Linken.6345 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 > @"Emmalouise.1763" said: > > @"Byron Miller.4629" said: > > Hey folks, > > > > Just wanted to give you all a heads up about a change that is coming to future raids. With the next raid wing, we will be introducing a new type of Legendary Trophy: Legendary Divinations. These will **replace** Legendary Insights in the new raid wing, as well as in the Hall of Chains instance. > > > > In addition, we will be offering all players the opportunity to exchange up to 168 Legendary Insights for Legendary Divinations if you’ve killed at least one boss in the **Hall of Chains** raid wing. This adds up to 4 Legendary Divinations per week for the 42 weeks that Hall of Chains has been available, and serves as a means through which you can catch up to the maximum possible available Legendary Trophies that would have been available had we shipped with Legendary Divinations back in November 2017. > > > > Hey, > > Thank you for taking the time to advise us of this. Last week I submitted a support ticket due to a problem with my account LI. I am wondering if you could take a look at it so I have the LI back in time for the exchange next week? > > Cheers > Emz Its not needed mate according to this post you can exchange those li when/if you get it sorted. Byron Miller.4629 ArenaNet › 7:01PM edited 7:01PM @Kitty.6219 said: how would crafting legendary armor work then? I'm like 9 insight shy for my first armor set >.> You don't immediately have to participate in the exchange. If you're working on your armor right now, you could choose to complete it and then exchange any further insights you acquire at your leisure, provided you've made measurable progress against any one of the encounters in Hall of Chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrag.9740 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 If there are new rewards planned for LD, I'm grateful that Anet is letting us convert LI to LD. Considering Anet doesn't keep track of every raid kill we have, there is no way to have an exchange accurately reflect how many w5 kills any of us have. Anet could have easily swapped the rewards and not let any exchange take place. Its easy to point out everything wrong in the imperfect solution of a difficult problem, its much more difficult to find a better solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talindra.4958 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 If number of LD is very important to you, then delay w5 clear until after update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josebaabasolo.5680 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"thrag.9740" said: > If there are new rewards planned for LD, I'm grateful that Anet is letting us convert LI to LD. Considering Anet doesn't keep track of every raid kill we have, there is no way to have an exchange accurately reflect how many w5 kills any of us have. Anet could have easily swapped the rewards and not let any exchange take place. Its easy to point out everything wrong in the imperfect solution of a difficult problem, its much more difficult to find a better solution. API tracks your weekly kills, so they actually can keep track of how many times you looted w5 bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagbard.7192 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Must the first W5 boss kill before the patch (18.09.2018) to get the opportunity to exchange up to 168 Legendary Insights to Legendary Divinations, or can be the first W5 boss kill after the patch (18.09.2018) and getting the the opportunity to exchange up to 168 Legendary Insights to Legendary Divinations too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"josebaabasolo.5680" said: > > @"thrag.9740" said: > > If there are new rewards planned for LD, I'm grateful that Anet is letting us convert LI to LD. Considering Anet doesn't keep track of every raid kill we have, there is no way to have an exchange accurately reflect how many w5 kills any of us have. Anet could have easily swapped the rewards and not let any exchange take place. Its easy to point out everything wrong in the imperfect solution of a difficult problem, its much more difficult to find a better solution. > > API tracks your weekly kills, so they actually can keep track of how many times you looted w5 bosses. It only knows the current week progress, you cannot look up prevvious weeks with the API Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Hagbard.7192" said: > Must the first W5 boss kill before the patch (18.09.2018) to get the opportunity to exchange up to 168 Legendary Insights to Legendary Divinations, or can be the first W5 boss kill after the patch (18.09.2018) and getting the the opportunity to exchange up to 168 Legendary Insights to Legendary Divinations too? Why dont you read the dev quotes in said tread mate already answered Byron Miller.4629 ArenaNet › September 12, 2018 @Mireles Lore.5942 said: Is the participation requirement needed before the patch drops or is that unlimited time frame as well? Participation is not limited. You can earn access to the exchange after the patch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrag.9740 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > @"josebaabasolo.5680" said: > > > @"thrag.9740" said: > > > If there are new rewards