sokeenoppa.5384 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"borgs.6103" said: > > @"sokeenoppa.5384" said: > > Legendaries are a thing you know. > Yeah, tell the huge majority of the population that. > > Majority of population who actually needs templates has a legendary gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgs.6103 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"sokeenoppa.5384" said: > > @"borgs.6103" said: > > > @"sokeenoppa.5384" said: > > > Legendaries are a thing you know. > > Yeah, tell the huge majority of the population that. > > > > > > Majority of population who actually needs templates has a legendary gear. Source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lottie.5370 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"vyncius.6105" said: > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > @"vyncius.6105" said: > > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > > Why won't arc build work anymore? > > > > > > Delta (arc creator) had agreenment with anet that he will not update his templates, when anet release theirs > > > > I see > > But what I'm seeing is that new new anet template will be a far cry in abilities then what arc has? > > arc was unlimited, free, easy to use. > Anets is limited to max 6 gear templates and max to 30 trait/utility templates Who needs more than 6 gear templates for one character?? Seems like people are mad because they feel entitled to something that was made as a free add-on, that was in no way part of the actual game, that is going to stop working. You should never get attached to third party software because you have no guarantee that it will always work, and Anet has no responsibility to keep it functioning. Do I feel like we should have to pay for build templates? No. Sure they're giving us 3 per character, but I do think it should be unlimited - why wouldn't you want people to be playing a diverse set of builds? But maybe you should be complaining about that instead of crying about ArcDPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Lottie.5370" said: > Who needs more than 6 gear templates for one character?? Anyone playing both pve and WvW Pve has different gear for power, condi, heal and support (with most classes being able to have useful builds in at least 3 of those roles). WvW, besides the condi/power split, uses different gear/builds for roaming and zerging. Also, the wvw gear is in general different than for pve, because in WvW you would want at least a bit of defensive stats regardless of your roles. And all that is _without_ getting into minmaxing for different specific environments. Getting capped on gear templates and still needing more is easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"flog.3485" said: > > @"Konrad Curze.5130" said: > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > Why won't arc build work anymore? > > > > Because ANet has gone from improving their game to shamelessly stealing from community efforts the laziest possible way to make a penny > > Right because a free update that has been in development for 2+ years doesn’t need any return on investment ? /s The update wasn't being developed in the void. It's part of a whole game, which _does_ already give a return on investment. Where do you think the money from overpriced mount skins go to? Because i thought they were meant to be used to fund exactly this kind of features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokeenoppa.5384 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Lottie.5370" said: > > @"vyncius.6105" said: > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > > @"vyncius.6105" said: > > > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > > > Why won't arc build work anymore? > > > > > > > > Delta (arc creator) had agreenment with anet that he will not update his templates, when anet release theirs > > > > > > I see > > > But what I'm seeing is that new new anet template will be a far cry in abilities then what arc has? > > > > arc was unlimited, free, easy to use. > > Anets is limited to max 6 gear templates and max to 30 trait/utility templates > > Who needs more than 6 gear templates for one character?? > > Seems like people are mad because they feel entitled to something that was made as a free add-on, that was in no way part of the actual game, that is going to stop working. You should never get attached to third party software because you have no guarantee that it will always work, and Anet has no responsibility to keep it functioning. > > Do I feel like we should have to pay for build templates? No. Sure they're giving us 3 per character, but I do think it should be unlimited - why wouldn't you want people to be playing a diverse set of builds? But maybe you should be complaining about that instead of crying about ArcDPS. For mesmer raid builds only: Mirage - Axe Shatter Mirage - Sceptre Shatter cChrono - DPS pChrono - GS pChrono - Focus bChrono - power no tough 40% bChrono - power no tough 55% bChrono - power no tough 80% bChrono - power no tough 40% - cc bChrono - power no tough 55% - cc bChrono - power no tough 80% - cc bChrono - power 1251 tough 40% bChrono - power 1251 tough 55% bChrono - power 1251 tough 80% bChrono - power 1251 tough 40% - cc bChrono - power 1251 tough 55% - cc bChrono - power 1251 tough 80% - cc bChrono - condi viper bChrono - condi trailblazer Escort - Solo Towers Ranger builds: cSlb - Normal cSlb - Iboga pSlb - Da/GS pSlb - Sw/A/War pSlb - Sw/GS pSlb - Spotter spirit bitch Druid - pug Druid - Static Druid - Condi Druid - Power hSlb - hKiter Druid - gKiter So yes, ppl need more. Now add open world and wvw builds to that list aswell^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash.2386 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 +1 I also would like to keep using Arc templates. It has worked very well for me over the last couple years and I have never lost a piece of gear because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald.9078 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It's not like people aren't going to purchase native, in-game build-template support, specially the kind that's saved to your account. People already purchase crafting disciplines and those are useless. I purchased them knowing they are useless and without having used any more than two crafting disciplines per character just to support you guys. Though the Gem store should really only charge for equipment templates, because they are the ones providing any inventory space. Charging for the rest of the template features is a bit too heavy on the monetization side of things, specially when it's so easily overcome through chat links, as the last stream showed and opened with. The biggest risk of heavy monetization is that it also puts a barrier on providing future features that we might not have thought of yet because you don't want to ease up the cost of convenience features like this, and that's going to affect future development as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Your proposal does not make any business sense for Anet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flog.3485 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > @"flog.3485" said: > > > @"Konrad Curze.5130" said: > > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > > Why