The Tyrian Service Medal - Anet, you need to fix this in Orr

[Heibi.4251]

Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

[Khisanth.2948]

> @"lokh.2695" said:

> Still waiting for the events to happen....ANet pls either fix these events and put them on the event timer or, if you can't for some reason, acknowledge the fact and keep them off these collections. We told you numerous times how boring and frustrating this kitten is, why you still shove it down our throats...

 

because the devs do not play the game?

 

Same reason someone would place the kournan cache in the home instance right next to two NPCs. Anyone who has played the game would have ran into an analogous situation demonstrating why that shouldn't be done. For example trying to ress someone but end up picking up a banner instead.

[Etria.3642]

Defended Melandru. Nothing. Grenth died in 30 seconds didn't manage a tag.

 

This is horrible. Seriously who thought this was a good choice???

[RoseofGilead.8907]

> @"Heibi.4251" said:

> Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

 

There is no Risen King in the Balthazar chain. It sounds like you were maybe doing some other event, unless you meant Risen Priest.

[Dante.1763]

Huh, my post vanished!

 

But a heads up, it seems you can get the medal on fail events as well. I got the Balthazar temple on a failed defense event.

[Bloodstealer.5978]

It's a coin flip, some are getting on successful defences, some not... similarly some are failing and getting rewarded some not.. its just the Orrbug syndrome like before.. give it a week and it might be sorted, if not just do a rain dance first thing in the morning and scream a 100 Hail Mary's before bed then maybe the gods will look more favourably on you next time... maybe.

[Astralporing.1957]

> @"sigur.9453" said:

> > @"Urud.4925" said:

> > Ok, just to add some (probably obvious, sorry) info:

> > yesterday, after waiting for Dwayna slightly more than 1 hour and a half, I managed to convince everyone to abort the defense (a mentor tag was already gathering people for it). Many other players there complained that the defense didn't work for them, and sometimes also for Lyssa.

> >

> > It seemed impossible to stop everyone from attacking the Risen, until I asked someone to explain it in German: guys, people stopped and the event failed. It was a great moment and I really enjoyed the event and the following re-capture.

> > So, important tip: if people seem to ignore what are you saying in map chat, stop yelling at them. Some of them don't speak English, it's not their fault. Try to explain it in German/French/the main language of your server.

> >

> > So far, Dwayna (and even safer, both temples in Malchor's Leap) give the achievement on the capture only. The other 3 seem quite safe even with the defense.

>

> Dwayna and Lyssa also work on Defense. I think for some players its a "mob tagging" issue.

It isn't. It seems way more mysterious than that. It can award the achi to someone afking away from mobs in a "safe spot" up the temple, while people pounding on the priestess and killing risen by the truckload get nothing.

 

 

[Zaraki.5784]

All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

[Pifil.5193]

> @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

 

Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

[Zaraki.5784]

> @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

>

> Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

 

Bugs are bugs, if you didn't care yesterday, no matter what happen, you shouldn't care tomorrow, else you're just being hypocritical.

[Pifil.5193]

> @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

> >

> > Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

>

> Bugs are bugs, if you didn't care yesterday, no matter what happen, you shouldn't care tomorrow, else you're just being hypocritical.

 

No, that's not what hypocrisy means.

 

People didn't know or care about the bugs yesterday because they had no reason to do the events.

 

When they added a reason for people to do the event they became aware of the bugs and then the bugs became an issue for people.

[Dante.1763]

> @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

 

well, if they werent doing the temple events they /wouldnt/ know about the bugs, and theres *NOTHING* wrong with bringing more light to issues in this game.

[Khisanth.2948]

Got credit for a failed balth defense and a successful Lyssa defense. Still waiting for the others to actually show up.

[Heibi.4251]

> @"RoseofGilead.8907" said:

> > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

>

> There is no Risen King in the Balthazar chain. It sounds like you were maybe doing some other event, unless you meant Risen Priest.

It was the last steps of the retake events in the temple. I know where Balthazar's temple is. I can't remember the boss name. Like I said, I got full credit for the last two parts but no medal. Someone in my guild said it was the escort step before the final two steps that gives you the medal. And defending does as well(even a failed defense).

 

Today I defended the temple and got the medal even though we failed to defend.

 

[Astralporing.1957]

> @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > @"RoseofGilead.8907" said:

> > > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > > Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

> >

> > There is no Risen King in the Balthazar chain. It sounds like you were maybe doing some other event, unless you meant Risen Priest.

> It was the last steps of the retake events in the temple. I know where Balthazar's temple is. I can't remember the boss name. Like I said, I got full credit for the last two parts but no medal. Someone in my guild said it was the escort step before the final two steps that gives you the medal.

It's actually the temple capture (capture circle) step that awards it (you get it the moment that step completes), although some people say you do need to participate in the escort event first. Killing the priest during capture affects nothing - it happens _after_ the achi gets (or doesn't get) awarded.

