Hicci.8761 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Now we just wait for shield rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mraulsx.8057 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > lol no, it hits for like 3k crits, the 2nd and 3rd auto attack chain also moves progressively slower. 3k AA crits? Is that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mraulsx.8057 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 > @"Hicci.8761" said: > Now we just wait for shield rework. What's wrong with shield? Maybe shield 4 could be a "real" block... It does good dmg + provides aegis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknicrofia.2604 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 > @"mraulsx.8057" said: > > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > > lol no, it hits for like 3k crits, the 2nd and 3rd auto attack chain also moves progressively slower. > > 3k AA crits? Is that bad? only the final hit of the chain can crit for that, and it moves at the speed of old orb of light, and considering you're asking if its viable to drop hammer for it, the answer is no, its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeroBoron.7285 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Sadly the auto attacks are projectiles, but feels better then the melee wave. Also some supportive additions would have been nice. Like move the healing in mace aachain to staff and give the mace an aegis or protection Holy Strike is just awesome. 4 pulses in like 1 sec is good. Way better to hit allies. Good job :) also that it is a blast finisher is great :) Empower changes are also fine. Decent changes to the line of warding next please. Like some damage to opponents and giving protection to allies that pass through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opopanax.1803 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Blast finisher is great for healing via blasting water fields or other fields for that matter. A very good addition for group play healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I have used in 3-4 sPvP games as damage weapon using core retaliation and it works. Too early to tell, but I think we have a new build in sPvP using staff/gs with radiance/valor/honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sungak Alkandenes.1369 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 So a ~1200 HealPow Guard can potentially give a 2000 heal with Holy Strike. And that is before adding stuff like Force of Will, which should help too. On a 6.5 second cooldown when traited. Oh the other hand, doing that with a Clerics build gives you almost no damage from the autoattack; my damage oriented Guard (Zerk/Soldier/Marauder) had some decent damage numbers but so-so healing. Possible interesting niche for stat sets like Zealot. That one in particular had been an alternate back in the old days, so perhaps it can be revived well here. I've no interest in doing it (I have separate Guards for the two roles I like with it), but I bring it up in case someone else has an interest in it. Or perhaps recommend a different stat set - the mostly Cleric guard is designed for Map Meta and WvW survival, but preferably 'on the cheap' too. ;-) As for the autoattack, its a decent fix for their core complaint of it being a 'tagging' weapon. You *can* still pull that off, but it now requires much more skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown.3976 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Pretty rework but staff's viability remains questionable. I don't see it having a place in WvW, support FB have get into the thick of battle and staff is just too unwieldy for a front-liner. As a matter of fact, some of the guards' buff are, umm, questionable? Too little to have any impact on the current meta. 10% buff to trueshot in PvE? 20% buff to deadly blow in PvE? What's that supposed to accomplish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknicrofia.2604 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Staff has been meta for WvW for basically ever and will remain meta. And the hammer skill is called Might Blow... Do you even play guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown.3976 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > Staff has been meta for WvW for basically ever and will remain meta. > > And the hammer skill is called Might Blow... > > Do you even play guard? Staff was meta back then becuz folks use it to tag foes in zerg fights. That was quite a long time ago. Don't see it these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 how to get tags in wvw without mah lootstick aa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X T D.6458 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Rework is good, auto attack is a little weak. Still waiting on Necro staff rework, maybe in 2030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fashion Mage.3712 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I like the mini-rework a lot personally. So glad Wave of Farming got replaced (finally). Orb of Light low-key got replaced with a Heal Area-ish skill as well, and it references a monk skill. Very nice. uwu Would've been nice to see Empower be ground-targeted or something since literally everything else on the staff is 1200 range now, but I can live with it. Liking the radius buff on Bow of Truth too, was kind of impossible to use before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runeblade.7514 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I think Staff is meant to be a healer weapon not a power weapon. I've been playing Staff FB healer and its fun to use over mace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threather.9354 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Regarding WvW, it is a great change. Staff autoattacks didnt have much use before as Firebrand was considered healbot and as soon as you were melee range of enemy, you weren't autoattacking anyways, rather healing or using longer range abilities of F1 tome. Now it will still be hard to use but at least the autoattacks can be used to take down siege, downs or low targets etc. Biggest change was at staff 2 ability. Now it is much better as the old ability was slow to use and was mostly limited to using melee range. Now staff 2 can be used to even heal allies far away from tag or just to apply ranged pressure. Basically the weapon has more variety now. And most importantly, it deals damage and heals at the same time, before you had to choose between one or another and you had commit lot of time to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam.4092 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Threather.9354" said: > Regarding WvW, it is a great change. Staff autoattacks didnt have much use before as Firebrand was considered healbot and as soon as you were melee range of enemy, you weren't autoattacking anyways, rather