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Well said. I'd also remark the fact that Skyscale gliding is objectively worse compared to mount-less gliding (maybe with the exception of the dash, but you really want to seve your stamina for wall jump).
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> @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> Sounds like people here is trying to make the skyscale a replacement for the griffon, which its not. Its just a situational mount. From my experiences and what I understand of the mechanics, it will mainly be useful for ascending flat horizontal surfaces that is far too high for the springer to jump.
It doesn't have to replace the Griffon lol. It just doesn't have to suck.
I'd be fine with it replacing at least the Springer however, so that the rabbit can be the fast clinb, but the dragon can be at least on par (if not superior) in climbing potential.
And it should be at least a replacement for gliding. I think we can all agree on that. At the moment it's inferior to both gliding and the Springer, especially including all the masteries (such as stealth and updraft).
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> @"Judah Rahab.5716" said:
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Don't make only 1 voice out of this thread. I personally don't "hate" the collection. I think they could have handled some parts in a different way (like achievement 1 and 3), but I don't really care about the timegating itself.
My main concern is that the collection is not proportionate to the mount. When I saw Guild Chat I thought "well, nice, probably it's going to be used during the story so we are getting it as part of that".
Given this huge collection, I think the mount is not well tuned for the rarity/prestige it's going to have.
To clarify: I'm not asking to remove timegate or reduce the collection, just to **make the mount utility proportionate to the effort.**
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> @"Healix.5819" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > No, it actually depends on your flight meter. If you are at max altitude, with the meter at 0 and you try to go forward, even if you keep looking up, your altitude will decrease **a lot**. You can use dash, but once your stamina is at 0 you'll go down even more (red flight meter).
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> How much flight energy you're using is dependent on the angle you're flying at. Running out of energy will make it descend slightly faster (120/s) than if you were to fly at a slight downward angle that costs nothing (110/s).
I don't know where your measurements come from, but, as explained by the devs, the altitude and your horizontal movement at max altitude is controlled by a virtual "canopy" that is shown visually by the flight meter. You can either try to keep max altitude while going forward or move alongside the virtual canopy, you can't decrease your altitude slower than that.
~~So either you messed up your calculations (again, I have no Idea on how you took those), or a dev messed up the canopy system, that is intended to work as I just described. ~~
EDIT: I got the problem. **You're talking about speed, I'm talking about angle and reach.** I don't really care about the velocity of the descent, but the places you can reach from a certain altitude. The gliding distance of the Skyscale is terrible. **I don't really care if you go there by flapping at max eight or by free falling.**
>For comparison, gliding descends at 112/s and the gryphon descends at 172/s while gliding.
Again, not sure about your measurements, but the Griffon can flap its wings infinitely to gain altitude, and it can basically go in a straight line. I have multiple videos, but I'm sure it's not needed, right? We can all agree that Griffon > gliding by a lot. You can't rule out the wing flaps since it's the main use/purpose/mechanic of the Griffon.
EDIT: let me clarify. I understand now that you were talking about speed. I'm talking about reach.
And by your own measurements **you're basically confirming my point**, that Skyscale is either equal or worse than gliding in horizontal movement, and we already established that is **by design** equal or worse than Springer in vertical movement.
**This is simply unacceptable given the collection required and the rarity/prestige of the mount**.
The mount is already slow, there is no need to make it crappy.
> Also, if you have a problem with the grab, don't come at it head on - side strafe or backup into position.
I'm not even going to address this.
You're basically telling "get used to this". I'm not claiming I can't live with that, I'm claiming we should not live with that.
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> @"FrizzFreston.5290" said:
> What are the mount abilities this mount has?
Check the skyscale page on the wiki. I've added a movement/gameplay section including what you unlock with masteries.
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> @"LaFurion.3167" said:
> > @"Vavume.8065" said:
> > > @"LaFurion.3167" said:
> > > Hopefully they make it easier in the next month or so.
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> > That is very unlikely.
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> Why?? Did they specifically say they would not??
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> I feel so cheated having to do all of the lws4.... I hate story.... I prefer wvw or open world chilling you know? Most of my toons don't have any story completed except for required for Griffin and beetle... now I have to do all of las4 before I can even start on 2nd time gate??
It would be a bit unfair to us who did this part already. I would not mind, however, a reduction in waiting time for you and new players.
I also like that the mount is exclusive.
