The Angle of Deth.2985 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 This is a 'nothing you do' is right moment. If the game embraces diversity the motivation is questioned. If you don't have diversity the game is accused of not being inclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warkind.6745 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Xenon.4537" said: > This thread reminds me of when we had to argue about Kormir's nose on her freaking statue.... Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrel.6318 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 To be fair living season 4 happens much after path of fire's timeline. And elonians were always in the game. Or well their descendents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"shejesa.3712" said: > is using the current Commander model a deliberate choice that is aimed at pleasing more vocal persons of my race and the Social Justice Warriors or just an overlooked mistake? How about neither? :) There will always be new ways to re-design your original characters whenever new content is released, and then we have to pretend they were always in the game. ;) I had changed one of my characters drastically when PoF gave me the chance:   I also have one Asian looking character with ancestry from Cantha. I am certain there will be many more Asian-looks options once content from Cantha is added to the game. And then we will see a sudden increase of Canthanese Commanders. :) And frankly, even though I am "white", I am super glad this kind of diversity exists in the game, even when some of it is added later on ("Better late than never."). :+1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > Surely, it's common for us fans to share a vision for a PC with ANet's story writers and/or artists and/or marketing professionals. > > > > Shortly after the 2012 launch, one of the long-time GW1 fans posted about their experience with trying to come up with the perfect (human) character design. They had an archetype in mind from before launch and admitted to missing out on some of the fun during _Headstart_, because they really wanted to get it right. Finally, they made their selection and started to play the game. 20 minutes in, they ran into one the ordinary, local color NPCs ... who looked exactly the same. The OP shared a picture of both and I couldn't tell the difference. > > > > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > This one? > > “I spent more than 30 minutes in character creation and this is the [first male NPC I found](https://m.imgur.com/TtcZ0)” That was the one. I guess they were norn, not humans (still, same idea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Dante.1763" said: > Or it could just be that theres many different Commanders and their appearance isnt set in stone and as such there are no issues with how *this* particular commander looks. Well the human commander is most definitely not a kourna/istan native, so it's a pretty safe assumption that the commander should not look like the natives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > Or it could just be that theres many different Commanders and their appearance isnt set in stone and as such there are no issues with how *this* particular commander looks. > Well the human commander is most definitely not a kourna/istan native, so it's a pretty safe assumption that the commander should not look like the natives. > > [Oh?](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kryta) >Today, Kryta is a cultural melting pot, housing human refugees from all over Tyria. Ascalonians, Canthans, Elonians and even Orrians call this place home. Please explain why the commander couldn’t be of Elonian ancestry, and therefore look like the natives of that region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckle Joe.7408 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I don't believe ANET is trying to pander to black people or trying to be inclusive/PC with the skin tones/hairstyles/armor designs. Elona comes from way before PoF, from the Nightfall campaign in the original Guild Wars. They're using an African model because PoF is the new, fresh thing, its purely promotional. When Cantha arrives, we will see more asian characters in the trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aenaos.8160 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Has the commander ever been a Asura or a Charr in a trailer? I don't remember. Too many humans in our trailers lately. Time to take the spotlight from the race that mainly serves as a potential food source and bad jokes material and move on to the fluffier and smarter ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Aenaos.8160" said: > Has the commander ever been a Asura or a Charr in a trailer? > I don't remember. > Too many humans in our trailers lately. > Time to take the spotlight from the race that mainly serves as a potential food source and bad jokes material and move on to the fluffier and smarter ones. I know they've used voice lines from non-human Commanders, but I don't remember any visuals clearly identified as the Commander (as opposed to generic PC, like on the clips showing the Beetle mount or the legendaries). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dami.5046 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It's fantasy. No different that I could moan that female humans always look perfect, have lovely bodies and is not a true representation of most females. But I don't. Please let's not go down the Cantha route of getting offended by a pixel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzify.6832 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Also as a black guy, I literally just found it to be a case of "They're in Elona, so we'll use an Elonan commander." Not everything has to have some kind of political message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > > Or it could just be that theres many different Commanders and their appearance isnt set in stone and as such there are no issues with how *this* particular commander looks. > > Well the human commander is most definitely not a kourna/istan native, so it's a pretty safe assumption that the commander should not look like the