Devs lets talk WxP

[Voltekka.2375]

> @"Gwaihir.1745" said:

> Make the recharge of players wxp faster. They aren't being spawn camped if they can run from waypt to their keep. Currently it seems like a half hour to get to 250 which is ridiculous.

 

Players give 60 Base exp max. Even with all buffs, it will never reach 250. The 250 wxp is from a liquid drop of wxp.

[Spurnshadow.3678]

> @"Ok I Did It.2854" said:

> > @"Spurnshadow.3678" said:

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> > Sigh.

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> > I don't believe you when you say you've played from the start. If you had, you'd know the answer to your own question.

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> > It used to be that you didn't get any Wxp from kills. Then, they introduced it. Awesome. Then they adjusted it so that an enemies WXP needs to build up over time, to a total of 60. This is to prevent Wxp farming from co-ordinated servers. So, if an enemy dies, then runs back into a fight, they are worth only 2 if they got back in immediately. But you'd know all that, right, cause you've played from the start. Also, if you've been playing that long, then WxP isn't doing much for you other than a rank up chest every now and then. You get lots more from participation. But you say you don't care about loot. Or is it a new title you want? What is it you're complaining about? I don't understand.

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> > But really, I can't stand whiny posts like this. It's so passive aggressive. **If you really just care about WxP, then go KTrain**. Weren't you having fun during that hour in that smc fight? Isn't that the point?

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> I have played since Beta in GW2 thanks, the way your statement is wrote makes it sound like I never played, the no WxP from kills before was because there was no WxP in game at all, the same way we had no title tracks, the same way sPvP had no title tracks etc,

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> Anet added them to try and make the game more rewarding/challenging who knows, but as the game develops and changes so must the rewards,

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> My "complaining" as you put it, is that there is NO absolutely NO incentive to actually go and fight someone, why take 15-30 mins to go 20v20 or 50v50 or whatever to get next to nothing in terms of WxP when I can go kill a camp and get 700WxP or a tower and get 1k+, you are completely rewarded in World Vs World for avoiding the enemy and punished for engaging in them, it needs to change, the double wxp week people actually fought each other, and now its back to actively avoiding each other again.

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> WxP is linked to the main rewards in WvW.

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> The part I highlighted is the exact problem with WvW and if that is your reply to the problem then you are part of the problem, and most likely part of a server/group who actively avoids fights for easy WxP.

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> We have access to thousands of unused points from ranks in WvW after you max out, why are Anet not using these like the used essence of luck, put tracks in that take 20 levels per 1% and you can use them to boost WxP, it would take 2000 levels to get that 100% extra WxP boost, they could do the same with Karma, Magic Find, reward track gain, but instead they sit there unused.

 

You just don't get what WvW is about at all. Go to the Silverwastes.

[VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.]

 

> My "complaining" as you put it, is that there is NO absolutely NO incentive to actually go and fight someone, why take 15-30 mins to go 20v20 or 50v50 or whatever to get next to nothing in terms of WxP when I can go kill a camp and get 700WxP or a tower and get 1k+, you are completely rewarded in World Vs World for avoiding the enemy and punished for engaging in them, it needs to change, the double wxp week people actually fought each other, and now its back to actively avoiding each other again.

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a camp gives you 200.

 

And I have never seen a 20v20 or 40v40 or 50+v50v take 15minutes.

 

So please, spare us the hyperbole. Most fights are over in less time than it takes to take down a t3 gate.

 

[Rezzet.3614]

> @"VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618" said:

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> > My "complaining" as you put it, is that there is NO absolutely NO incentive to actually go and fight someone, why take 15-30 mins to go 20v20 or 50v50 or whatever to get next to nothing in terms of WxP when I can go kill a camp and get 700WxP or a tower and get 1k+, you are completely rewarded in World Vs World for avoiding the enemy and punished for engaging in them, it needs to change, the double wxp week people actually fought each other, and now its back to actively avoiding each other again.