planned for LD, I'm grateful that Anet is letting us convert LI to LD. Considering Anet doesn't keep track of every raid kill we have, there is no way to have an exchange accurately reflect how many w5 kills any of us have. Anet could have easily swapped the rewards and not let any exchange take place. Its easy to point out everything wrong in the imperfect solution of a difficult problem, its much more difficult to find a better solution. > > > > API tracks your weekly kills, so they actually can keep track of how many times you looted w5 bosses. > > It only knows the current week progress, you cannot look up prevvious weeks with the API Exactly. Unfortunately Anet doesn't have all the information we wish they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malediktus.9250 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"thrag.9740" said: > > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > > @"josebaabasolo.5680" said: > > > > @"thrag.9740" said: > > > > If there are new rewards planned for LD, I'm grateful that Anet is letting us convert LI to LD. Considering Anet doesn't keep track of every raid kill we have, there is no way to have an exchange accurately reflect how many w5 kills any of us have. Anet could have easily swapped the rewards and not let any exchange take place. Its easy to point out everything wrong in the imperfect solution of a difficult problem, its much more difficult to find a better solution. > > > > > > API tracks your weekly kills, so they actually can keep track of how many times you looted w5 bosses. > > > > It only knows the current week progress, you cannot look up prevvious weeks with the API > Exactly. Unfortunately Anet doesn't have all the information we wish they did. They could probably extract the information from their log files, but maybe making a script that extracts this specific information and converts it into the right format not worth their time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Godrik.5841 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Godrik.5841 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. It doesnt give a time table if and when the exchange will stop. If its anything like what they did when they implemented the wardrobe, i expect it to last a few weeks. And if it doesnt who cares. Not me i assure you. I pug on alt accounts that barely break 5k and have no issue mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > It doesnt give a time table if and when the exchange will stop. Sure they did give a timetable: > @"Byron Miller.4629" said: > > @"Mireles Lore.5942" said: > > Is the participation requirement needed before the patch drops or is that unlimited time frame as well? > > Participation is not limited. You can earn access to the exchange after the patch as well. It is _not limited_. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > It doesnt give a time table if and when the exchange will stop. > > Sure they did give a timetable: > > > @"Byron Miller.4629" said: > > > @"Mireles Lore.5942" said: > > > Is the participation requirement needed before the patch drops or is that unlimited time frame as well? > > > > Participation is not limited. You can earn access to the exchange after the patch as well. > > It is _not limited_. > I amazes me that people dont read dev quotes or if they read they dont understand them at all =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraki.5784 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > > > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > > > > > Seems like a pointless change if you can exchange 168 LI for LD unless new rewards require vastly more than 168 LD > > > > > > > > > > They probably have something planned but don't want people who don't do PoF raids to have instant access to it just because they did raid a lot in HoT is my best guess. > > > > > > > > ok so why would they let us convert at all then seems silly dont it? > > > > > > Well, considering many people have fully cleared W5 countless times over the last months and just now they change the W5 rewards to the new currency it would be quite unfair to not offer this > > > > but they offer anyone the same amount of conversion, even if they only killed 1 boss. that makes it unfair and pointless > > > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Blocki.4931" said: > > > > > > @"Malediktus.9250" said: > > > > > > Seems like a pointless change if you can exchange 168 LI for LD unless new rewards require vastly more than 168 LD > > > > > > > > > > They probably have something planned but don't want people who don't do PoF raids to have instant access to it just because they did raid a lot in HoT is my best guess. > > > > > > > > ok so why would they let us convert at all then seems silly dont it? > > > > > > Well, considering many people have fully cleared W5 countless times over the last months and just now they change the W5 rewards to the new currency it would be quite unfair to not offer this > > > > but they offer anyone the same amount of conversion, even if they only killed 1 boss. that makes it unfair and pointless > > Does it though? This is assuming that for whatever is coming you're going to need 200 or 250 of the currency. The ring might just need that. Which means you'd still have to raid and clear Wing 5 and 6 a respectable amount It would be unreasonable, the