healing or using longer range abilities of F1 tome. Now it will still be hard to use but at least the autoattacks can be used to take down siege, downs or low targets etc. > > Biggest change was at staff 2 ability. Now it is much better as the old ability was slow to use and was mostly limited to using melee range. Now staff 2 can be used to even heal allies far away from tag or just to apply ranged pressure. Basically the weapon has more variety now. And most importantly, it deals damage and heals at the same time, before you had to choose between one or another and you had commit lot of time to it. I didn't think about these things in my reply. That's a cool way to look at the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknicrofia.2604 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Unknown.3976" said: > > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > > Staff has been meta for WvW for basically ever and will remain meta. > > > > And the hammer skill is called Might Blow... > > > > Do you even play guard? > > Staff was meta back then becuz folks use it to tag foes in zerg fights. That was quite a long time ago. Don't see it these days. its literally **still ** the meta build for FB in both WvW and sPvP. Again, do you even play guardian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown.3976 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > > @"Unknown.3976" said: > > > @"Darknicrofia.2604" said: > > > Staff has been meta for WvW for basically ever and will remain meta. > > > > > > And the hammer skill is called Might Blow... > > > > > > Do you even play guard? > > > > Staff was meta back then becuz folks use it to tag foes in zerg fights. That was quite a long time ago. Don't see it these days. > > its literally **still ** the meta build for FB in both WvW and sPvP. > > Again, do you even play guardian? Why do u even bring up PvP ? I wasn't even commenting on that. And staff had a range nerf some time back, which greatly diminishes its' tagging potential, good luck tagging foes with a 300 range wpn. The PoF elite specs didn't help the WvW meta either; if u played WvW for the past 9 months, u ought to know that. This patch might give staff some niche ranged capabilities but it can still be swapped out for an offhand focus or shield for some added survivability. It's far from meta. Who gets to decide the meta? U? Metabattle? And do I even play guardian? Why should I even prove that to you? It's even not remotely useful to this discourse. No reason for me to prove myself to a forum user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I did a fair amount of testing in fractals and staff firebrand works great for support in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetatis.5418 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Hicci.8761" said: > Now we just wait for shield rework. more like mace. except the aegis on mace 3, staff does everything better now :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eruaph.4039 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Kam.4092" said: > I hate the changes. Getting rid of Light Aura sucks on the 2 skill. Might Duration wasn't an issue on Empower, it needed 1-2 more Might stacks added. ... Is this not enough now to allow a support guardian to maintain 25 stacks of might perhaps though? I believe the support Firebrand (from the metabattle site) could maintain about 20 stacks of might before, and only 25 by replacing the mace with a scepter, which of course limited your healing/aegis options. When you multiply that extra two seconds with concentration buffs it should be enough? Might need to do some testing. Though probably the biggest issue remains on that front is that the Firebrand can only give the might to 5 people? Or has that been changed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam.4092 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 > @"Eruaph.4039" said: > > @"Kam.4092" said: > > I hate the changes. Getting rid of Light Aura sucks on the 2 skill. Might Duration wasn't an issue on Empower, it needed 1-2 more Might stacks added. ... > > Is this not enough now to allow a support guardian to maintain 25 stacks of might perhaps though? I believe the support Firebrand (from the metabattle site) could maintain about 20 stacks of might before, and only 25 by replacing the mace with a scepter, which of course limited your healing/aegis options. When you multiply that extra two seconds with concentration buffs it should be enough? Might need to do some testing. Though probably the biggest issue remains on that front is that the Firebrand can only give the might to 5 people? Or has that been changed as well. You never want to drop mace, and to get 25 Might rarely, you'd need to use Altruism Runes. It was a constant 22-23 stacks of Might I think. I mean maybe it'd hit a constant 25 now after the buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaedus.7290 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Overall LOVE the staff changes. Seeing as 3, 4, and 5 have remained the same, the core support is about the same but I think a bit better. * Staff 1 is a ranged attack like it always should have been. Decent speed, slightly subpar dps compared to most every other weapon but that's ok considering it's 1200 range. * Staff 2 is a large improvement imo even with light aura gone. The damage could use a buff but it's otherwise very decent. The overall damage on staff is a bit awkward. It's almost good enough to be used in a power-focused support build but its damage doesn't match any other weapons. Kind of strange really but at the very least, core guard now has a ranged option which is great. What could use improvement: * Staff 4/Empower: more duration isn't really going to help. Support-focused guardians already run like 40%+ boon duration giving them 12 stacks of might for 17+ seconds. Empower could really stand to either be a mobile skill, or just have a faster cast time. It interrupts the flow of gameplay a bit too much. * Staff 5/Line of Warding: Still a very poor skill but given the other changes, I think small changes could make LoW more fun to use. Namely, the cast time should be much lower. 1s cast is too long considering how weak of a skill it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrus.9753 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I'd like to see some burning on the auto attack and/or Holy strike. It doesn't need to be a condition oriented weapon just something to give firebrands marginal damage from it. I like the changes overall, but playing a condition build the damage is pretty much the same as not attacking at all. Staff is a healing weapon I assume, but it seems more oriented for power builds than condition -- It should be equally mediocre for both power and condition builds in terms of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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