incisorr.9502 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 mirage is playable but not meta by any means, it's the weakest playable build right now compared to all the meta stuff which is all power core guard, revenant, reaper, warrior i guess arena net finally bowed down to all the forum whiners that are too greedy to get condi removal in their builds cause they nerfed every single condition build possible over time for different classes and they also nerfed mirage like 15 patches straight up to a point where it's more likely for me to be the only mesmer player out of 10 people than to have more mesmers than core guards/revenants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicariuz.1605 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 am i trolled? this cant be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadCrowned.6834 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Must be a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megametzler.5729 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"incisorr.9502" said: > mirage is playable but not meta by any means, it's the weakest playable build right now compared to all the meta stuff (...) Remember this day. Wish they'd finally bring down mirage's condi application and then focus on reducing the overall cleansing abilities. Build diversity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > @"incisorr.9502" said: > > mirage is playable but not meta by any means, it's the weakest playable build right now compared to all the meta stuff (...) > > Remember this day. > > Wish they'd finally bring down mirage's condi application and then focus on reducing the overall cleansing abilities. Build diversity! They need to bring down condi burst across the board. Don't know why it was left in this sorry state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 If you looking for condi then scourge and engi are meta . I theory also condi sword weaver but has some down sides in terms of defense. The SC built has also the down side of been even more reliable on a chrono then even the usually weaver has. There is a built from me in the forum which lose 3k but is less reliant on chrono. Other built may haven been nerfed because of pvp reasons only scourge as an exception and builds with a complex rota or heavily reliant on other classes remains because of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megametzler.5729 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Solori.6025" said: > > @"Megametzler.5729" said: > > > @"incisorr.9502" said: > > > mirage is playable but not meta by any means, it's the weakest playable build right now compared to all the meta stuff (...) > > > > Remember this day. > > > > Wish they'd finally bring down mirage's condi application and then focus on reducing the overall cleansing abilities. Build diversity! > > They need to bring down condi burst across the board. Don't know why it was left in this sorry state. Well, I do think scourge is kinda fine right now. But I agree, when they bring down cleanses, it has to be adjusted too. Which other class than mirage could you be speaking of? Please don't say engi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Condi engi is meta? I haven't seen one of those in over a year at the least. Condi mirage/scourge are still very common though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said: > If you looking for condi then scourge and engi are meta . I theory also condi sword weaver but has some down sides in terms of defense. The SC built has also the down side of been even more reliable on a chrono then even the usually weaver has. There is a built from me in the forum which lose 3k but is less reliant on chrono. > > Other built may haven been nerfed because of pvp reasons only scourge as an exception and builds with a complex rota or heavily reliant on other classes remains because of this Condi scourge? its all power scourge thanks to the whiners.Condi was been gutted and is no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FyzE.3472 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 10/10 would read again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Mirage and scourge are surely meta builds. The issue is no other condi build is even remotely viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossun.2046 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Plz bring back Condi engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeL.8260 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 I've been playing Condi Mirage since PoF, its not as popular as it used to be but its far from unviable and frankly I'm fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coro.3176 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Lord of the Fire.6870" said: > If you looking for condi then scourge and engi are meta . I theory also condi sword weaver but has some down sides in terms of defense. The SC built has also the down side of been even more reliable on a chrono then even the usually weaver has. There is a built from me in the forum which lose 3k but is less reliant on chrono. > > Other built may haven been nerfed because of pvp reasons only scourge as an exception and builds with a complex rota or heavily reliant on other classes remains because of this ... engi???? in what fucking universe? It's probably the worst condi build out there due to its .. oh .. oh I see what you did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 The real tournament meta is Condi Mesmer, Condi Scourge, Firebrand, Holo/Warrior, and an open DPS spot.. maybe the gold3 solo queue meta is all power Reaper/Rev, you should really clarify :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeL.8260 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Chaith.8256" said: > The real tournament meta is Condi Mesmer, Condi Scourge, Firebrand, Holo/Warrior, and an open DPS spot.. maybe the gold3 solo queue meta is all power Reaper/Rev, you should really clarify :lol: I see mostly Power Shatters in plat 2 so