first set of legendary armor costs 150 LIs (25LIs*6 pieces), I would find it really strange that a ring (1 piece) would cost more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizel.8175 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. > > Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... That's always a bad argument in a game as unsocial as GW2. It's certainly undeniable that GW2's instanced PvE suffers heavily from several design-decisions, which almost leads to accessiblity converging towards zero. It's almost impossible by now to reasonably get into content like Fractal CMs or Dhuum. The risk that W6 will suffer from the same accessiblity-problems is high, so I can understand people's frustration pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Raizel.8175" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > > > > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > > > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > > > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > > > > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > > > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. > > > > Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... > > That's always a bad argument in a game as unsocial as GW2. It's certainly undeniable that GW2's instanced PvE suffers heavily from several design-decisions, which almost leads to accessiblity converging towards zero. It's almost impossible by now to reasonably get into content like Fractal CMs or Dhuum. The risk that W6 will suffer from the same accessiblity-problems is high, so I can understand people's frustration pretty well. Well find 4 (fractal cm) or 9 (raids) others and start working yourself up like everyone else did at the start then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lana.5276 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 > @"Linken.6345" said: > > @"Raizel.8175" said: > > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > > > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > > > > > > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > > > > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > > > > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > > > > > > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > > > > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. > > > > > > Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... > > > > That's always a bad argument in a game as unsocial as GW2. It's certainly undeniable that GW2's instanced PvE suffers heavily from several design-decisions, which almost leads to accessiblity converging towards zero. It's almost impossible by now to reasonably get into content like Fractal CMs or Dhuum. The risk that W6 will suffer from the same accessiblity-problems is high, so I can understand people's frustration pretty well. > > Well find 4 (fractal cm) or 9 (raids) others and start working yourself up like everyone else did at the start then? That's pretty much it. Either find a group, or lead one yourself. That's what I've done with both raids and fractals. It's easier to weed out the kinds of people you don't want in a group that way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 > @"Raizel.8175" said: > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > > > > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > > > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > > > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > > > > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > > > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. > > > > Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... > > That's always a bad argument in a game as unsocial as GW2. It's certainly undeniable that GW2's instanced PvE suffers heavily from several design-decisions, which almost leads to accessiblity converging towards zero. It's almost impossible by now to reasonably get into content like Fractal CMs or Dhuum. The risk that W6 will suffer from the same accessiblity-problems is high, so I can understand people's frustration pretty well. You saying GW2 is unsocial does not make it so. GW2 is one of the friendliest "pick up and never interact with anyone" games on the market for casual open world (and much of its instanced content), yes. There is a ton of guilds though (as it should be) and I guarantee you, many of those guilds are filled with a bunch of very friendly players of all shapes and sizes. **The fact that the most difficult pve content in this game CAN be puged (a hilarious impossible notion in most other MMOs) is a testament how far Arenanet are willing to simplify content so it is actually doable.