**I don't like that the mount sucks**, and can be objectively worse than gliding+Springer.
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I honestly wouldn't mind a 45-day timegated quest if the mount was as gamechanging as the RB and the Griffon. As of now the Skyscale is even worse than gliding+Springer, and this makes no sense.
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Agreed. Also a wise use of the HoT masteries to make them still relevant.
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Vlast for Skyscale
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> @"Solori.6025" said:
> ...So I've seen people with the skyscale dyed and apparently able to do spins in the air....Is this a bug or?
You can dye your rented mount and spins do not require a mastery.
The masteries are
1) mount while in midair/gliding
2) fix rifts and unlock flight paths
3) wall jump (converts 1 stamina bar to 66% flight meter)
You can dash by using V or by clicking on the stamina bar itself. I wish we had 3 dashes.
Even if Achievement 4 was unlocked today we'd still have Achievement 5 to do to unlock the skyscale (yep, at least 2 more days). So if there are no more timegates we can probably see a bunch of dragons in LA by the 21st.
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> @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > Another issue I have is that **the decrease in altitude if you try to move horizontally seems worse then gliding**.
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> It depends on your view angle! :) As I posted earlier, if you look up, you will ascend (as far as possible); if you look down, you will descent; and if you look straight ahead, your descent is significantly decreased.
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> The problem is that no one will constantly look up when they fly. ;) It's a bit of a weird mechanic, albeit interesting.
No, it actually depends on your flight meter. If you are at max altitude, with the meter at 0 and you try to go forward, even if you keep looking up, your altitude will decrease **a lot**. You can use dash, but once your stamina is at 0 you'll go down even more (red flight meter).
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As expected, feeding it for the 4th time doesn't actually unlock the next collection
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> @"AmadeoKristoff.5493" said:
> was that one "Acknowledgement" the only thing ANet did so far?
Apparently yes, if we also included the 2 hotfixes for shards and CoJ.
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I have a wiki account with a different name/email. How do you link the 2 accounts?
Edit: nvm, it's probably by creating a personal page.
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No worries :)
More images to showcase the issue: https://imgur.com/a/27bekmJ
As you can see it's impossible to go over that ledge with the Skyscale. Even if you release [W] it bounces off, and it's to far to land on it with [C].
Meanwhile the Springer can do it just fine.
Another issue I have is that **the decrease in altitude if you try to move horizontally seems worse then gliding**. This is not acceptable. Being able to fly almost in a straight line is not gamebreaking at all (I can even swap to Griffon in mid air, lol).
Masteries won't solve anything, this is NOT a legendary mount, it's inferior to Springer and Griffon.
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> @"hostileskeleton.7364" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"hostileskeleton.7364" said:
> > > With the money and time invested it definitely feels like it but I want this thing to absolutely knock my socks off when I max it out. Base skyscale does feel heavily nerfed but I'm hoping it gets better.
> > It does get better. The question is, will that be enough? To be honest I doubt it. The rifts are not common and the jump after the grab is situational and doesn't solve most of the issues that make it currently inferior to the Springer.
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> Do you already have the mount?
No, but it's pretty obvious from the stream. The grab-jump is limited, it will only delay the problems highlited here: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/923642#Comment_923642
As you can see it's impossible to go over that ledge with the Skyscale. Even if you release [W] it bounces off, and it's to far to land on it with [C].
Meanwhile the Springer can do it just fine.
Another issue I have is that **the decrease in altitude if you try to move horizontally seems worse then gliding.**
**This is not acceptable for a mount that requires such a long collection.**
I mean, even in the Guild Chat stream they clearly set this mount up to be competing with the Springer (and buffed the Springer to ensure it's ging to stay relevant).
How can this huge collection be used for a mount that competes with a free one that you gain by talking once to a NPC?
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> @"AgentMoore.9453" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
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> > Are you sure? I don't know if it's scripted to work only with Skyscale (I was on the borrowed one), but I'm confident I can touch it with a combination of Springer/Griffon (and with Skyscale you only needed to touch it for an instant).
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> Unfortunately, it is. I did some tree-wiggling with other mounts and was able to pass through the point multiple times without triggering it, but when you so much as look at it with a Skyscale, it activates.
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Anyways, it can be reached with other mount combinations, it's not a special ability of the Skyscale, just scripted like that.
And masteries are account bound, so you just need 1 character to get it.
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> @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > > > @"Kidel.2057" said:
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> > > > The fact that you're still going to use it if you're not in a hurry, or to show off, or for fun/variety, is not enough to justify the effort. That last part is, in case I need to specify, my personal opinion.
