) behind a gold sink. 250 gold is definitley no a small price. Even raids who were not for everybody offered you the chance to unlock the mastery track just by doing one simple boss like escort or prison camp.

 

Sadly you were lied to : This isn't true "Most people told me that with a full mastered Griffon is like you fly with a super-jet plane." "Griffon flying" is more like gliding with approx. a 1.5 second delay between wingflaps; which allow you to move up a little bit. "Personal updraft" is also an exagerration and not very accurate.

The skill here is to stay up without touching the ground. You can if you are already high up, but if you want to fly straight up, ya can't. You have to CLIMB up on rocks and flap your wings to move up a mountain. The trick is every plateau/ every higher ledge you land on you can lift up a little bit more. It makes it rather easy to "fly" straight up if you have a mountain nearby and are ok at rock climbing.

The thing that sucks is if u take off and are moving up a hill, it can be hard to stay up in the air. It's more like a baby bird learning to fly. (fly for a little bit, land and jump into the air, fly for a little bit more and repeat.)

 

As far as the 250g sink i for sure thought mounts would be a gemstore item. If you look at it that way with the current price of gold to gems, the griffon is about 1,000 gems. Makes sense to me. I know alot of people who would of spent gems on this. And for those that don't want to use real cash 250g seems about right. In all honesty you'd think a flying mount would be even more in the gemstore, but don't get any ideas anet, i'm happy with this price.

[FaboBabo.3581]

Cant grind in 10 minutes , so sad ...

 

Well i have something in a few months which is going to make me very happy (:

[Mea.5491]

Probably an unpopular opinion (sorry!) but thanks to the Griffon, I finally had a reason to spend some of my 12000 Gold and I'm still sitting on too much money (also gave 250G to my best friend for the mount). I'm not interested in Legendaries (same stats as Ascended with uglier skins, why bother?) and aura infusion cringefest so thank you for the Griffon! I actually hope Anet will add more fun-to-use items to the game that cost Gold.

[Sorin Noroku.5342]

 

> @Zoria.1392 said:

> I don't like it.

>

> With everything account bound you can't make money with crafting. I despise farming so I'm always gold starved. Gear up only to get a balance patch that costs another couple hundred gold to change everything, then a new expansion. I turn around and there is a new gold sink. Silverwastes is a real drag after the 10th time. The only place I make some gold is fractals, and it is maybe 6-10 gold.

>

> Do I want to LFG T4 fractals for 25 days to end up with zero gold from it? No.

 

I'm not sure what fractal you did, but my t4s netted me 15g today for little effort, then a friend and I went and did some buried treasure in elona and made some more...

[TheSlothArmada.6709]

> @Mea.5491 said:

> Probably an unpopular opinion (sorry!) but thanks to the Griffon, I finally had a reason to spend some of my 12000 Gold and I'm still sitting on too much money (also gave 250G to my best friend for the mount). I'm not interested in Legendaries (same stats as Ascended with uglier skins, why bother?) and aura infusion cringefest so thank you for the Griffon! I actually hope Anet will add more fun-to-use items to the game that cost Gold.

 

Could you lend me 4000 gold?

I'll pay you back :D

[Nikal.4921]

IMO, the mounts should be earned via questing/story and PoF currency, not Gold.

[Hyper Cutter.9376]

I feel like 250g is way too steep, 100g would have been more reasonable (which is still a lot of money for most players, and still 5x what the jackal costs to unlock)

[Crise.9401]

Personally I think it is perfectly fine, it may be 250g, but you don't have to pay it all at once... besides, even for the laziest player you can accumulate 250g in couple of months (dailies net you 2g flat per day, plus anything else you happen to get while doing them).

 

The price tag is only an issue if you want it immediately and have no assets to liquidate. I could probably make the gold simply by exchanging my stock of laurels from the past LS season of fairly infrequent play (mostly only login for patches play story and mess in the related map a bit) for the right kind of crafting mats and selling them on TP, if I needed to.

 

Why is all of this fine? Because the griffon mount itself is not required for anything of significance. It is a completely optional mount, if you want it you can work towards it like any other longer term goal.