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> a camp gives you 200.

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> And I have never seen a 20v20 or 40v40 or 50+v50v take 15minutes.

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> So please, spare us the hyperbole. Most fights are over in less time than it takes to take down a t3 gate.

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while you're correct, sometimes battles do take over 15 minutes, i have spent upwards of an hour possibly more defending SMC

today i spent about half an hour to 50mins taking SMC and then 15 mins taking ogrewatch and then 10 more mins defending durios

 

wxp rate does seem to reward poorly for player fights, rng loot is worse though

[VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.]

yes, a defense chain of a keep or sm can take ages, not too long ago, I defended SM for 3h straight. But the individual battles (group comes, group is defeated, next group comes in) were short.

 

I am fine with the current amount of wxp. I am not too happy with the rewards/loot on the other hand. It isn't 'fair' that fractals and raids, which are all 'memorize mechanic and or put the right keycombo on a macro key' kind of play, are so much better rewarded. And dont get me started on pvp.

[Rezzet.3614]

they should make enemies drop , gear boxes instead of loot that overflows our inventories that way we can focus on fighting and then when done we can chill and open our loot

[sephiroth.4217]

> @"Voltekka.2375" said:

> > @"Ok I Did It.2854" said:

> > Or the lack of,

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> > Why is it in WvW I am punished for fighting enemies when it comes to WxP and heavily rewarded for PvD and killing NPCs

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> > Tonight we spent an hour in SMC fighting 2 enemy zergs, it worked out around a few hundred kills in that hour, but the WxP gain I got was shocking, I have 10% WxP gain from the infusion, and the guild hall buff, amongst all the other boosters etc, yet I only received close to 6000 WxP when you take the number of NPC's we killed on respawn in SMC, the WxP gain from enemies was even less,

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> > Had I left and went to a BL and K-trained a few camps and a tower or 2 with no defence I would have been rewarded more, than the hour I spent in SMC,

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> > I don't care about physical loot drops, ( ive played WvW since the start and loot has always sucked ) but im getting fed up with getting more WxP from an NPC or undefended dolyak, than killing 300 enemies,

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> > Why it is that enemies give me 3 WxP and a Dolyak gives me 100, when the player is harder to kill technically, make it that all players in the game are worth a minimum of 50 WxP, and scale it from there.

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> > Thanks

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> Because enemy xp is proportional to how long each enemy has been alive. You know, to keep a bandwagon server from farming pugs at their spawns

 

This would explain why some players I kill when roaming are worth tonnes while the zerglings I pick off at spawns are worth next to nothing.

 

 

[starlinvf.1358]

> @"Wizardauz.3761" said:

> Make is so players accumulate points.

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> Whether you take towers, flip camps, siege keeps, or just roam around and kill other players. They start to "Tally up" your own score. Score Resets on Death.

> Encourages zergs to fight rather then "ring-around-the-rosie" on tower/keep flipping. Spawn camping isn't that worth it because they'll be worth nothing after re spawning.

 

Its almost as if WvW is about taking objective on the map, and not about kill farming everything......... but thats just crazy talk.

[Artaz.3819]

You are missing an important category, farm enemy seige, the WvW xp just flows or if you are lucky and own red keep in EBG, just keep trebbing an enemy that keeps repairing those SMC walls... /s

 

WXP is an outdated progression mechanic. PIPs should have been combined with WXP progression in addition to all the other WXP sources for taking and killing (giving additional WXP for the winning team, the outnumbered bonus, the commander bonus, etc. on the 5-minute timer). Reward tracks already throttle the real WvW rewards so giving a floating blue + 2 greens chest and a WvW rank where you need hundreds/thousands of ranks to see a minimal PIP bonus or a new WvW title is already hardly an incentive-to-play WvW system.

 

Fundamentally, WXP is not the problem, it's the WvW incentive-to-play the game mode (over PvE and sPvP) that's broke. WXP is just an old mechanic left to rot.