Ayrilana.1396 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Players can get tags on every mob outside of a squad all the time if they run a DPS build. I had no issues getting tags on everything when I used to farm lab. A commander has zero claim on all of the doors. If someone decides to solo a door then they’re well in their right. Thinking otherwise just reminds me of the Queensdale champ train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MokahTGS.7850 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I like using my valkyrie build neco with staff for farming along with torch for locusts and speed. Wells are also good for targeting a bunch. Don't know if its the most efficient, but I can take boss hits to the face and don't go down. It's a good thing to have when Steve shows up behind you with a chainsaw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > Take off trinkets > > > Don't mount engage > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying Presumably PvE tagging functions the same as WvW tagging, which means its incredibly easy to cheat your system of "shunned" players. Bring a healer/support. It lowers the tag threshhold so you only need to tap mobs, as long as you've healed the players getting the tag you get it too. I run it on my magi blood scourge and dont care about the squad, lazily flailing with double daggers (the staff is on some other character I forgot lol) and using the shade mostly to tag and still get 350+ bags an hour. Not hardcore farming (I get bored after just 20m and have to push myself for 1h) but meh it works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The lab as always is fun. If you make a job of it then something has gone a miss. A lot of peeps don't get, fire and tab. That said another idea versus telling peeps to remove trinkets is switch trinkets off of zerk to something so that they need revived less. Would love to see the numbers from Anet on how many peeps drop to Steve. Now if we could get back daily reviver or a small karma boost for revives it would be all the better. This holiday is a blast and only regrets is that it runs only 3 vs 4 weeks. And the banter between the king and prince, just fun, hats off to both voice actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robban.1256 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > > > > > Take off trinkets > > > > > > > Don't mount engage > > > > > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > > > > > > > > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > > > > > > > > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying > > > > > > > > source?, and you missing fireworks MF buff in the video > > > > > > Source: been doing it all week? Lol, it's how looting works > > > > > > I'm aware I'm missing the fireworks, not going to update the video because that's a pain in the kitten > > > > Then my "source" says that ain't true :) cus you don't have an proof. > > Last 5s of the clip posted :> Last clip only shows your build and MF. and you said in the clip you did average 750 ToT bags with +700%MF over the course of 10 hours. ( in the video description ) edit- yet in this post you said you did get +850 bags / hour which is 100 more than the video is tellin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 > @"Robban.1256" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > > > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > > > > > > Take off trinkets > > > > > > > > Don't mount engage > > > > > > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying > > > > > > > > > > source?, and you missing fireworks MF buff in the video > > > > > > > > Source: been doing it all week? Lol, it's how looting works > > > > > > > > I'm aware I'm missing the fireworks, not going to update the video because that's a pain in the kitten > > > > > > Then my "source" says that ain't true :) cus you don't have an proof. > > > > Last 5s of the clip posted :> > > Last clip only shows your build and MF. and you said in the clip you did average 750 ToT bags with +700%MF over the course of 10 hours. ( in the video description ) Last clip shows 2m remaining on a 2h item booster with 1500 bags in the inventory. Be kinda dumb to waste an item booster if I had bought the bags instead of farming them? Though I guess people are prone to bullshit like that, so the only real method to show you guys would be to stream a lab farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I've given a little thought to the "take off your trinkets" thing, and it would seem to only work if EVERYBODY does it. Further, I don't get any different results when I'm in a squad or not. I get less if I follow the rules. So, I'm calling the whole lawyered-up squad thing bunk. If I'm in a squad, I follow the rules. But, none have ever said "no trinkets". (And, I will immediately leave if one ever does. I'm playing for ME, not some commune of players.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 > @"Daddicus.6128" said: > I've given a little thought to the "take off your trinkets" thing, and it would seem to only work if EVERYBODY does it. > > Further, I don't get any different results when I'm in a squad or not. I get less if I follow the rules. So, I'm calling the whole lawyered-up squad thing bunk. > > If I'm in a squad, I follow the rules. But, none have ever said "no trinkets". (And, I will immediately leave if one ever does. I'm playing for ME, not some commune of players.) There's literally no difference in personal bags with and without trinkets. With trinkets on though, only the first 5 people to hit a mob get loot. So really, you're just saying 'I'm going to be a quaggan and fuck everyone else, to no personal gain' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 > @"Robban.1256" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > > > > Take off trinkets > > > > > > Don't mount engage > > > > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > > > > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > > > > > > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > > > > > > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > > > > > > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying > > > > > > source?, and you missing fireworks MF buff in the video > > > > Source: been doing it all week? Lol, it's how looting works > > > > I'm aware I'm missing the fireworks, not going to update the video because that's a pain in the kitten > > Then my "source" says that ain't true :) cus you don't have an proof. 830 bags in 1h, with slow door times due to a lot of uplevels. so 830 in a non ideal run to show that you don't need perfect conditions to get 800+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddicus.6128 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"Daddicus.6128" said: > > I've given a little thought to the "take off your trinkets" thing, and it would seem to only work if EVERYBODY does it. > > > > Further, I don't get any different results when I'm in a squad or not. I get less if I follow the rules. So, I'm calling the whole lawyered-up squad thing bunk. > > > > If I'm in a squad, I follow the rules. But, none have ever said "no trinkets". (And, I will immediately leave if one ever does. I'm playing for ME, not some commune of players.) > > There's literally no difference in personal bags with and without trinkets. With trinkets on though, only the first 5 people to hit a mob get loot. So really, you're just saying 'I'm going to be a quaggan and kitten everyone else, to no personal gain' No, not that. I'm too slow to stay in the front getting the loot. What I'm saying is that the theory is crap, because A: there's no way to