[SmirkDog.3160]

My main problem with the griffon mount is that it basically costs 250g to get at least one of the mastery points. The one in the Tomb of the Primeval Kings _requires_ either getting the griffon or map breaking. There's something wrong with that.

[Crise.9401]

> @SmirkDog.3160 said:

> My main problem with the griffon mount is that it basically costs 250g to get at least one of the mastery points. The one in the Tomb of the Primeval Kings _requires_ either getting the griffon or map breaking. There's something wrong with that.

 

If that is true, then yes there is an issue, to be frank I assumed you could do it with either the Jackal or raptor long jump (once you climb on top of the statue with springer ofc). I haven't gotten that mastery point myself yet because I didn't bother grabbing it when I went back there for the griffon and the first time through my mysteries for those other mounts weren't up to snuff.

 

Edit: thinking about it, you could probably get to the mastery point using the experimental rifle from Orr, but since that is an obscure consumable from 2012, I guess it doesn't count.

[Ashen.2907]

Just logging in to the game, and selling the various login rewards generates more than 50g per 28 day cycle. This does not include the 56g one can fairly readily (often in 15 minutes or less) earn by completing a round of dailies. Adding that in one is up over 100g per 28 day period...not counting any drops or rewards for play. Add in some gathering/selling and the like and one should be able to double the 106g one gets for logging in and spending a few minutes on dailies.

 

Of course one might have other goals, things to spend gold on other than the Gryphon, so there is some reduction there, but choosing to spend one's resources on something else is not an argument for the Gryphon price to be lowered in my opinion.

[SmirkDog.3160]

> @Crise.9401 said:

> If that is true, then yes there is an issue, to be frank I assumed you could do it with either the Jackal or raptor long jump (once you climb on top of the statue with springer ofc). I haven't gotten that mastery point myself yet because I didn't bother grabbing it when I went back there for the griffon and the first time through my mysteries for those other mounts weren't up to snuff.

 

Yes this is true. I went to do it with a friend, and between us we had all upgrades for the standard mounts. The pillar with the mastery point on it is just slightly higher than the one you jump from, and far enough away that you reach the apex of your jump too soon and drop before getting there.

 

Luckily my friend is a mesmer and a pal, and not only got me up there but offered to get others to it as well. After he had to do some convoluted map breaking to get there.

 

[finkle.9513]

People that cry about gold, why dont you just play the game and sell mats, or go one further and farm a 10 second search will point you in the right direction. Go on party/ squad search and join anything that states "farm" odds are there is a reason people are running them ....

[rapthorne.7345]

While the griffon is definitely a high speed mount at it's finest, to actually make use of the griffon's speed you need a huge amount of vertical space and a high point to start on. This is why pretty much all the "super fast griffon OMG WTF ROFLMAOBBQ" videos are made in HoT maps

 

In practical terms, the griffon is a slightly better HoT glider without updraft or leyline access. It's more of a status symbol (look at me, I have 250g to waste) than a practical advantage.

 

I will admit, I love the griffon, but mainly for it's looks and animations (Great job, ANet!), not for it's "status" or the speed boostyness

[Absconditus.6804]

I find 250 Gold to be a fair price for the mount. Most players should be capable of earning about 10 Gold a day from doing their Daily, some daily Fractals, gathering and selling materials as they run about, doing a few meta events for Rare loot to salvage into Ectoplasm to sell, and otherwise just playing the game. Worst case scenario it should take a player 25 days, more than likely less with some days giving better loot and/or the player having more time to play and wanting to spend that time playing Guild Wars 2.

[Nick Lentz.6982]

is there really anything else to spend that much in PoF though? That is Prolly the most expensive item so far. Its not hard to get 250g either. You get 2g a day from dailes and if you do daily fractals, they end up around 20g. Its an end game idea for very new players but people who have been playing a very long time, you can get it in less than a day.

[Menadena.7482]

> @Nightshade.5924 said:

> > @Mitzarin.2963 said:

> > > @Pifil.5193 said:

> > > Is fine, a 250g sink is fine for this, most vets probably have far more than this (I've sank a lot more gold into cultural armour and got much less out of it) and those that don't have that much gold can make it over a few weeks or months and treat it as a longer term goal.