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> > > Well, it is still the only mount with which you can climb walls of _any_ height, heigher than a Springer can jump. And Kaineng City has very high buildings. ;) So do the Kurzick with their Cathedrals :p , although I am certain those can be climbed with a Springer due to their design structure.
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> > The Skyscale can't climb anything that a Springer can't.
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> Yes, it can with the 3rd Mastery! A Springer could never climb a skyscrapper, for instance (unless it is a modern design with platforms each couple of floors).
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You probably misanderstood that mechanig. It's not limitless, watch the stream again.
@"Ganathar.4956"
I've tested the [C] stuff, and it still doesn't help. As you can see here https://imgur.com/a/9TMt1xj the Skyscale bounces off after grappling even without pressing (just releasing [W] makes it bounce backwards for some reason). I found almost impossible to go down on small ledges or even diagonal cliff edges, like the one in the screenshots. On small ledges it's eve harder, because the bounce from the auto-grab is huge (more than the size of the Skyscale itself).
As you can see from the third screenshot, that terrain is perfectly usable to walk (took me A LOT to be able to walk on it from that altitude, since the dude kept grabbing on it, and bouncing off to far to use [C]).
Thanks again for the tip, but the mount still needs some serious rework on the auto-grab.
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> @"Linken.6345" said:
> > @"Sarpan.9074" said:
> > > @"Tazdingo.7213" said:
> > > > @"Linken.6345" said:
> > > > > @"Tazdingo.7213" said:
> > > > > I mean time-gate the mount is fine but I have to do the story for every single alt just to borrow skyscale???? Really??
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> > > > ofcourse the story award the temporary skyscale so how would all your alts be able to use it?
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> > > I thought it would have unlocked for all characters since I switch classes a lot just to keep myself entertained. **Especially since the new map seems to need the skyscale a lot**. Getting the griffon roost to work for all my alts was never an issue but I don't understand why it is now.
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> > > If you enjoy playing through the story 4 times then good for you but I certainly don't.
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> > I don't know about this. I haven't done anything in DF that I could not do with griffon and springer. Maybe the skyscale would make things a little easier, but I don't think it's necessary.
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> There is 1 mastery point you cant get without the skyscale hover ability.
Are you sure? I don't know if it's scripted to work only with Skyscale (I was on the borrowed one), but I'm confident I can touch it with a combination of Springer/Griffon (and with Skyscale you only needed to touch it for an instant).
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To be honest a big and fast improvement would be a decrease in the altitude loss when moving forward (pretty much similar to a triple dash)
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> @"Ashantara.8731" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
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> > The fact that you're still going to use it if you're not in a hurry, or to show off, or for fun/variety, is not enough to justify the effort. That last part is, in case I need to specify, my personal opinion.
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> Well, it is still the only mount with which you can climb walls of _any_ height, heigher than a Springer can jump. And Kaineng City has very high buildings. ;) So do the Kurzick with their Cathedrals :p , although I am certain those can be climbed with a Springer due to their design structure.
The Skyscale can't climb anything that a Springer can't. I'd even say it's less versatile, but I need to test the [C] thing once I get home, to see if I can avoid grab and land on small ledges without dismounting.
And you need small ledges to regain your "flight juice".
The dude can't even fly in a straight line. Unlike the Griffon you lose altitude fast as hell with a Skyscale.
The only advantage over Springer is that you can hover and you can start from a higher position if you are on another cliff. But the same thing can be accomplished using Griffon/gliding most of the time.
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> @"hostileskeleton.7364" said:
> With the money and time invested it definitely feels like it but I want this thing to absolutely knock my socks off when I max it out. Base skyscale does feel heavily nerfed but I'm hoping it gets better.
It does get better. The question is, will that be enough? To be honest I doubt it. The rifts are not common and the jump after the grab is situational and doesn't solve most of the issues that make it currently inferior to the Springer.
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Congrats and welcome. You still need to press W, so auto grab.
Regarding the Jackal/Raptor discussion, sure, the Raptor may be useful to jump across a rift designed for the Raptor. But I'm sure 90% of players (who can) would just use the Griffon.
As said before, try to race in Crystal Oasis against Raptors using a Jackal. That track is pretty close to real-game scenarios. If you play with Jackal, by the end you'll be first, with Raptors behind by a lot, maybe still close to the first half of the track.
It will open your eyes. And I say this as a guy with 2 Raptor skins (I like how it looks).
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Congrats qnd welcome. You still need to press W, so auto grab.