** Go pug a Mythic raid in WoW without out- gearing it severely (or even out leveling it). W6 will work exactly like every new wing in the past: - the first weeks will be full with dedicated hardcore raiders figuring out the fights putting in multiple days of training in - a ton of less dedicated players of different skill levels giving it a shot - eventually the very hardcore crowd will introduce kill proof demands - the pool of players who complete the raid or some bosses will gradually increase and with it the amount of kill proof required - some weeks down the road the only reliable way to get experience and initial kills will be to run training raids since even the PUG community will have moved past completion as majority The solution as always to any issues: - be willing to dedicate enough time initially (I myself won't be able to play until October so I get to join 3 weeks later too) - join a guild which does things at their own pace (I'm a member of 3 raid guilds all with different skill levels and people, they all progress at their own pace) - join training runs once the majority of the PUG community has mastered the fights benefiting from often some experienced players helping out Working as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Godrik.5841 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 > @"Cyninja.2954" said: > > @"Raizel.8175" said: > > > @"Tyson.5160" said: > > > > @"Linken.6345" said: > > > > > @"Magnus Godrik.5841" said: > > > > > Meaningless complaints. Im sure this is for the new legendary trinket so we can make multiples of it. You dont have to exchange it if you dont want to. But dont expect them to allow this exchange months down the line either. This is not kp either so dont expect someone with a stack to be a spectacular. If your going to kick someone kick them for poor performance not because they dont have enough of this or that. > > > > > > > > You mean like 9k ap or kick shouldent happen either but it did. > > > > Or the 50, 100, etc kill profs for cm fractals > > > > The community will always find some way to narrow down the groups some way. > > > > > > > > And about not allowing this exchange months down the line, have you read the anet posts in this very thread? > > > > You can do a event wing 5 2 weeks from now and still get to exchange 168 li to new resource whenever you get the li after that. > > > > > > Most of these issues get fixed by doing this stuff with a guild... > > > > That's always a bad argument in a game as unsocial as GW2. It's certainly undeniable that GW2's instanced PvE suffers heavily from several design-decisions, which almost leads to accessiblity converging towards zero. It's almost impossible by now to reasonably get into content like Fractal CMs or Dhuum. The risk that W6 will suffer from the same accessiblity-problems is high, so I can understand people's frustration pretty well. > > You saying GW2 is unsocial does not make it so. > > GW2 is one of the friendliest "pick up and never interact with anyone" games on the market for casual open world (and much of its instanced content), yes. There is a ton of guilds though (as it should be) and I guarantee you, many of those guilds are filled with a bunch of very friendly players of all shapes and sizes. > > **The fact that the most difficult pve content in this game CAN be puged (a hilarious impossible notion in most other MMOs) is a testament how far Arenanet are willing to simplify content so it is actually doable.** Go pug a Mythic raid in WoW without out- gearing it severely (or even out leveling it). > > W6 will work exactly like every new wing in the past: > - the first weeks will be full with dedicated hardcore raiders figuring out the fights putting in multiple days of training in > - a ton of less dedicated players of different skill levels giving it a shot > - eventually the very hardcore crowd will introduce kill proof demands > - the pool of players who complete the raid or some bosses will gradually increase and with it the amount of kill proof required > - some weeks down the road the only reliable way to get experience and initial kills will be to run training raids since even the PUG community will have moved past completion as majority > > The solution as always to any issues: > - be willing to dedicate enough time initially (I myself won't be able to play until October so I get to join 3 weeks later too) > - join a guild which does things at their own pace (I'm a member of 3 raid guilds all with different skill levels and people, they all progress at their own pace) > - join training runs once the majority of the PUG community has mastered the fights benefiting from often some experienced players helping out > > Working as intended. Did you just drop the mic? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cregath.7628 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I skimmed through the thread, but I'm surprised that noone expects that maybe the "upgradable armor" that is shown in the trailer may be another set of Legendary Armor, so that those who only have access to PoF can have a Legendary Armor set from raids as well. Since the game is imagined to be modular and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 > @"Cregath.7628" said: > I skimmed through the thread, but I'm surprised that noone expects that maybe the "upgradable armor" that is shown in the trailer may be another set of Legendary Armor, so that those who only have access to PoF can have a Legendary Armor set from raids as well. Since the game is imagined to be modular and all that. Nah it wont be thats for the living world episode pof got the legendary ring for raid already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamote.1769 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 so dont do w5 b4 patch or youll miss out on 4 extra insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talindra.4958 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 I think the armour is for pvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now