Stand The Wall.6987 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 from notes: Additionally, soulbeasts are currently overperforming in competitive game modes, so we're lowering the power of some of the skills used in their builds. We also took this opportunity to enhance a few of their weaker stances. Dolyak Stance: This skill no longer applies retaliation. Instead, it now reduces incoming condition damage and physical damage by 33% for the duration of the stance in addition to its other effects. trollnet strikes again folks  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazer.2157 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Hasn't the cooldown gone up as well? By like 10 secs? I play a soulbeast and I agree with the changes. The stances did require a higher cd as soulbeast was becoming a duelist class and a roamer. Now with the nerfs, soulbeasts have less of a chance to face tank and have to rely on juking even more. Granted, this patch makes the longbow more viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"Tazer.2157" said: > Hasn't the cooldown gone up as well? By like 10 secs? I play a soulbeast and I agree with the changes. The stances did require a higher cd as soulbeast was becoming a duelist class and a roamer. Now with the nerfs, soulbeasts have less of a chance to face tank and have to rely on juking even more. Granted, this patch makes the longbow more viable. no lol but nice try. I didn't cut out anything. its moa stance that got a 15 sec cd increase. edit oh lol I guess im wrong. nvm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 So what if soulbeast was becoming a duelist? Rangers don’t require to be range based,their rangers cuz they range off the land not because their archers who excel at range, if ranger ever lost a lot of its dueling potential a lot of the people including me would drop the class, nurfs were pretty fair this round tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonzhunter.8506 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > from notes: > > Additionally, soulbeasts are currently overperforming in competitive game modes, so we're lowering the power of some of the skills used in their builds. We also took this opportunity to enhance a few of their weaker stances. > > Dolyak Stance: This skill no longer applies retaliation. Instead, it now reduces incoming condition damage and physical damage by 33% for the duration of the stance in addition to its other effects. > > trollnet strikes again folks >  > I can't call this one a buff. Why? Because usual a boonbeast build, can stack more than 20 sec protection, and in synergy with Second skin, could have those 33% damages reduction. Usually you use Dolyak Stance when you need to defend yourself, so in the same time when you use protection ... if Second Skin 33% damage reduction for condi it will stack with 33% reduction from Dolyak Stance, so if, just if we get 66% damage reduction, yes, I can say that this is a big buff, otherwise, many times this 33% damage reduction it will be useless or let's say less helper than was Retaliation. But, in the same time, I can agree with you that if you can manage to use protection skills (and passive traits) and after these are on CD you use Dolyak Stance, yes, this could be called a real buff ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonzhunter.8506 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. Agree with you. Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say anything about it CD, so wasn't left out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Another thing griffon stance in games says it gives you super> @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. > > Agree with you. > Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say nothing about it CD, so wasn't left out ? Griffon stance in game says it gives you superspeed but it doesn't work and it was lowered to a 30 sec cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinnel.4369 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I believe Superspeed from Griffon is only on evade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonzhunter.8506 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > Another thing griffon stance in games says it gives you super> @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > > > > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. > > > > Agree with you. > > Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say anything about it CD, so wasn't left out ? > > > Griffon stance in game says it gives you superspeed but it doesn't work and it was lowered to a 30 sec cd Well, in the patch they didn't mention anything about superspeed, only about the casting time is no more instant and gives you 1 sec of evade. "Griffon Stance: This skill is no longer instant and now evades for 1 second in addition to its current effects." So probably in the game, it is a bug in the description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinnel.4369 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > Another thing griffon stance in games says it gives you super> @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > > > > > > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. > > > > > > Agree with you. > > > Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say anything about it CD, so wasn't left out ? > > > > > > Griffon stance in game says it gives you superspeed but it doesn't work and it was lowered to a 30 sec cd > > Well, in the patch they didn't mention anything about superspeed, only about the casting time is no more instant and gives you 1 sec of evade. > "Griffon Stance: This skill is no longer instant and now evades for 1 second in addition to its current effects." > So probably in the game, it is a bug in the description. Getting Superspeed only on evades while stance is active in WvW. So, if it's an effect of the stance, do allies also get all of it? The evade, the endurance, endurance regen, might and superspeed on evade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleazar.9478 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 > @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > Another thing griffon stance in games says it gives you super> @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > > > > > > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. > > > > > > Agree with you. > > > Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say anything about it CD, so wasn't left out ? > > > > > > Griffon stance in game says it gives you superspeed but it doesn't work and it was lowered to a 30 sec cd > > Well, in the patch they didn't mention anything about superspeed, only about the casting time is no more instant and gives you 1 sec of evade. > "Griffon Stance: This skill is no longer instant and now evades for 1 second in addition to its current effects." > So probably in the game, it is a bug in the description. Considering how they missed other stuff such as CD changes it may be bugged and didn't make it into the patch notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowcat.2680 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Did some impromptu testing in WvW to see how the damage reduction from Dolyak Stance interacts with that from protection (w/ Second Skin traited). It seems to stack for 66% damage reduction from both direct damage and conditions. All I did for the condition portion was step into the lava on the red map to test its burning ticks. With no protection and no Dolyak Stance, the burning ticked for 136. With both active it ticked for 46 instead. Likewise, the veteran bristlebacks in the middle of the map did 66% less direct damage (900 crits went to 300) with both active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardRider.2980 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Get protection (From anywhere) boom -66% condi ...xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > It was a nerf. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet.1584 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 > @"Shadowcat.2680" said: > Did some impromptu testing in WvW to see how the damage reduction from Dolyak Stance interacts with that from protection (w/ Second Skin traited). It seems to stack for 66% damage reduction from both direct damage and conditions. All I did for the condition portion was step into the lava on the red map to test its burning ticks. With no protection and no Dolyak Stance, the burning ticked for 136. With both active it ticked for 46 instead. Likewise, the veteran bristlebacks in the middle of the map did 66% less direct damage (900 crits went to 300) with both active. > > If that had been added to Druid at least it would have made it a better WvW healer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 > @"Tinnel.4369" said: > > @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > > @"Eleazar.9478" said: > > > Another thing griffon stance in games says it gives you super> @"Dragonzhunter.8506" said: > > > > > @"shadowpass.4236" said: > > > > > It was a nerf. Both Moa Stance AND Dolyak Stance cd got increased to 40 seconds. Somehow, the DS cd increase got left out of the patch notes. > > > > > > > > > > The damage reduction on DS is a buff but the cd increases already reduced the strength of the meta build fairly significantly. > > > > > > > > Agree with you. > > > > Regarding Dolyak Stance, they didn't say anything about it CD, so wasn't left out ? > > > > > > > > > Griffon stance in game says it gives you superspeed but it doesn't work and it was lowered to a 30 sec cd > > > > Well, in the patch they didn't mention anything about superspeed, only about the casting time is no more instant and gives you 1 sec of evade. > > "Griffon Stance: This skill is no longer instant and now evades for 1 second in addition to its current effects." > > So probably in the game, it is a bug in the description. > > Getting Superspeed only on evades while stance is active in WvW. So, if it's an effect of the stance, do allies also get all of it? The evade, the endurance, endurance regen, might and superspeed on evade? > Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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