Koen.1327 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"otto.5684" said: > > @"Happy Yes.1453" said: > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > @"Lighter.5631" said: > > > > > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > > > > > For the record this is not called symbol firebrand > > > > > Its sage mantra firebrand > > > > > The symbols are not the biggest danger its the fact that it has > > > > > - tons of boon splatter application > > > > > - sustain via boons/blocks/etc and healing > > > > > - great cc > > > > > - good power damage and condi damage > > > > > - and decent lockdown via immobilize and blinds > > > > > > > > > > Its just really really really good overall. Its one of the strongest builds around right now I would say. > > > > > > > > no matter the name, mender is symbal, sage is mantra, but they play almost the same. > > > > > > They are not remotely close. Sage FB is a condi build. This is a support build. > > > > > > I wont say this build is bad, but it does not deal enough damage to be a bruiser build or enough sustain to be a support build. Why play this at all? It is a complete downgrade from support build. > > > > > > And generally, any symbol build that does not have radiance, does.. close to no power damage. I do not care what line combo you use. > > > > > > > > > > The highest rated guardian on EU for the last 2 years has been playing the menders amulet version. He ran zeal before the buffs even. Nr 1 on NA also plays it occassionally. You have no clue about any of this tbh. > > Well, there is much here that is no correct. > > First, which should be obvious, even if one player can take a build to high rank, unless you can indicate a large number of players that can do that, it is a statistical anomaly. It cannot be used as basis for anything. Example of something that is not, is warrior SB. It is well presented at all levels. Large enough population to draw conclusions on the build performance. > > Second, the build that you are talking about.. is not this build, and key word "2 years." The build used radiance/honor/FB. It used GS/sword. Sounds familiar? It is a variant of core build. It also mainly used harrier not menders. The idea is it combined some of the power from core with support from FB. That build died with radiance nerf earlier this year. And using axe anyway is a new thing, that just came around with the buffs to it, earlier this year. But it is not that viable for power build. > > What this build is is trying to take pieces of Sage FB, support FB and old symbol and smash them together. But the result is.. less than the sum of the parts. It is a "c" rated build. > > If you want to play a competitive guardian dps build just stick to Sage FB. It has some major weakness, but it is the only viable guardian dps build. Pretty sure he means grochaton legendary player who has been using menders since forever and never touched gs afaik. Its nothing like core guard and is not support. You can check his stream has many nice stuff Its more similar to sage build which has been popularized by ragnar another leg player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falan.1839 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Ragnar.4257" said: > > @"Falan.1839" said: > > I don't think that build is op, it's an okay sidenoder but not really meta. > > You're missing the point; this is the weekly "divert attention to anything other than holo" thread. Stick to the party line! > > We saw the exact same last year from mirage mains. The multiple whine-threads about holo say otherwise. I'd say it's pretty clear holo needs some tunedowns, even though most suggestions are wildly over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Yes.1453 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Koen.1327" said: > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > @"Happy Yes.1453" said: > > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > > @"Lighter.5631" said: > > > > > > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > > > > > > For the record this is not called symbol firebrand > > > > > > Its sage mantra firebrand > > > > > > The symbols are not the biggest danger its the fact that it has > > > > > > - tons of boon splatter application > > > > > > - sustain via boons/blocks/etc and healing > > > > > > - great cc > > > > > > - good power damage and condi damage > > > > > > - and decent lockdown via immobilize and blinds > > > > > > > > > > > > Its just really really really good overall. Its one of the strongest builds around right now I would say. > > > > > > > > > > no matter the name, mender is symbal, sage is mantra, but they play almost the same. > > > > > > > > They are not remotely close. Sage FB is a condi build. This is a support build. > > > > > > > > I wont say this build is bad, but it does not deal enough damage to be a bruiser build or enough sustain to be a support build. Why play this at all? It is a complete downgrade from support build. > > > > > > > > And generally, any symbol build that does not have radiance, does.. close to no power damage. I do not care what line combo you use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The highest rated guardian on EU for the last 2 years has been playing the menders amulet version. He ran zeal before the buffs even. Nr 1 on NA also plays it occassionally. You have no clue about any of this