Vieux P.1238 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Daishi.6027" said: > It’s annoying but it’s not imba. > > Survivability builds live anyways, anything else requires waiting 4 seconds. > > Yes it promotes a lower skill floor but not in any way that actually matters. whu...whaaat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalal.6783 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Arkantos.7460" said: > Engies to much shrunk > wars to much endure pain > Thieves too much half hp evade passive. Just when you pin down those kittens, they get out of jail free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Arkantos.7460" said: > ALL lifesaver in pvp where ppl have NOTHING done for it, has to go > its braindead playstyle, biggest fail that engi and war simply has nothing to do for it ... and can stomp while immun... But they do have something done for it ... it's a trait they have to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Dont you dare touch my stone heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysdude.3824 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I would love to know the mains from people crying about all these passive invulns. It’s really not hard to beat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delweyn.1309 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Passive is the opposite of skill. Even the player who have it don't know the cd. He can says : "f...k obvioulsy my passive wasn't rdt pffff." Or "YES ! it's good it's good, I'm so lucky fiouhhhh hehe". Passives are needed. But not those who can decide of something like your life or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Delweyn.1309" said: > Passive is the opposite of skill. > > Even the player who have it don't know the cd. He can says : > > "f...k obvioulsy my passive wasn't rdt pffff." > Or > "YES ! it's good it's good, I'm so lucky fiouhhhh hehe". > > Passives are needed. But not those who can decide of something like your life or death. If you can't finish an engi with less than 25% health... that's on you. Also, it's not the opposite of skill. Have you heard of something called strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 According to @Daishi.6027 passives don't change nothing to the gameplay. So why you all complaining. hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipthelip.5802 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 He didn't have to type more those sort of passive abilities are complete garbage and he named the two worst offenders. The answer is not to increase cooldowns like they have done in the past but to remove those op passive traits and replace them with something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 I'm totally fine with not using Defy Pain if the mesmer I managed to target and headbutt after dodging their burst from stealth cant mirage cloak to negate my followup without wasting their endurance. Because that's just as passive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysdude.3824 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros I don’t think this has the boasting effect you’re going for. Wrong game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Rysdude.3824" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros > > I don’t think this has the boasting effect you’re going for. Wrong game. > Weird choice of words cuz most of the passives players tend to whisper you & often **boast** for you to git good after they killed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros This is such a weird argument to me. If I make a strategical decision before combat, is it lazy? Or is it strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros > > This is such a weird argument to me. > > If I make a strategical decision before combat, is it lazy? Or is it strategy? What's strategical on trait's & skill's that proc's with out you even having the need to think about activating them? You know who else does that? Hacker's using bot's & 3rd party programs so they don't have to use any key's on the keyboard themselves. It will run & do it all for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > > > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros > > > > This is such a weird argument to me. > > > > If I make a strategical decision before combat, is it lazy? Or is it strategy? > > What's strategical on trait's & skill's that proc's with out you even having the need to think about activating them? > You know who else does that? Hacker's using bot's & 3rd party programs so they don't have to use any key's on the keyboard themselves. It will run & do it all for them. > Wait, you're equating a trait choice to hacking and/or botting? That's not an argument, that's just absurd. And yes, it is strategy, because it is a trait __choice__. If you have a problem with it, maybe suggest some better alternative traits, because the other two options in that tier are pretty awful. Alchemy is practically mandatory for engineer in PvP as a defensive line. I haven't seen a viable engineer PvP build that hasn't run it in several years. The two options compared to auto elixir S are pretty pitiful, and with the recent buff to temp invuln skills, they're simply not worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > > > > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros > > > > > > This is such a weird argument to me. > > > > > > If I make a strategical decision before combat, is it lazy? Or is it strategy? > > > > What's strategical on trait's & skill's that proc's with out you even having the need to think about activating them? > > You know who else does that? Hacker's using bot's & 3rd party programs so they don't have to use any key's on the keyboard themselves. It will run & do it all for them. > > > > Wait, you're equating a trait choice to hacking and/or botting? That's not an argument, that's just absurd. > > And yes, it is strategy, because it is a trait __choice__. If you have a problem with it, maybe suggest some better alternative traits, because the other two options in that tier are pretty awful. Alchemy is