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The Skyscale has nothing taken from the Griffon. Model, skeleton and animations are unique. Teen Aurene has some recycled Griffon assets
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> @"FuguZombie.2938" said:
> What's so sad about this situation is that the skyscale looks like a genuinely fun mount, but because of this whole situation people are looking at it saying 'is it really worth all this?' Now people are looking at it far more unfavorably because all the work it takes to get it would imply that it is worth far more than it actually is. The mount itself is actually pretty great, especially for those who don't have a gryphon, but this whole situation makes it look a lot worse.
I doubt that people that don't have a griffon will have this (and if they do they should really reconsider and also get the cheaper, faster and funnier mount).
And the mount is objectively worse then the springer. The auto grab makes it less viable to climb odd walls that the springer can overcome thanks to the ability to land on small ledges.
I think you got it backwards. If the mount was really as fun and as useful as the griffon, or even more, there would have been far less complains (I wouldn't be here)
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I see nothing beautiful about that. The purpose is climbing, going on a cliff or over the edge. If you can't hop on a ledge ( moves you backwards and not down, and [1] dismounts you, unable to mount back because there is no space) it's straight inferior to the Springer in terms of vertical movement.
Sometimes it doesn't even land on a diagonal plain or tree branch and just climbs vertically like an idiot.
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It won't fo higher than a Springer and won't go far compared to a Griffon. Sure, can be useful, but not optimal and not fun.
Has a collection similar to a legendary trinket but feels like an animated throne toy
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> @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > @"Daniel Handler.4816" said:
> > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > @"Rukario.1695" said:
> > > > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) A mount being a mount does not mean it can't have prestige "requirements". Because it hasn't been done before doesn't automatically mean it won't. As I said, I do agree the marketing didn't properly prepare to it, but I also -know- that with this community it would have changed nothing. People wanting a mount cause it's cool would have had the same complains, minus this one. Look at the gryphon gold sink in old threads.
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> > > > > 2) We played 6 years of a game without it, and we were happy. The prospect of working towards improving the experience and "convenience" is a normal design in MMOs. You "work" hard for little added convenience. If you don't want that convenience, or if it's not worth it, you have the option not to do it at all. It's not a job.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) If you wanna go that way... I work often way more than 40 hours a week. Normal weekdays, and I love raids. Raids reset at 1 am or 2 am, where it's the most fun to raid. Highly annoying for me, but that doesn't mean it should be changed to match my expectation, because then someone else wouldn't be unable to do reset. They cannot make everyone happy.
> > > > > But anyway, this argument changes nothing when it comes to timegates
> > > > > Let's assume no timegate: It takes you 15 days to do it at your own pace. It will take a "no life" an entire day and they'll have it 15 days before you.
> > > > > Let's assume timegate: Let's say it takes you 3 days for each collection. 15 days + 8 days of timegate = 23 days. For a "no life", they'll get it in 8 days. Still 15 days before you.
> > > > > Working or not working affects everyone the same way. Actually, it is better for people who don't have a whole day, as it can get a little easier to catch up on the no life people.
> > > > > So really, I know this argument is being thrown around here, but it just doesn't work. If you work and have a busy life, you will always be behind. There is nothing you can do and it's not the MMOs fault.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Not everything in a MMO is meant for everyone. It just isn't. Seasonal events are temporary. "timegated", and there's a pretty good reason for that. So if they wanted to but couldn't? Well again, too bad. But they can also realize it doesn't matter, that they'll be able to get it in just a little bit longer, just like the mount here.
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> > > > 1) Artificially blocking people on purpose from participating in content they wish to engage in is not what I would call _Prestige Requirements_ -- If that's the case, make the collection LONGER or HARDER. I will do it, I do not care.
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> > > > 2) Playing the game without mounts for 6 years? I don't know if it the time gap between Core and PoF was 6 years, however I already am well aware of the pain of running everywhere on foot. I finished Map Completion 4 weeks after Core released, it took 250 hours. You do not see me upset that mounts were added just because I dedicated 250 hours to traversing difficult slopes and odd geometry within various maps.
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> > > > 3) I'm glad you have a compatible schedule that lets you play the game the way you are comfortable playing. I, however, do not. No one's personal experience is the same as another and that was my point. None of us give a kitten about who gets the mount first. Why are you insinuating that? Where have I even said that?