[merged] About the Skyscale Timegate...
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> @"Judah Rahab.5716" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"Judah Rahab.5716" said:
> > > [...]
> > Don't make only 1 voice out of this thread. I personally don't "hate" the collection. I think they could have handled some parts in a different way (like achievement 1 and 3), but I don't really care about the timegating itself.
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> > My main concern is that the collection is not proportionate to the mount. When I saw Guild Chat I thought "well, nice, probably it's going to be used during the story so we are getting it as part of that".
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> > Given this huge collection, I think the mount is not well tuned for the rarity/prestige it's going to have.
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> > To clarify: I'm not asking to remove timegate or reduce the collection, just to **make the mount utility proportionate to the effort.**
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> > @"CJtheBigBear.9610" said:
> > > @"Stephane Lo Presti.7258" said:
> > > Hi everyone,
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> > > **The message below is addressed at current and future participants to this discussion.**
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> > > The discussion remained mostly civil so far and I want to thank all of you who contributed respectfully. All of you are passionate about the game and we're reading your posts. There are however tensions in this thread and I want to remind everyone here, whether you agree with a point being raised or not, that we ask all forum contributors to be **respectful and constructive**. No ad-hominem arguments will be accepted and, if you see a post like this, simply report it, the moderation team will action them (in passing, this is a friendly reminder about [the rules that your can find here](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/342/forum-moderation-and-infraction-system#Item_0)). You can talk about various aspects of the game, how you feel about them, and generally share your feedback but the discussion here has to remain courteous.
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> > > Thanks a lot for your understanding!
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> > In light of some recent posts, I figure this needs repeating since it's been a couple days and hasn't been seen by everyone.
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> > Criticisms need to be civil on both sides. I don't care what your side of the argument is; no name-calling or fire-starting.
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> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"Judah Rahab.5716" said:
> > > [...]
> > Don't make only 1 voice out of this thread. I personally don't "hate" the collection. I think they could have handled some parts in a different way (like achievement 1 and 3), but I don't really care about the timegating itself.
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> > My main concern is that the collection is not proportionate to the mount. When I saw Guild Chat I thought "well, nice, probably it's going to be used during the story so we are getting it as part of that".
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> > Given this huge collection, I think the mount is not well tuned for the rarity/prestige it's going to have.
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> > To clarify: I'm not asking to remove timegate or reduce the collection, just to **make the mount utility proportionate to the effort.**
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> I haven't read all the posts for this thread true. But a lot of them I see are just destructive complaints; like a few of the posts above my first post. Which is the case in so many areas. Just cause something is timegated doesn't mean it's the lack of thought. I think this timegate is the opposite. To me this is very much like a tamagotchi. You get your pet you raise it and it takes some time but then you get to ride a dragon. A dragon with infinite hover so we can finally afk without dying XD. The story instance actually changes with the achievement too. It's not a stagnate collection at all. You even interact with the baby Skyscale and there is voice dialogue giving it depth.
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> My post doesn't make only 1 voice Kidel nor does it try to be disrespectful or destructive CJtheBigBear. I don't claim everything here is complaining nor do I do any name calling. I understand how reading something like what I wrote can be interpreted as hostile but pease try to read it in a non-hostile tone. But rather of someone talking in a calm manner about an issue of constantly seeing destructive complaining. Being firm in my post doesn't account for disrespect. I can see how you would consider it borderline because someone might try to take firm to the next level.
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> Addressing egos without calling out those particular players and addressing a very real issue of destructive complaining is not disrespectful. It is calling to attention a very real issue in our community. I'm sure I can be wrong and I'm willing to hear counter arguments but how will I ever know I'm wrong without dialogue? Trying to report my opinion while leaving others' opinions, with very similar tones I might ad, is poor censorship. This doesn't allow for the growth of conversation or further explanation of views. Which is in my opinion very far from constructive conversation that isn't stagnate.
I never said you were disrespectful, nor I intended to say that. I apologize if that's what transpired from my post.
My intention was just to clarify my position (that, according to the other thread about skyscale improvements, seems to be decently shared among players).
I never thought that your post was out of place, I just wanted to clarify and maybe inform you (also sparing you from the trouble of reading 28 pages).
Peace :)
Staying on topic, before saying that people are just ungrateful and want an easy mount, think about the replies you got so far. A good chunk of them are repeating that the issue is not the difficulty, but some poor design choices and the general uselessness of the mount.
I'd also like to hear what you think about it.