tbh. > > > > Well, there is much here that is no correct. > > > > First, which should be obvious, even if one player can take a build to high rank, unless you can indicate a large number of players that can do that, it is a statistical anomaly. It cannot be used as basis for anything. Example of something that is not, is warrior SB. It is well presented at all levels. Large enough population to draw conclusions on the build performance. > > > > Second, the build that you are talking about.. is not this build, and key word "2 years." The build used radiance/honor/FB. It used GS/sword. Sounds familiar? It is a variant of core build. It also mainly used harrier not menders. The idea is it combined some of the power from core with support from FB. That build died with radiance nerf earlier this year. And using axe anyway is a new thing, that just came around with the buffs to it, earlier this year. But it is not that viable for power build. > > > > What this build is is trying to take pieces of Sage FB, support FB and old symbol and smash them together. But the result is.. less than the sum of the parts. It is a "c" rated build. > > > > If you want to play a competitive guardian dps build just stick to Sage FB. It has some major weakness, but it is the only viable guardian dps build. > > Pretty sure he means grochaton legendary player who has been using menders since forever and never touched gs afaik. Its nothing like core guard and is not support. You can check his stream has many nice stuff > Its more similar to sage build which has been popularized by ragnar another leg player. Exactly. Grochaton switched from radiance to zeal after the nerf, but the concept has always been the same. It has nothing to do with core guard which is a rotational dps. He mainly plays this as a side node duelist and so do I. Ive been playing it in 1600-1800 rating for a year on EU and NA and there are quite a few others. Yes, there are variants, I don't dispute that, but if you tell me that this build cant kill then I wonder how I got to 1800 while winning duels on a side node with it? At the same time ppl are asking for a nerf here, so this makes no sense to me. edit: All I did in my previous post was state that Grochaton always and Naru ocassionally play menders version in legendary and you reply with "so much wrong here". You can litterally just see them both on Twitch playing it. You can even find a video with Boyce 1v1ing me and saying "wow actually does quite a lot of damage too". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Happy Yes.1453" said: > > @"Koen.1327" said: > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > @"Happy Yes.1453" said: > > > > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > > > > @"Lighter.5631" said: > > > > > > > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > > > > > > > For the record this is not called symbol firebrand > > > > > > > Its sage mantra firebrand > > > > > > > The symbols are not the biggest danger its the fact that it has > > > > > > > - tons of boon splatter application > > > > > > > - sustain via boons/blocks/etc and healing > > > > > > > - great cc > > > > > > > - good power damage and condi damage > > > > > > > - and decent lockdown via immobilize and blinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its just really really really good overall. Its one of the strongest builds around right now I would say. > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter the name, mender is symbal, sage is mantra, but they play almost the same. > > > > > > > > > > They are not remotely close. Sage FB is a condi build. This is a support build. > > > > > > > > > > I wont say this build is bad, but it does not deal enough damage to be a bruiser build or enough sustain to be a support build. Why play this at all? It is a complete downgrade from support build. > > > > > > > > > > And generally, any symbol build that does not have radiance, does.. close to no power damage. I do not care what line combo you use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The highest rated guardian on EU for the last 2 years has been playing the menders amulet version. He ran zeal before the buffs even. Nr 1 on NA also plays it occassionally. You have no clue about any of this tbh. > > > > > > Well, there is much here that is no correct. > > > > > > First, which should be obvious, even if one player can take a build to high rank, unless you can indicate a large number of players that can do that, it is a statistical anomaly. It cannot be used as basis for anything. Example of something that is not, is warrior SB. It is well presented at all levels. Large enough population to draw conclusions on the build performance. > > > > > > Second, the build that you are talking about.. is not this build, and key word "2 years." The build used radiance/honor/FB. It used GS/sword. Sounds familiar? It is a variant of core build. It also mainly used harrier not menders. The idea is it combined some of the power from core with support from FB. That build died with radiance nerf earlier this year. And using axe anyway is a new thing, that just came around with the buffs to it, earlier this year. But it is not that viable for power build. > > > > > > What this build is is trying to take pieces of Sage FB, support FB and old symbol and smash them together. But the result is.. less than the sum of the parts. It is a "c" rated