practically mandatory for engineer in PvP as a defensive line. I haven't seen a viable engineer PvP build that hasn't run it in several years. The two options compared to auto elixir S are pretty pitiful, and with the recent buff to temp invuln skills, they're simply not worthwhile. Oh yeah, i'm more then equating. I'm stipulating it. Between passive & 3rd party programs, both proc's abilities, skill's & powers for you. & you gonna argue otherwise? & defend passives for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithranArkanere.8957 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Chaith.8256" said: > This forum: > > This game is too bursty, I can't keep up and avoid instantly dying! > > Also: > > This game has too many lifesaving passives so I can't catch people by surprise and kill them in 2 seconds, reeee Get rid of either. Boom. Problem solved. No more passive gimmicks, no more one hit kill bursts. Everyone with hammer/rifle warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylosi.6503 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 The game passively aims for you, yet apparently it's a couple of passive traits that turn the "highly active" play passive. /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaedus.7290 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Peutrifectus.4830" said: > Save your burst, kite for 4 seconds, delete war. > > Problem? WvW version: Save your burst, kite for 10 seconds, then don't even bother trying to CC them as part of your burst because there's another passive in there for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > @"Vagrant.7206" said: > > > > > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > > > > > All i can say is none of you passive players would be able to handle none passive players if you were forced to actually hit key's to immune yourselves. > > > > > Just saying, lazy play = lazy players = Not real pros > > > > > > > > This is such a weird argument to me. > > > > > > > > If I make a strategical decision before combat, is it lazy? Or is it strategy? > > > > > > What's strategical on trait's & skill's that proc's with out you even having the need to think about activating them? > > > You know who else does that? Hacker's using bot's & 3rd party programs so they don't have to use any key's on the keyboard themselves. It will run & do it all for them. > > > > > > > Wait, you're equating a trait choice to hacking and/or botting? That's not an argument, that's just absurd. > > > > And yes, it is strategy, because it is a trait __choice__. If you have a problem with it, maybe suggest some better alternative traits, because the other two options in that tier are pretty awful. Alchemy is practically mandatory for engineer in PvP as a defensive line. I haven't seen a viable engineer PvP build that hasn't run it in several years. The two options compared to auto elixir S are pretty pitiful, and with the recent buff to temp invuln skills, they're simply not worthwhile. > > Oh yeah, i'm more then equating. I'm stipulating it. Between passive & 3rd party programs, both proc's abilities, skill's & powers for you. & you gonna argue otherwise? & defend passives for real? Your argument about passives being the same as third party botting/hacking software is absurd. I'm not even sure why you're making the comparison. As someone pointed out, the game auto-aims for you. Passives are built into any MMO, and people always claim they are bad things. The reality is that in any MMO, they're part of a strategic decision for whatever your build is. Take for example, traits, gear, or runes that add to your stats or do +damage under X condition. These are passive traits too -- the difference is that they are always on. If a "passive" trait is a problem to you, you'll need to explain specifically why that specific trait is "OP" when compared to other passive traits. And so far, all I've seen about Elixir X or Defy Pain is that "I don't like them because they save a person from a burst." I'm sorry, it's just a passive that happens to activate at a specific time. The difference is these ones prevent one-shots and general "420 no-scope" types of behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 We are not talking about one-shoting ppl . We are talking about being carried by passive trait's & skill's with out relying on using the keyboard. & there's more to hack's then just 420 no scope into oblivion. Seriously! & i'm not saying there hax, i'm saying they act exactly like hax. Big difference. Same low skill gameplay & 420 degree's, is that even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 > @"Vieux P.1238" said: > We are not talking about one-shoting ppl . We are talking about being carried by passive trait's & skill's with out relying on using the keyboard. & there's more to hack's then just 420 no scope into oblivion. Seriously! > & i'm not saying there hax, i'm saying they act exactly like hax. Big difference. Same low skill gameplay > & 420 degree's, is that even possible? Are you trolling? 420 degrees is possible... just talk with your trigonometry teacher some day. You do realize stats, gear, runes, etc., are all passive gameplay? As is the autoaim/autotarget inherent in nearly every MMO? The difference is you don't seem to like this particular passive gameplay, but you haven't said clearly why or what sets this one apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcopaul.2156 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 well you don't have to click every skill. automated skills are there for a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFury.6243 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 > @"Arkantos.7460" said: > Engies to much shrunk > wars to much endure pain > i agree with you all passive lifesaver should be removed from the game but give them to player who play in unranked for free(buff or something) because here where most play start to learn about PvP And that will make ranked more skill base and unranked more of a learning phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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