 

Of course, that step (as anything in the whole collection) is wildly inconsistent. Some people get it, some do not. For now, there seem to be two points one should follow (no guarantees they will work, but not doing them might cause you to not get the achi). First, once it appears, do not step out of the circle for even a moment. Second, try to tag as many attacking mobs as possible.

 

Yeah, i know that it might be hard to accomplish both at the same time. My advice is to use a class with relatively good range dps option (ele, for example, should be okay. For me longbow ranger turned out to be enough, even though it's not as good at tagging groups of mobs).

 

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

There is one event that is _sometimes_ bugged (Melandru), because the game currently has two events with the same name: one was fixed along with the other temples events, and one ... well, it shouldn't be in the game.

 

The reason that people don't get credit sometimes is almost always due to doing too little damage on a specific NPC. For the temples, it's always the undead priest (i.e. the boss). It is _easy_ to do too little damage under specific circumstances, that are common for some players and ridiculously rare for others, which is why people see such different results, even at the same event.

 

There are multiple reasons that _some_ people don't meet the minimum damage threshold: they have a support build; they target the wrong NPC; they don't realize that it's damaging the NPC that matters; the target dies very quickly at popular events (especially these days, due to how easy it is to stun & damage with certain builds).

 

It is, fortunately, easy enough to avoid the issue:

* Bring a DPS build. _and/or_

* Join a party (the other members' damage counts towards the threshold) (unfortunately, I know of no reliably tests that have been done to determine if being in a squad works; in contrast, being in a party has been confirmed) _and/or_

* Be among the first to tap the boss. _and/or_

* Focus on the relevant boss, ignoring everything else as much as possible.

 

The techniques above are worth learning, because this also matters for other collections, including e.g. killing the Kessex Spider Queen (3rd beetle collection), getting credit for destroying plague experiments in Kourna (same collection), and gaining access to the loot room after the Kourna meta.

[LucianDK.8615]

yep, you need to tap the main npc and keep banging them

[LucianDK.8615]

Just finished all five events. Four defenses, and attack on Baltazhar. Got them all on first try.

I think you guys didnt hit the main enemy npc.

[Zaraki.5784]

> @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > > All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

> > >

> > > Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

> >

> > Bugs are bugs, if you didn't care yesterday, no matter what happen, you shouldn't care tomorrow, else you're just being hypocritical.

>

> No, that's not what hypocrisy means.

>

> People didn't know or care about the bugs yesterday because they had no reason to do the events.

>

> When they added a reason for people to do the event they became aware of the bugs and then the bugs became an issue for people.

 

I make an example:

There are 3 people in a country who can't eat (=people who were playing in Orr before patch), they ask for help (=opening tickets/forum threads/bug reporting) but noone care since it doesn't bother the big majority, later the majority can't eat anymore too and they ask with their big numbers for help. HELL NO, it doesn't work this way, you should have cared before about those few 3 people, now you will die with them!

[Pifil.5193]

> @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > > > All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

> > > >

> > > > Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

> > >

> > > Bugs are bugs, if you didn't care yesterday, no matter what happen, you shouldn't care tomorrow, else you're just being hypocritical.

> >

> > No, that's not what hypocrisy means.

> >

> > People didn't know or care about the bugs yesterday because they had no reason to do the events.

> >

> > When they added a reason for people to do the event they became aware of the bugs and then the bugs became an issue for people.

>

> I make an example:

> There are 3 people in a country who can't eat (=people who were playing in Orr before patch), they ask for help (=opening tickets/forum threads/bug reporting) but noone care since it doesn't bother the big majority, later the majority can't eat anymore too and they ask with their big numbers for help. HELL NO, it doesn't work this way, you should have cared before about those few 3 people, now you will die with them!

 

Wow, I never realised it was so grave, if only we'd known. :lol:

 

Your example is basically wrong though, the more people that a problem is affecting in this game the better the chance that they'll fix the problem. So despite the fact that these defects have existed before the current content is now far more likely that they will fix them than before, because now they are blocking new content for more people.

 

Of course, a lot of the problems I'm reading about will resolve themselves in time.

 

Certainly no one is going to starve to death here.

[Manasa Devi.7958]

> @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > > @"Pifil.5193" said:

> > > > > @"Zaraki.5784" said:

> > > > > All of you who complain about Orr's events, what were you doing before this patch? It has always been this way and you never cared about it, but now that you're personally touched by it, you woke up and came here complaining...wow, just wow.

> > > >

> > > > Seriously? Why should _anyone_ either know about or care about bugs that _don't_ affect them? Wow indeed.

> > >

> > > Bugs are bugs, if you didn't care yesterday, no matter what happen, you shouldn't care tomorrow, else you're just being hypocritical.