build. > > > > > > If you want to play a competitive guardian dps build just stick to Sage FB. It has some major weakness, but it is the only viable guardian dps build. > > > > Pretty sure he means grochaton legendary player who has been using menders since forever and never touched gs afaik. Its nothing like core guard and is not support. You can check his stream has many nice stuff > > Its more similar to sage build which has been popularized by ragnar another leg player. > > Exactly. Grochaton switched from radiance to zeal after the nerf, but the concept has always been the same. It has nothing to do with core guard which is a rotational dps. He mainly plays this as a side node duelist and so do I. Ive been playing it in 1600-1800 rating for a year on EU and NA and there are quite a few others. Yes, there are variants, I don't dispute that, but if you tell me that this build cant kill then I wonder how I got to 1800 while winning duels on a side node with it? > At the same time ppl are asking for a nerf here, so this makes no sense to me. > > edit: All I did in my previous post was state that Grochaton always and Naru ocassionally play menders version in legendary and you reply with "so much wrong here". You can litterally just see them both on Twitch playing it. You can even find a video with Boyce 1v1ing me and saying "wow actually does quite a lot of damage too". Again, it standard distribution issue. Couple of seasons back someone posted in the Mesmer forums (with proof) that the took core Mesmer to legendary. Does that mean core Mesmer is a viable build? No. Same goes for this build. 1-2 players doing very well or very poorly is an outlier. You need consistent high performance from a large enough sample. This is not it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan.9387 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 > @"Happy Yes.1453" said: > > @"otto.5684" said: > > > @"Lighter.5631" said: > > > > @"ZDragon.3046" said: > > > > For the record this is not called symbol firebrand > > > > Its sage mantra firebrand > > > > The symbols are not the biggest danger its the fact that it has > > > > - tons of boon splatter application > > > > - sustain via boons/blocks/etc and healing > > > > - great cc > > > > - good power damage and condi damage > > > > - and decent lockdown via immobilize and blinds > > > > > > > > Its just really really really good overall. Its one of the strongest builds around right now I would say. > > > > > > no matter the name, mender is symbal, sage is mantra, but they play almost the same. > > > > They are not remotely close. Sage FB is a condi build. This is a support build. > > > > I wont say this build is bad, but it does not deal enough damage to be a bruiser build or enough sustain to be a support build. Why play this at all? It is a complete downgrade from support build. > > > > And generally, any symbol build that does not have radiance, does.. close to no power damage. I do not care what line combo you use. > > > > > > The highest rated guardian on EU for the last 2 years has been playing the menders amulet version. He ran zeal before the buffs even. Nr 1 on NA also plays it occassionally. You have no clue about any of this tbh. For what its worth, I think I can provide some clarification here. General radiance menders and harrier builds are okay, but worse than condi atm. Damage was nerfed pretty significantly unless you are willing to throw away and thought of support. (Aka dropping honor or fb) Condi builds are stronger because their aoe damage is high and its effectiveness improves the more enemies around. Sage fb with honor and virtues is best. Zeal and the sword of justice only works on bad players. Someone also mentioned axe as recently becoming viable. Thats not very accurate considering radiance fbs have been using it to great effect in NA since arken started playing the build, even if the sample size was small (arken/levi/myself). Honestly from my time in EU over the last few years, I've found no skilled hybrid fbs. Pre buff zeal was absolutely inferior to radiance before radiance got nerfed. This EU zeal guard is probably just indicating a lack of fb talent in EU. So tldr: Sage = newly viable, stronger in teamfights. Menders/harrier = historical, nerfed many times and kind of mediocre now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 pretty soon ppl gonna complain about fb marauder spirit weapons, mark my words. 2 stronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannir.4132 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 > @"Ryan.9387" said: > Honestly from my time in EU over the last few years, I've found no skilled hybrid fbs. Pre buff zeal was absolutely inferior to radiance before radiance got nerfed. This EU zeal guard is probably just indicating a lack of fb talent in EU. I don't think it's lack of talent exactly, rather lack of creativity. Arken's an excellent player and Firebrand but he refuses to play meta builds even when he probably should. Naru plays in the undisputedly best team in GW2 but he's not the best Firebrand. Point is that while EU has great Firebrand players(Cookie, Aeon, Blackjack), none of them stream regularly or try to actively innovate new builds. I guess Europe is instinctively more respectful of traditions.. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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