enforce it, and B: it's in every player's self-interest to let OTHER people do it, but to personally choose to NOT do it. It's a very similar problem to the one communism and socialism have as economic philosophies: they only work if everybody lives to the ideal. But, human nature gets in the way, because there will always be people who will abuse the others' good will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 > @"Daddicus.6128" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"Daddicus.6128" said: > > > I've given a little thought to the "take off your trinkets" thing, and it would seem to only work if EVERYBODY does it. > > > > > > Further, I don't get any different results when I'm in a squad or not. I get less if I follow the rules. So, I'm calling the whole lawyered-up squad thing bunk. > > > > > > If I'm in a squad, I follow the rules. But, none have ever said "no trinkets". (And, I will immediately leave if one ever does. I'm playing for ME, not some commune of players.) > > > > There's literally no difference in personal bags with and without trinkets. With trinkets on though, only the first 5 people to hit a mob get loot. So really, you're just saying 'I'm going to be a quaggan and kitten everyone else, to no personal gain' > > No, not that. I'm too slow to stay in the front getting the loot. > > What I'm saying is that the theory is kitten, because A: there's no way to enforce it, and B: it's in every player's self-interest to let OTHER people do it, but to personally choose to NOT do it. > > It's a very similar problem to the one communism and socialism have as economic philosophies: they only work if everybody lives to the ideal. But, human nature gets in the way, because there will always be people who will abuse the others' good will. You can't control other players, but you can ask them nicely If no one plays along, only the first 5 people get loot. But if some of those people play along, you can extend that to 10+ people. By just asking politely, you have the potential to increase squad loot overall. Which is why it's worth mentioning. And if the squad sucks, like one I had last night, I just tag down and change maps. Start over and hope for a better group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > > > > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > > > > > > > Take off trinkets > > > > > > > > > Don't mount engage > > > > > > > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying > > > > > > > > > > > > source?, and you missing fireworks MF buff in the video > > > > > > > > > > Source: been doing it all week? Lol, it's how looting works > > > > > > > > > > I'm aware I'm missing the fireworks, not going to update the video because that's a pain in the kitten > > > > > > > > Then my "source" says that ain't true :) cus you don't have an proof. > > > > > > Last 5s of the clip posted :> > > > > Last clip only shows your build and MF. and you said in the clip you did average 750 ToT bags with +700%MF over the course of 10 hours. ( in the video description ) > > Last clip shows 2m remaining on a 2h item booster with 1500 bags in the inventory. Be kinda dumb to waste an item booster if I had bought the bags instead of farming them? Though I guess people are prone to kitten like that, so the only real method to show you guys would be to stream a lab farm And you feel the need to prove yourself why? People can either take your advice or not - it shouldn't matter to you. After reading your thread, I made some changes and as a result, I'm earning more bags than before. I'm not earning as many as you, but I've also not configured everything the same way, nor am I playing the Lab as long; I also don't really care. I'm getting more bags now than I was before I read your thread. Full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisenHowl.2419 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 > @"Turkeyspit.3965" said: > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > @"Robban.1256" said: > > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Zoltar MacRoth.7146" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"RisenHowl.2419" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"FrizzFreston.5290" said: > > > > > > > > > > > Whether its raiding or farming, seems all a bit too elitist for me. I seriously prefer playing on my own terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once such things enter open world, be aware that you are always sharing the map with players who may not share your playstyle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're right, this is a guide tailored to getting the most out of your and everyone else's time. If you'd prefer to do things your own way, to the detriment of those who are running with you, no one can stop you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're running with me though and can't follow the simple rules: > > > > > > > > > > Take off trinkets > > > > > > > > > > Don't mount engage > > > > > > > > > > Don't open doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll happily kick you and lock squad so you can try your luck elsewhere =D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I may play Devil's Advocate here for a moment........ that seems like an empty threat. Sure, you can kick 'em out but what's to stop them from following your squad anyway? It's like saying: if you don't play by my rules, I'm going to give you a really angry stare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why I lock squad. You only get loot if your party/ squad does 20% of the mobs hp in damage and you personally score at least one hit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't in the squad you need to do 20% of the damage on your own, while competing with 24 other people for that damage. So you'll still get loot from maybe every 20th mob if you're lucky, but it's massively decreased overall. Which forces someone to either stay and get (comparitively) nothing, or move to another map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't kick someone off the map, but you can deincentivize them from staying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source?, and you missing fireworks MF buff in the video > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: been doing it all week? Lol, it's how looting works > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm aware I'm missing the fireworks, not going to update the video because that's a pain in the kitten > > > > > > > > > > Then my "source" says that ain't true :) cus you don't have an proof. > > > > > > > > Last 5s of the clip posted :> > > > > > > Last clip only shows your build and MF. and you said in the clip you did average 750 ToT bags with +700%MF over the course of 10 hours. ( in the video description ) > > > > Last clip shows 2m remaining on a 2h item booster with 1500 bags in the inventory. Be kinda dumb to waste an item booster if I had bought the bags instead of farming them? Though I guess people are prone to kitten like that, so the only real method to show you guys would be to stream a lab farm > > And you feel the need to prove yourself why? People can either take your advice or not - it shouldn't matter to you. After reading your thread, I made some changes and as a result, I'm earning more bags than before. I'm not earning as many as you, but I've also not configured everything the same way, nor am I playing the Lab as long; I also don't really care. I'm getting more bags now than I was before I read your thread. Full stop. Thank you, I'm glad it's working for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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