TYVM for the option to trade map currencies in Bjora Marches!

[Kaltyn of Torbins Deep.294]

Portable mystic forge conduit + karma = linen scraps. Easy gold, though I don't sell my linen as I need it for damask.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

> @"AgentMoore.9453" said:

> > @"kratan.4619" said:

> > I'm casual and sit on 7 million karma, what are you spending it on?

>

> Feeding the [Karmic Converter](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Karmic_Converter "Karmic Converter") or working on getting the 9,576,000 karma required to get all of the tier 3 [cultural weapons](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cultural_weapon "cultural weapons") (19 weps, 63k each, 8 vendors) or purchasing tonics and other novelties from renown vendors both on core and expansion maps or tracking down and buying recipes from [Pact Supply Network Agents](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pact_Supply_Network_Agent "Pact Supply Network Agents").

>

> There's a lot to do with karma in this game, and they keep adding even more to do with it, so I was happy to see this new map give you such easy access. I don't know if it's better than farming Inquest with a max [Karmic Retribution](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Karmic_Retribution_(Sandswept_Isles) "Karmic Retribution") in Sandswept Isles, but it doesn't hurt.

>

 

There's only 5 sets of Karma 'cultural weapons' that cost 63,000 each. The others are at 35,000 (4 sets) and 9,800 (all the rest). Plus, many of the skins will unlock by purchasing the lowest available tier for 9,800 rather than the highest tier for 63,000.

 

Thus, never fear! You won't need to save up 9.5 million Karma for those weapon skins. :)

[AgentMoore.9453]

> @"Inculpatus cedo.9234" said:

> Plus, many of the skins will unlock by purchasing the lowest available tier for 9,800 rather than the highest tier for 63,000.

 

Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but how does purchasing a tier 1 Sylvari weapon (Glyphic) for 9.8k unlock the skin of a tier 3 weapon (Warden)? I'm talking specifically about the tier 3 culturals, which are mostly obtained through karma vendors and are therefore a valid thing to save and spend karma on.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

You seem to be including the 3 Karma Weapon vendors that are not the 5 main Cultural Weapon vendors, such as Ebon Vanguard (Cultural) weapons, or Lionguard (Cultural) weapons. Those sets share skins no matter the tier; thus you can unlock the skin by purchasing the lowest tier of said weapon for 9,800 Karma.

 

The cost of Cultural Weapons from the main Cultural Weapon vendors (those that count toward the achievements) is 5,989,000 Karma.

[Antycypator.9874]

> @"Dante.1508" said:

> Its nice but its a bit expensive imo.

 

What? 25 -> 10.

How much e.g. Difluorite Crystals can you get from gathering and events at one character? 60? 70?

For Eternal Ice it's probably around 150-200, which makes 60-80 LS4 currency.

 

So I think it's very fair trade + there is no other use for Eternal Ice outside recipes and skins.

[Ayrilana.1396]

In regards to the availability of karma, it used to be easy to effortless acquire like 20K with only ten minutes of work if that. This was until Anet nerfed LS3/4 dailies.

[Dante.1508]

> @"Antycypator.9874" said:

> > @"Dante.1508" said:

> > Its nice but its a bit expensive imo.

>

> What? 25 -> 10.

> How much e.g. Difluorite Crystals can you get from gathering and events at one character? 60? 70?

> For Eternal Ice it's probably around 150-200, which makes 60-80 LS4 currency.

>

> So I think it's very fair trade + there is no other use for Eternal Ice outside recipes and skins.

 

Why does everything have to be a grindy trickle feed and tedious to be considered acceptable mmo fair.. Isn't about time we moved away from WoW mmo tropes.. Honestly does it bug you that much that some randoms get their skyscale a few days earlier..

 

Honestly these generation of games have lost the plot.. Gaming is about fun not slave labor.

[Dante.1508]

> @"kratan.4619" said:

> > @"Dante.1508" said:

> > > @"Vinceman.4572" said:

> > > > @"Eloc Freidon.5692" said:

> > > > > @"Vinceman.4572" said:

> > > > > > @"Eloc Freidon.5692" said:

> > > > > > That karma cost on top of actual resource loss is what detracts people from using it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Seriously, I mean really? This is why we can't have nice things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acquiring one stack of map currency is freaking easy. Buy a gathering tool for some silver and go on a journey at the specific map. Do some hearts as well and if there's a meta it'll occurr for sure during your visit gathering. Join it and afterwards continue to gather. This will yield in at least 50 pieces of currency. Whenever is time repeat it. That's not even hard grinding. Maybe a little bit tedious but nothing big. I'm also asking myself what the "casuals" are doing with their currencies. Even when you just play the story, the hearts one time (on maps with them) and accidentally be present in some events or even a meta you'll get a lot of them the first day of playing.

> > > > > In addition with all the introduced exchange possibilities we're having right now getting the currency for the Skyscale or Vision is a joke but people still complain. That goes beyond my mind.

> > > >

> > > > Which is precisely why the karma cost is ridiculous since there is already a loss for converting resources.

> > > >

> > > > We can't have nice things because we put up with this double dipping.

> > >

> > > Nah, the karma price should be even higher. People are drowning in karma. The least thing I would recommend is reducing karma prices in this game.

> >

> > I'm casual and i sit on about 100k karma, not sure how i'm drowning in karma.. its glacial on acquiring it.

>

> I'm casual and sit on 7 million karma, what are you spending it on? I get it from almost anything I do.

 

I buy the odd minipet or shrink potion, when i can afford it, mostly i can't afford anything karma wise.. like i said after about 3 years i have about 110k.. i think max i ever saw was 300k, but i don't do meta, fractals, raids, pvp or wvw at all..

[Antycypator.9874]

> @"Dante.1508" said:

> > @"Antycypator.9874" said:

> > > @"Dante.1508" said:

> > > Its nice but its a bit expensive imo.

> >

> > What? 25 -> 10.

> > How much e.g. Difluorite Crystals can you get from gathering and events at one character? 60? 70?

> > For Eternal Ice it's probably around 150-200, which makes 60-80 LS4 currency.

> >

> > So I think it's very fair trade + there is no other use for Eternal Ice outside recipes and skins.

>

> Why does everything have to be a grindy trickle feed and tedious to be considered acceptable mmo fair.. Isn't about time we moved away from WoW mmo tropes.. Honestly does it bug you that much that some randoms get their skyscale a few days earlier..

>

> Honestly these generation of games have lost the plot.. Gaming is about fun not slave labor.

 

Games are not that grindy anymore like they were few years ago. At least most of them, I think. Do you have to spend 100s of hours to reach level cap? Or to get good equipment? Or spend 3 months gathering materials for a weapon?

No. Legendary weapons are optional, they're not stronger than ascended.

What do you think is grindy here? The skyscale collection? It could burn you out after spending some hours repeating events and gathering on all LS4 maps, but if you look at older games, you should realize that GW2 is not grindy.

But for some people everything that takes more than 1 day to get is grindy.