> >

> > No, that's not what hypocrisy means.

> >

> > People didn't know or care about the bugs yesterday because they had no reason to do the events.

> >

> > When they added a reason for people to do the event they became aware of the bugs and then the bugs became an issue for people.

>

> I make an example:

> There are 3 people in a country who can't eat (=people who were playing in Orr before patch), they ask for help (=opening tickets/forum threads/bug reporting) but noone care since it doesn't bother the big majority, later the majority can't eat anymore too and they ask with their big numbers for help. HELL NO, it doesn't work this way, you should have cared before about those few 3 people, now you will die with them!

You don't get to decide what people should care about. And anyway, how could people care before the patch about a bug that didn't exists in orr before the patch?

[Heibi.4251]

> @"Astralporing.1957" said:

> > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > > @"RoseofGilead.8907" said:

> > > > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > > > Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

> > >

> > > There is no Risen King in the Balthazar chain. It sounds like you were maybe doing some other event, unless you meant Risen Priest.

> > It was the last steps of the retake events in the temple. I know where Balthazar's temple is. I can't remember the boss name. Like I said, I got full credit for the last two parts but no medal. Someone in my guild said it was the escort step before the final two steps that gives you the medal.

> It's actually the temple capture (capture circle) step that awards it (you get it the moment that step completes), although some people say you do need to participate in the escort event first. Killing the priest during capture affects nothing - it happens _after_ the achi gets (or doesn't get) awarded.

>

> Of course, that step (as anything in the whole collection) is wildly inconsistent. Some people get it, some do not. For now, there seem to be two points one should follow (no guarantees they will work, but not doing them might cause you to not get the achi). First, once it appears, do not step out of the circle for even a moment. Second, try to tag as many attacking mobs as possible.

>

> Yeah, i know that it might be hard to accomplish both at the same time. My advice is to use a class with relatively good range dps option (ele, for example, should be okay. For me longbow ranger turned out to be enough, even though it's not as good at tagging groups of mobs).

>

 

Yep, I was in the capture circle portion. There were those who got the reward and those who didn't. I wasn't the only one that night. But hey, at least I got credit for doing the event, right? :(

 

[Bloodstealer.5978]

> @"Astralporing.1957" said:

> > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > > @"RoseofGilead.8907" said:

> > > > @"Heibi.4251" said:

> > > > Waited over an hour for the 2 min long Grenth defense event to spawn. 2 min is all it lasts since he dies fast. Got the medal. Then went to Balthazar event. It was active. participated in the full event before the risen king appears, killed the Risen King dude, and NOTHING. ANeT, you've turned a game into unappealing achievements. Please fix this and stop creating content that relies on events and timers for achievements.

> > >

> > > There is no Risen King in the Balthazar chain. It sounds like you were maybe doing some other event, unless you meant Risen Priest.

> > It was the last steps of the retake events in the temple. I know where Balthazar's temple is. I can't remember the boss name. Like I said, I got full credit for the last two parts but no medal. Someone in my guild said it was the escort step before the final two steps that gives you the medal.

> It's actually the temple capture (capture circle) step that awards it (you get it the moment that step completes), although some people say you do need to participate in the escort event first. Killing the priest during capture affects nothing - it happens _after_ the achi gets (or doesn't get) awarded.

>

> Of course, that step (as anything in the whole collection) is wildly inconsistent. Some people get it, some do not. For now, there seem to be two points one should follow (no guarantees they will work, but not doing them might cause you to not get the achi). First, once it appears, do not step out of the circle for even a moment. Second, try to tag as many attacking mobs as possible.

>

> Yeah, i know that it might be hard to accomplish both at the same time. My advice is to use a class with relatively good range dps option (ele, for example, should be okay. For me longbow ranger turned out to be enough, even though it's not as good at tagging groups of mobs).

>

 

Not hard, though at Dwayna if you want to tag the Priestess your likely going to have to because she is normally melted long before she gets anywhere close to circle..

 

Fact is there are simply no guarantees its working any particular way, its just down to luck that your on a map with an event that's going to award you the tyrian medal part or not

[Astralporing.1957]

> @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:

> Not hard, though at Dwayna if you want to tag the Priestess your likely going to have to because she is normally melted long before she gets anywhere close to circle..

Dwayna doesn't have capture circle at no stage of either capture or defense events.

 

> @"Bloodstealer.5978" said:

> Fact is there are simply no guarantees its working any particular way, its just down to luck that your on a map with an event that's going to award you the tyrian medal part or not

Yes, precisely. We might know which event should award the collection part, but whether it will actually work (and what you have to do during that event) is for the most part random and unclear.

 

[LucianDK.8615]

When I did Dwayna defence, all i needed to do was smacking the champion calling out, he was at the bottom of the stairs, nearly dead when I noticed it. Tag, bam, medal gained. It dies very fast.