> >

> > That's a fair point; but the achievement and title for cultural armor doesn't have an effect on game-play, the Griffon does. It replaces the glider as a more effective version of it that also travels fast - additionally, it locks mastery experience behind gold (or real life $$) which has not been done before and in my mind sets a dangerous precedent. ONE time is OK, but when people are all like whatever, it's fine, that's when in the third expansion, we're potentially paying 500 gold just to progress.

>

> My thing is... I just paid for an expansion. SO WHY AM I EFFECTIVELY PAYING TWENTY MORE DOLLARS FOR A MOUNT THAT IS PART OF THAT EXPANSION? 100 Gold, at most, would have been reasonable. That would make the entire mount line about 130 gold. That is a much more sane and reasonable gold sink. 250 gold is almost what you would pay for a commander upgrade... more/better functionality, granted, but it bears saying again... this is an EXTRA COST HIDDEN in the expansion. Bad form, Anet, Bad form.

 

Strange, I did not notice much of an upgrade when I got my commander tag.

 

I would GLADLY pay 250 gold for the griffon if that is all it was. I decided against it the moment I heard the quest involved jumping puzzles. Suddenly I lost interest in completing the story because then I would feel I had to get the griffon and knew I would not enjoy the quest.

[Theocraft.6053]

I would prefer way harder achievements than gold wall, but to be honest it is easier for most players to grind a bit. And griffon had to be some kind of a bigger achievement.

 

There is already too much whining in the forum, just about everything... Imagine they made requirement of just 25g needed, but added 30 achievements of difficulty level (and time) of chef mastery in Crystal Oasis, and 5 achievements like silverwaste jp Restrospective Runaround. Holly molly, that would cause true shi*storm here like "ANet please nerf it, it is impossible to do, just add a gold wall".

[Menadena.7482]

> @Abakk.9176 said:

> It isn't much of a gold sink really.

>

> I bet that a large part of, at least, the very early people that got one just spent real money to buy gold to get it asap.

 

Yes, people were complaining about the exchange rates between gems and gold recently. It did not take a lot of thought to figure out why it would have had such a fluctuation. If I was going for griffon the 250 G would be the last of my concerns, it would primarily be things like JPs and completing the story. Secondarily it would be if the mount wanted other currencies and seeing that I had enough of them.

 

Gold is the one thing that if you need it you can always use real world money. Not only that, but the cost for this add-on thing that is not required is less than the cheapest version of the game.

 

[LucianDK.8615]

> @Menadena.7482 said:

> > @Nightshade.5924 said:

> > > @Mitzarin.2963 said:

> > > > @Pifil.5193 said:

> > > > Is fine, a 250g sink is fine for this, most vets probably have far more than this (I've sank a lot more gold into cultural armour and got much less out of it) and those that don't have that much gold can make it over a few weeks or months and treat it as a longer term goal.

> > >

> > > That's a fair point; but the achievement and title for cultural armor doesn't have an effect on game-play, the Griffon does. It replaces the glider as a more effective version of it that also travels fast - additionally, it locks mastery experience behind gold (or real life $$) which has not been done before and in my mind sets a dangerous precedent. ONE time is OK, but when people are all like whatever, it's fine, that's when in the third expansion, we're potentially paying 500 gold just to progress.

> >

> > My thing is... I just paid for an expansion. SO WHY AM I EFFECTIVELY PAYING TWENTY MORE DOLLARS FOR A MOUNT THAT IS PART OF THAT EXPANSION? 100 Gold, at most, would have been reasonable. That would make the entire mount line about 130 gold. That is a much more sane and reasonable gold sink. 250 gold is almost what you would pay for a commander upgrade... more/better functionality, granted, but it bears saying again... this is an EXTRA COST HIDDEN in the expansion. Bad form, Anet, Bad form.

>

> Strange, I did not notice much of an upgrade when I got my commander tag.