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> > > > 4) You're now comparing apples and oranges. I'm finished discussing this.
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> > > 1) It's not. It's hollow. But instead of blaming Anet, blame the "NERF EVERYTHING" crowd that doesn't understand that oh no builds are there to be experimented with and you're supposed to actually get good in a video game to get prestige rewards. Maybe -then- we could get more meaningful content.
> > > So instead two solutions always: gold sink (= time sink or credit card sink) or timegate + collectaton. Pick your poison.
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> > > 2) My point is that it's all entirely optional. Useless mount or not, It doesn't matter. You want it, here are the requirement, you don't want it? There's better anyway. The "optional" nature of the mount makes it comparable to Aurora to me.
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> > > 3) I just said I wasn't comfortable with how reset was handled for raids. However, I do understand that it is literally impossible to please everyone own schedule and life balance, so I will never blame Anet for that. I always have the option to not do it.
> > > In this case though, the requirements are not out of reach even for someone who works a lot. There are people who work full time and still are getting all their raids done every week, people who get all their WvW chests done or PVP done every week. The mount is not going anywhere, it's gonna be there in one month or two, it's 100% compatible with a busy life.
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> > > 4) Timegates are timegates, and the one I was discussing before about SAB is a seasonal timegate event that does bring a lot of "stress" and "rush" for people who absolutely want it now immediately otherwise everything is lost forever. Same situation here.
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> > It should not be comparable to Aurora. No mount is a legendary.
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> I fixed that cause I was expecting this answer and didn't want to start that discussion again but:
> It has everything legendary but the name. Absolutely everything. It has the time associated to it, lots of collections, and potentially cost.
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> Literally the only issue was that it was badly marketed. But it was free content also, nobody "lost" money over this so it doesn't deserve all the outrage anyway.
> (yes yes yes you paid for PoF expecting a living season but nobody knew the living season would come with mounts, argument void)
You forgot the most important part, that coincidentally is what this mount lacks: **advantages**. And not only that.
1) A legendary weapon is the strongest you can get. This mount is not.
2) A legendary weapon has a unique skin that can't be topped by anything on the TP. This mount will have skins to buy.
3) A legendary weapon allows for stat change and upgrade swap, being equivalent to countless ascended ones. This mount is worse then a Springer, with **an annoying auto grab that makes climbing paradoxically harder (since you can't land on small overhangs to gain stamina).**
Keep in mind that a Springer is like a fine/blue weapon that you buy from an npc. And it's better than your "legendary" mount.
I don't think that an honest person could say that this mount is worth the effort. And don't give me the "so don't do it". I'm already past step 3 and I care enough about this game to give my criticism when it's needed.
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> @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> Youve never crafted a legendary if you think this collection comes close to the sheer expense of it.
I have 3 legendary weapons, a legendary backpiece and a full legendary armor from wvw. It took me 1 day to make my last weapon from scratch, using stuff I had in my bank.
Agreed, the expenses were higher, but you need to take this in proportion and also factor time.
The springer is better and only takes 2 minutes to unlock. An exotic weapon is not better than a legendary one.
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If you press S you don't go down, and worse you potentially go too far from the small landing spot.
Pressing 1 to go down is bad if you want to land in a small area and still be able to mount. You are probably used to climbing with a Springer, so you know what I'm talking about. You can't really climb as a Springer with a Skyscale because of the auto-grab.
And pressing 1 also doesn't solve the fact that the skyscale grabs on the edge of a cliff with half its body instead of going over it.
The auto-grab should be removed, period. Give us control.
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There are still items to craft according to the leaks
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Regardless of opinions they clearly said that unrestricted flight is bad, so it won't happen.
I think it would be legendary but I don't know if I'd like that direction. What's fun in that?
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I agree. In my opinion the skyscale is too weak in horizontal movement to be in any way better compared to a springer (or springer+griffon).
Also I find odd that it auto sticks to wall if you press forward (that is also the only button to go down if you're close to a step).
Also if you're very close to the top of a cliff, the skyscale just sticks to it instead of going above.
It should have 3 dashes and a different key to stick to walls.
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> @"Tails.9372" said:
> The removal of the flight meter system would pretty much fix everything, it would still be slow enough / not as maneuverable as some of the other mounts while still being able to deliver what people are looking for in an uncompromised way.