it's not really related to rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coro.3176 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Condi in general is in a bad spot for pvp. It takes longer to kill than power, plus your opponent can cleanse your damage. If you land your burst as a power holo, your opponent is dead. If you land your burst as a power deadeye, your opponent is dead If you land your burst as a power revenant, your opponent is dead If you land your burst as a power soulbeast, your opponent is dead ... etc. etc. If you land your burst as a condi engi/ranger/rev/whatever (riskier, harder to do on most classes), your opponent has ~10s to cleanse the condi or get resistance, or get help from a nearby support build, or just turn around and burst you dead with power before they go down, or at worst, sit on the node and stall while the condi ticks. Normally, this would be balanced by the availability of tanky gear so that condi can at least survive while they need to reapply their burst again and again. In PvP, the condi/tank amulets have been removed, plus with the amount of burst out there, tanky gear doesn't help much anyway. The only builds that are viable are viable not because they use condi, but because they are cheesy in other ways (eg. covering the entire point with scourge aoe, mirage evade spam) in addition to completely overwhelming normal condi cleanse with either constant reapplication (mirage, thief) or huge corrupt/bomb (scourge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peutrifectus.4830 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 #bringbackdireinpvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Peutrifectus.4830" said: > #bringbackdireinpvp #Nooooooope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peutrifectus.4830 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Kako.1930" said: > > @"Peutrifectus.4830" said: > > #bringbackdireinpvp > > #Nooooooope XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"coro.3176" said: > Condi in general is in a bad spot for pvp. It takes longer to kill than power, plus your opponent can cleanse your damage. > > If you land your burst as a power holo, your opponent is dead. > If you land your burst as a power deadeye, your opponent is dead > If you land your burst as a power revenant, your opponent is dead > If you land your burst as a power soulbeast, your opponent is dead > ... etc. etc. > > If you land your burst as a condi engi/ranger/rev/whatever (riskier, harder to do on most classes), your opponent has ~10s to cleanse the condi or get resistance, or get help from a nearby support build, or just turn around and burst you dead with power before they go down, or at worst, sit on the node and stall while the condi ticks. > > Normally, this would be balanced by the availability of tanky gear so that condi can at least survive while they need to reapply their burst again and again. In PvP, the condi/tank amulets have been removed, plus with the amount of burst out there, tanky gear doesn't help much anyway. > > The only builds that are viable are viable not because they use condi, but because they are cheesy in other ways (eg. covering the entire point with scourge aoe, mirage evade spam) in addition to completely overwhelming normal condi cleanse with either constant reapplication (mirage, thief) or huge corrupt/bomb (scourge). Bro most scourges are now power bomb scourges in wvw.they nerfed condi scourge to death, and its the only thing they got besides corrupt boons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incisorr.9502 Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 scourge without support is garbage and support is a 2nd person, by that logic u can prolly make ele with grieving amulet work or something scourge and mesmer aren't good outside of your 1300 elo where u cant play so u dont know what mesmer does and how to counter it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Axl.8924" said: > > @"coro.3176" said: > > Condi in general is in a bad spot for pvp. It takes longer to kill than power, plus your opponent can cleanse your damage. > > > > If you land your burst as a power holo, your opponent is dead. > > If you land your burst as a power deadeye, your opponent is dead > > If you land your burst as a power revenant, your opponent is dead > > If you land your burst as a power soulbeast, your opponent is dead > > ... etc. etc. > > > > If you land your burst as a condi engi/ranger/rev/whatever (riskier, harder to do on most classes), your opponent has ~10s to cleanse the condi or get resistance, or get help from a nearby support build, or just turn around and burst you dead with power before they go down, or at worst, sit on the node and stall while the condi ticks. > > > > Normally, this would be balanced by the availability of tanky gear so that condi can at least survive while they need to reapply their burst again and again. In PvP, the condi/tank amulets have been removed, plus with the amount of burst out there, tanky gear doesn't help much anyway. > > > > The only builds that are viable are viable not because they use condi, but because they are cheesy in other ways (eg. covering the entire point with scourge aoe, mirage evade spam) in addition to completely overwhelming normal condi cleanse with either constant reapplication (mirage, thief) or huge corrupt/bomb (scourge). > > Bro most scourges are now power bomb scourges in wvw.they nerfed condi scourge to death, and its the only thing they got besides corrupt boons. > Bro wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 > @"Peutrifectus.4830" said: > #bringbackdireinpvp What do you mean "back"? Dire never existed in PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daishi.6027 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Condi mirage is still really strong... honestly feel like the mirage nerfs needs to target the output, not the jaunt and vigor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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