>

> I would GLADLY pay 250 gold for the griffon if that is all it was. I decided against it the moment I heard the quest involved jumping puzzles. Suddenly I lost interest in completing the story because then I would feel I had to get the griffon and knew I would not enjoy the quest.

 

I think you got trolled, theres no jumping puzzles to aquire the griffon. You can glide or easilly springer jump to wherever you need to be. Getting the eggs per zone is the hardest thing, beside waiting for the events needed for the collectibles. I strongly recommend watching the dulfy egg collection videos. I finished all of them in a few hours with them as a guide. Vabbi was probably the 'hardest' one, but with the guide video you know just were to gryphon glide. Yes, you get a loaner one from every egg roost you visit, so you can glide to another nearby one.

[Albadaran.1283]

Simply unlock it in the gemstore too for 1000 gems aka ~250 gold.

[Menadena.7482]

> @LucianDK.8615 said:

> > @Menadena.7482 said:

> > > @Nightshade.5924 said:

> > > > @Mitzarin.2963 said:

> > > > > @Pifil.5193 said:

> > > > > Is fine, a 250g sink is fine for this, most vets probably have far more than this (I've sank a lot more gold into cultural armour and got much less out of it) and those that don't have that much gold can make it over a few weeks or months and treat it as a longer term goal.

> > > >

> > > > That's a fair point; but the achievement and title for cultural armor doesn't have an effect on game-play, the Griffon does. It replaces the glider as a more effective version of it that also travels fast - additionally, it locks mastery experience behind gold (or real life $$) which has not been done before and in my mind sets a dangerous precedent. ONE time is OK, but when people are all like whatever, it's fine, that's when in the third expansion, we're potentially paying 500 gold just to progress.

> > >

> > > My thing is... I just paid for an expansion. SO WHY AM I EFFECTIVELY PAYING TWENTY MORE DOLLARS FOR A MOUNT THAT IS PART OF THAT EXPANSION? 100 Gold, at most, would have been reasonable. That would make the entire mount line about 130 gold. That is a much more sane and reasonable gold sink. 250 gold is almost what you would pay for a commander upgrade... more/better functionality, granted, but it bears saying again... this is an EXTRA COST HIDDEN in the expansion. Bad form, Anet, Bad form.

> >

> > Strange, I did not notice much of an upgrade when I got my commander tag.

> >

> > I would GLADLY pay 250 gold for the griffon if that is all it was. I decided against it the moment I heard the quest involved jumping puzzles. Suddenly I lost interest in completing the story because then I would feel I had to get the griffon and knew I would not enjoy the quest.

>

> I think you got trolled, theres no jumping puzzles to aquire the griffon. You can glide or easilly springer jump to wherever you need to be. Getting the eggs per zone is the hardest thing, beside waiting for the events needed for the collectibles. I strongly recommend watching the dulfy egg collection videos. I finished all of them in a few hours with them as a guide. Vabbi was probably the 'hardest' one, but with the guide video you know just were to gryphon glide. Yes, you get a loaner one from every egg roost you visit, so you can glide to another nearby one.

 

I doubt I was trolled since the information was from a friend in my guild. They described the eggs as being like JPs and did not try to correct themselves when I balked at proceeding after they said that.

 

Yes, I will watch the dulfy vids but with only act 1 completed I also have to decide if it is worth trying to find parties for the remaining story steps. Except for one step that ppl wanted to speed run I soloed the rest and burnt myself out on soloing them now.

[CedarDog.9723]

> @Daniel.5428 said:

> I will definitely spend my gold to unlock this mount because I am a GW2 lover and I cannot be healed. Most people told me that with a full mastered Griffon is like you fly with a super-jet plane. As most of you already know, this mount is unlocked by completing a collection where you have to buy 10 items, 25 gold each so you have to spend 250 gold. Do you guys think it is ok to lock a new mount, with new abilities, with new masteries to level(so a bigger mastery level) behind a gold sink. 250 gold is definitley no a small price. Even raids who were not for everybody offered you the chance to unlock the mastery track just by doing one simple boss like escort or prison camp.

 

Yes. You don't need the mastery points either from the griffon mount nor raids.