natives. > > > > > > [Oh?](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kryta) > > >Today, Kryta is a cultural melting pot, housing human refugees from all over Tyria. Ascalonians, Canthans, Elonians and even Orrians call this place home. > > Please explain why the commander couldn’t be of Elonian ancestry, and therefore look like the natives of that region. One of my characters is an Elonian. All of his great grandparents escaped Elona when it fell to Joko and came to Kryta (not necessarily together) and for various reasons they and their descendants all chose to marry other Elonians, so although he grew up in Kryta he looks Elonian and was taught a lot about their traditions and heritage. Which is kind of the opposite of my other human character whose family is from everywhere (because she's descended from all my GW1 characters, plus however many others I need to make up the numbers). According to her grandfather there's even some Orrians in their ancestry. But her grandfather also claimed her ancestors defeated Abaddon while Kormir just stood there, so I'm not sure he can be considered a reliable source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > > Or it could just be that theres many different Commanders and their appearance isnt set in stone and as such there are no issues with how *this* particular commander looks. > > Well the human commander is most definitely not a kourna/istan native, so it's a pretty safe assumption that the commander should not look like the natives. > > > > > > [Oh?](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kryta) > > >Today, Kryta is a cultural melting pot, housing human refugees from all over Tyria. Ascalonians, Canthans, Elonians and even Orrians call this place home. > > Please explain why the commander couldn’t be of Elonian ancestry, and therefore look like the natives of that region. They would have been of mixed ancestry. Same reason that African Americans look different from actual Africans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > Surely, it's common for us fans to share a vision for a PC with ANet's story writers and/or artists and/or marketing professionals. > > > > Shortly after the 2012 launch, one of the long-time GW1 fans posted about their experience with trying to come up with the perfect (human) character design. They had an archetype in mind from before launch and admitted to missing out on some of the fun during _Headstart_, because they really wanted to get it right. Finally, they made their selection and started to play the game. 20 minutes in, they ran into one the ordinary, local color NPCs ... who looked exactly the same. The OP shared a picture of both and I couldn't tell the difference. > > > > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > This one? > > “I spent more than 30 minutes in character creation and this is the [first male NPC I found](https://m.imgur.com/TtcZ0)” Knut, meet Knut no no no no..... wait. "I'm you from the future, and we totally become a bad ass" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > @"Just a flesh wound.3589" said: > > > @"Crinn.7864" said: > > > > @"Dante.1763" said: > > > > Or it could just be that theres many different Commanders and their appearance isnt set in stone and as such there are no issues with how *this* particular commander looks. > > > Well the human commander is most definitely not a kourna/istan native, so it's a pretty safe assumption that the commander should not look like the natives. > > > > > > > > > > [Oh?](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kryta) > > > > >Today, Kryta is a cultural melting pot, housing human refugees from all over Tyria. Ascalonians, Canthans, Elonians and even Orrians call this place home. > > > > Please explain why the commander couldn’t be of Elonian ancestry, and therefore look like the natives of that region. > They would have been of mixed ancestry. Same reason that African Americans look different from actual Africans. > Yet most are still recognizably of African descent and with the way the genetic dice rolls, even people who look white (but have African ancestry) can have a black child, and vice versa. So even if the Commander is of mixed race (and there’s nothing that says s/he must be for even some African Americans have no mixed ancestry) s/he still could look completely Elonian. Edit: interesting story that highlights the fact that your ancestry doesn’t dictate how you look. [blond Bombshell. Black parents, white baby](https://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edelweiss.4261 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 >Social Justice Warriors This thread is in need of locking already. Mods, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorudo.9054 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 and this is the problem of today, ppl see everything in the most ridicules things. isn't it time ppl stop overthinking stuff, just let it be the way it is instead of being offended by the first sign of disagreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOrlyFactor.8341 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 And here I thought Reddit was bad for looking for stuff to needlessly whine about. I mean, it's still bad but wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castigator.3470 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 > @"Batel.9206" said: > There is literally nothing to get upset over. I remember in one of the ArenaNet videos they discussed the current model of the Commander, saying that it just fits thematically for Elona. Makes sense. They want to show off the cool new customizations (some of those hairstyles are *awesome*) and armor, and it makes sense, due to the story, that it's with an Elonian Commander. I don't see a problem. If the story goes elsewhere, the Commander might be represented by a charr (if we go to the Blood Legion homeland, for instance) or a sylvari (if we ever find out what happened to Malyck/explore the Maguuma Jungle further), or an asura, or a human who looks like they came from Cantha, or...anything else. "The Commander" is whoever fits the story at the moment. I am ready for the Blood Legion Homelands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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