I think that would break everything, not only old maps. I don't think that the mount should be overpowered, but either unique or a jack of all trades (and master of none).
At the moment is the hardest mount to get, but also the most useless and tedious to use.
Too bad because the design is great.
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> @"Min Gorad.8109" said:
> Well after reading most of the comments you can see how childish this portion of community is... the time gating stuff sure is annoying and not the best but most tend to say that the mount is not even worth it... so don't do it... i don't find it appealing so I'm doing it just for completion sake. We didn't have that mount before and everyone could live with than, now everyone reacts like the game is unplayable without it and some are just uninstalling the game... because of a kitten mount that won't turn the gameplay upside down...
Where you see complains I see feedback.
Saying "so don't do it" doesn't help anyone. Not you, me, the playerbase or Anet.
Saying "i don't find it appealing so I'm doing it just for completion sake" further confirms that there is something wrong with the mount itself.
Make the collection long and hard, fine, but give us a mount that is worth it.
The last Guild Chat episode showcased this mount as a cool lesser Springer. I actually imagined that the Skyscale would have been free, gained from the story. Not because I wanted it to be, but because it's such a toy.
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At this point we are aware that this is almost a legendary mount, requiring all episodes, 250 collection steps, lots of gold and at least 8 days (excluding the last 2 steps that we still don't know about). Fine.
The problem is that the mount is mostly a vanity item for chilling afk in LA, not a real useful mount.
As you can see it's impossible to go over that ledge with the Skyscale. Even if you release [W] it bounces off, and it's to far to land on it with [C].
Meanwhile the Springer can do it just fine.
Another issue I have is that **the decrease in altitude if you try to move horizontally seems worse then gliding.**
**This is not acceptable for a mount that requires such a long collection.**
It's almost legendary the way you obtain it, but it's not legendary at all to use. It's not fun as the Griffon or the roller, and not as good as the springer. It has really no use outside of vanity.
In this thread I'd like to gather some useful suggestions on how to improve the mount in a realistic way, without making it gamebreaking or invalidating the griffon completely.
A nice Idea would be to increase the number of dashes to 3, so that is at least decently fast, and rework the wall sticking part so that it doesn't feel so painful.
Using the rental Skyscale, sometimes I can't even emulate the Springer, since the Skyscale doesn't "fall" on small steps on the walls, instead it sticks to it, unable to go higher. The mastery doesn't really solve that.
A solution could be to bind the wall sticking mechanism to an actual button press instead of "forward".
Any better idea?
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Again, fine with 8 days. Even 27 or 45. I have the wvw legendary armor, I don't care about spending months in this game. But it has to be worth it (and mostly enjoyable).
I mean, look at this:
Compare it with Skyscale. Come on.
I would be fine with swapping the 2 mounts and the relative collections lol.
8 days of farming, half of them by clicking once on a skill, for what? An afk hovermount?
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5 days? With the timegates it takes from 8 days to 26 days (depending on how much you want to spend or have stockpiled, and implying the last 2 steps only require 1 day each). No big deal if every day was about an interesting collection, but it's not. The first 3 collections of the first day are flawed and 4 days are spent just feeding the pet.
And I'd tolerate everything if the mount was at least useful or enjoyable, and not just cool to look at
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I find Aurora to be completely skippable, and Anet probably agrees with me, since it wasn't even advertised. The skyscale was (and maybe still is) the main reason why people wanted this update. For me at least.
I wanted a mount as fun as the beetle and the griffon, that have adventure tracks and races, reshaping the whole game, including the old maps.
And the storm is just at the beginning. Wait until the masses realize that they need every PoF episode for step 5.
And they'd be goddamn right to be pissed, since we know that only from leaks and the collections are hidden. Imagine going through the first 4 steps, spending 10 days, 150+g and countless hours, only to find out that you can't complete the collection because you lack 1 episode.
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> @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > Anyone defending this failed system atm is just trolling. Ignore them. Anet already acknowledge they have made a mistake and are working on a fix. If they want to stand for mistakes and bad systems that's on them.
> > > Oh hey twitter logic, long time no see.
> > > They have fixed the only real issue which is mastery xp.
> > >
> > > > @"ixora.3569" said:
> > > > Why not make it easier to obtain the skyscale? Wouldn't you want everyone to have a skyscale then sell a kitten ton of skins??? I dont understand why Anet doesn't want me to have a flying mount. I Have a fulltime job and family obligations. I guess ill be grounded with my roller beetle until the end of gw2.