won't arc build work anymore? > > > > > > Because ANet has gone from improving their game to shamelessly stealing from community efforts the laziest possible way to make a penny > > > > Right because a free update that has been in development for 2+ years doesn’t need any return on investment ? /s > The update wasn't being developed in the void. It's part of a whole game, which _does_ already give a return on investment. > Where do you think the money from overpriced mount skins go to? Because i thought they were meant to be used to fund exactly this kind of features. > And somehow you don’t think that the introduction of a new free big update doesn’t need a new kind of revenue stream? I tell you where the revenue of “overpriced mount skins” goes to: the living story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindcircus.1506 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I'm sure Delta will continue to provide support for his Build templates and distribute to his inner circle of special friends just like his gear checker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"flog.3485" said: > And somehow you don’t think that the introduction of a new free big update doesn’t need a new kind of revenue stream? Why would it need a _new_ revenue stream, if all previous LS seasons didn't need it? Are you suggesting they are so poor they need to heavily monetize stuff like the templates now just to keep afloat? If so, that doesn't bode well for th future, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"mindcircus.1506" said: > I'm sure Delta will continue to provide support for his Build templates and distribute to his inner circle of special friends just like his gear checker. I'm sure that Anet would consider the add-on void upon release of their own template system which would then make using it a bannable offense, just like any other unauthorized add-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindcircus.1506 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > @"mindcircus.1506" said: > > I'm sure Delta will continue to provide support for his Build templates and distribute to his inner circle of special friends just like his gear checker. > I'm sure that Anet would consider the add-on void upon release of their own template system which would then make using it a bannable offense, just like any other unauthorized add-on. > And yet using the Gear Check version of Arc that Delta passes out to his pals has gotten zero people banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"mindcircus.1506" said: > > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > @"mindcircus.1506" said: > > > I'm sure Delta will continue to provide support for his Build templates and distribute to his inner circle of special friends just like his gear checker. > > I'm sure that Anet would consider the add-on void upon release of their own template system which would then make using it a bannable offense, just like any other unauthorized add-on. > > > > And yet using the Gear Check version of Arc that Delta passes out to his pals has gotten zero people banned. {shrug} Players may choose to continue to use add-ons at their own risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald.9078 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It's a shitty business > @"kharmin.7683" said: > Your proposal does not make any business sense for Anet. It does, but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Schwarzwald.9078" said: > It's a kitten business > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > Your proposal does not make any business sense for Anet. > > It does, but ok. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald.9078 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > @"Schwarzwald.9078" said: > > It's a kitten business > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > > Your proposal does not make any business sense for Anet. > > > > It does, but ok. > > How? Why should I repeat my post when it is you who hasn't replied to it explaining why you don't believe that's the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Unless I am misreading, you are advocating that some of the templates should not be monetized (free). That's where I find fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnDeadFun.5824 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Unfortunately, deltaconnected - "This. One of the conditions to ANet allowing my templates extension was that I let it die when an official solution comes around, and that condition hasn't changed" Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzwald.9078 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"UnDeadFun.5824" said: > Unfortunately, deltaconnected - "This. One of the conditions to ANet allowing my templates extension was that I let it die when an official solution comes around, and that condition hasn't changed" > > Card > That's why the solution is a simple clarification from ArenaNet allowing people to continue to keep using ArcDPS build templates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourpoundburrito.1698 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I agree with OP, the arc build templates should be allowed to live on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonT.6845 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Lottie.5370" said: > Who needs more than 6 gear templates for one character?? Pretty much everybody that plays WvW I run 14 different builds on roaming ranger alone, each with different gear configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perilisk.1874 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"flog.3485" said: > > @"Astralporing.1957" said: > > > @"flog.3485" said: > > > > @"Konrad Curze.5130" said: > > > > > @"Eddbopkins.2630" said: > > > > > Why won't arc build work anymore? > > > > > > > > Because ANet has gone from improving their game to shamelessly stealing from community efforts the laziest possible way to make a penny > > > > > > Right because a free update that has been in development for 2+ years doesn’t need any return on investment ? /s > > The update wasn't being developed in the void. It's part of a whole game, which _does_ already give a return on investment. > > Where do you think the money from overpriced mount skins go to? Because i thought they were meant to be used to fund exactly this kind of features. > > > > And somehow you don’t think that the introduction of a new free big update doesn’t need a new kind of revenue stream? I tell you where the revenue of “overpriced mount skins” goes to: the living story. If only there was some generally accepted way of monetizing both content and new features at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 > @"Schwarzwald.9078" said: > That's why the solution is a simple clarification from ArenaNet allowing people to continue to keep using ArcDPS build templates. Which makes absolutely no business sense. "Here's something you'll likely want and it's going to cost you but hey, it's ok to keep using the free thingy and not pay us so that we've wasted all of our resources in making this thing with no profit to show for it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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