DaVid Darksoul.4985 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Why not give stealth to all classes? I mean personally I would preferred it be only for thief, but since ranger, engi, and the op mesmers have it let the last three classes also enjoy it. That or make it so only thief can use it frequently, fix it so others are limited to like once every 60 sec. Maybe give necro shadow fiend the ability to stealth it's master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuka Cola.8520 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Everyone gets a 60sec CD on stealth but Thief has it without any CD and can perma stealth cheese zergs? Great idea. No, what should be done is a rework of stealth as a whole. This is long overdue. And the reason why they haven't done it is because they'll have to rework Thief completely, something they prefer avoiding and make gem store items instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSin.5682 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I believe half of the professions of the game have access to stealth nowadays? Not even taking in consideration the fact you can have access to stealth through runes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said: > Everyone gets a 60sec CD on stealth but Thief has it with any CD and can perma stealth cheese zergs? Great idea. > > No, what should be done is a rework of stealth as a whole. This is long overdue. And the reason why they haven't done it is because they'll have to rework Thief completely, something they prefer avoiding and make gem store items instead Why would they do that? Why is it necessary? "It's not fun" is not an argument. Also >gem store argument 200 IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 You have stealth on "all" classes. Most of it is 5 man AoE. Its called teamwork. It can happen in an MMO. No really, it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Also thinking about this a little more: They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone, nobody can ever complain again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuka Cola.8520 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"Nuka Cola.8520" said: > > Everyone gets a 60sec CD on stealth but Thief has it with any CD and can perma stealth cheese zergs? Great idea. > > > > No, what should be done is a rework of stealth as a whole. This is long overdue. And the reason why they haven't done it is because they'll have to rework Thief completely, something they prefer avoiding and make gem store items instead > > Why would they do that? Why is it necessary? "It's not fun" is not an argument. > > Also >gem store argument > > 200 IQ Nothing is necessary for this game. Let a 6 years old mmo die in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I'm OK with equal opportunity stealthing, why not at this point. What's not cool in my book is something like a stealthing ranger that can destealth other stealthers in their midst. That's a bit dirty. So yeah, give stealth to everyone so long as everyone also gets a destealth ability as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straegen.2938 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The stealth design in GW2 has significantly handicapped classes and balancing. To balance stealth on demand, they have to nerf the hell out of a class. If they don't, we end up with the Mirage builds currently running around. Stealth post attack should have a long cooldown. I suggest the reveal should be commensurate with the time pre-attack stealthed. If they tinker with the reveal, they will need to buff certain other aspects of some skills to compensate but overall the health and balance of the game will be easier to manage if stealth wasn't so readily available post attack. Simply put 3s is not enough time to down a high mobility, high evasion, high durability build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg.3961 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Norns can stealth, so technically, any class can stealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbah.3102 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Or just delete thief problem solved !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > You have stealth on "all" classes. Most of it is 5 man AoE. Its called teamwork. It can happen in an MMO. No really, it can. Too many people forget nor build for combos. Of really any sort.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazytophat.4382 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Have a giant bright pink charr sneaking around 2 heads taller than any of the local flora or fauna. "alright guys lets go sneaky beaky" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straegen.2938 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"cobbah.3102" said: > Or just delete thief problem solved !!! and Mesmers, and Engis, and Druids, etc. It ins't a thief problem. It is a stealth design problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Its bad enough perm stealth DE gets even more stealth now...dont encourage more broken ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archmagus.7249 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smoke_field Blast or leap through it and you got stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. oke because i am too lazy to make a new video, here from right after last deadeye rework. now you dont even need kneel anymore and if you use ontop utilities you can drop some of the endurance regen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuKkepUNx1c and you still have all the resources to currently do the combo ontop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk.5460 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. You're both correct. DrD can perma stealth with Black Powder + Bound/Heartseeker/Bound/Heartseeker (using Channeled Vigor on cooldown to maintain endurance for bounds). This doesn't rely on Shadow Arts as combo stealth durations are not affected by meld with shadows. This can be moderately easy to counter by standing in any Black Powder circles that may appear. DE can perma stealth but must use Shadow Arts (hidden thief, meld with shadows) along with DE trait Silent Scope and endurance regen food and just dodge with Rifle plus Hide in Shadows/Mark. This is much harder to counter as there is extremely little risk of being revealed since you are not doing any damaging attacks to gain stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDse.7623 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Turk.5460" said: > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. > > You're both correct. DrD can perma stealth with Black Powder + Bound/Heartseeker/Bound/Heartseeker (using Channeled Vigor on cooldown to maintain endurance for bounds) > > DE can use Shadow Arts (hidden thief, meld with shadows) along with DE trait Silent Scope and endurance regen food and just dodge with Rifle plus Hide in Shadows/Mark. i know hes right that you can permastealth with that, you can aswell permastealth as deadeye with the combo, even without trickery! but he stated that putting a ICD on the combo would result in no longer permastealth, wich is not true. the least you can do is group 3 thieves with SA + SR as that skill by its design will allways stack each pulse. and with 3 thieves that will result in permastealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. > > oke because i am too lazy to make a new video, here from right after last deadeye rework. now you dont even need kneel anymore and if you use ontop utilities you can drop some of the endurance regen. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuKkepUNx1c > and you still have all the resources to currently do the combo ontop! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk.5460 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. > > oke because i am too lazy to make a new video, here from right after last deadeye rework. now you dont even need kneel anymore and if you use ontop utilities you can drop some of the endurance regen. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuKkepUNx1c > and you still have all the resources to currently do the combo ontop! Yeeeeeaaaaaah but who is using Acro with DE? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMelody.6398 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > You have stealth on "all" classes. Most of it is 5 man AoE. Its called teamwork. It can happen in an MMO. No really, it can. That helps not a bit for a 1v1 on a non-stealth class vs a high-stealth class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk.5460 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 > @"Turk.5460" said: > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > @"MUDse.7623" said: > > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > > Also thinking about this a little more: **They just have to put an ICD on the stealth combo and perma stealth is gone**, nobody can ever complain again. > > > > > > > > nope. thats the issue with alot of feedback, people just got no clue. you dont need a combo for permastealth as thief. > > > > > > Enlighten me then. Dropping a field and leaping through it is the most common way. That's a combo. > > > > oke because i am too lazy to make a new video, here from right after last deadeye rework. now you dont even need kneel anymore and if you use ontop utilities you can drop some of the endurance regen. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuKkepUNx1c > > and you still have all the resources to currently do the combo ontop! > > Yeeeeeaaaaaah but who is using Acro with DE? xD Oh nvm I thought you were gaining vigor from acro w/withdraw, didn't pay attention to your trait screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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