> > > Because there are actually people who enjoy having to play the game and get content over time as that's what a video game is meant to be, rather than just insta buying everything for instant gratification.
> > > If anything, what you're saying shows that their intention was not only to make more money. They wanted to provide an experience, which - some people here might find odd - is actually a great experience for many players in game.
> > > All the comments about "being forced to" or having "work for" or not being "able to get it as quickly as" are simply forgetting that nobody is forcing them at all. It's all optional, just like any skin, legendary or whatnot in this game. If you miss a reset, you'll only get it one day later than everybody else. If you can only play a few days a week, you'll only get it a few weeks later. If you're that busy you would still have needed days to complete all collections, so people without a life would still have gotten it before you.
> > > It's a change from the classic "microtransaction / gold gets you everything instantly".
> >
> > People can take as much time they want, without any time gate at all, you know that right ? Anyway they can remove the time gate for the mount and put on something else like as well if you really need and like time gated content. Also if you bothered to actually read what they said you would see that they say it's a temporally fix.
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> The temporary fix is for CoJ, like a few people told you. I have no idea what you're talking about but you should consider your own advice.
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> People can take as much time they want with the timegate as well. It doesn't remove that ability. It only prevents you from rushing through it in one day. Timegates have been in this game since the very beginning. WvW has a weekly timegate that can be really stressful too. Raids as well. Players who have actually been playing the game consistently are used to it and know why it's in place.
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> The mount is LS4 end content, Aurora was LS3 end content. They have similar mechanics to obtain them. No, one being a legendary accessory or the other being a mount doesn't constitute an argument. That it appeals to the casual crowd more doesn't mean the casual crowd should suddenly change the rules just to get their sugar faster.
> You can absolutely not like the way it is if you want, but there is nothing to "fix" because it is not "broken".
I do not disagree with everything you said, but this mount is not good enough to justify this quest.
There is clearly something broken if you get a lesser Springer (a mount that requires talking to a npc) for 247 timegated achievement steps.
Also I can understand the timegate for the whole achievements, but timegating the feeding step of the third achievement with 4 real-life days makes no sense. Is this skyscale eating once a week? Come on. :)
It's not that broken, but it's broken indeed.
People also complained about the Griffon, while I defended it. I liked that quest and didn't find any disproportion with the overall utility and fun of the mount (that is the one I use the most if I'm not in a hurry or if I don't want to think about the best mount to use, or I need to gain altitude in irregular maps).
The Skyscale pales compared to Griffon and Springer, yet it required a quest that is up to 250 times longer, more expensive and timegated as hell with timegated steps requiring timegated items with timegated ingredients.
And again, no idea about achievement 4 and 5. The situation could get worse.
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> @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > The temporary fix is only about the ice tornados in CoJ event (that are going to be a pain in the kitten for people that are not working for that achievement, so the permanent fix will probably involve a change in the achievement itself step or a change in the tooltip for that particular step).
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> > "Better communication" is not a fix and hiding the mastery to allow spirit shards to be farmed is a permanent fix, not temporary.
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> I dont think you realize theres another and easier way for that one. Simply hug one of the abundant ice storm mobs in bitterfrost. Voila, icecubed and ticking for it.
I know. That's why I said multiple times that it's a useless fix and they should just change the tooltip (that is also fine, but people can't read).
I'm well aware and way past that step thanks to bitterfrost and the ability to read the first 3 words of the tooltip. It took me 10 seconds and I was shocked that people were screaming in pain during CoJ
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> @"GerahWar.5023" said:
> Raising a dragon, good idea. This time gate, very very bad idea.
> Is Anet gonna fix it or address this?? Hell no, considering they basically closed other forum posts to shut us in this one forum page that is gonna
> keep on stacking and choose too ignore it.
If they do like they've always done, I'm pretty sure they're reading almost every post. And I feel bad for them, considering the average level :)
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The temporary fix is only about the ice tornados in CoJ event (that are going to be a pain in the ass for people that are not working for that achievement, so the permanent fix will probably involve a change in the achievement itself step or a change in the tooltip for that particular step).
"Better communication" is not a fix and hiding the mastery to allow spirit shards to be farmed is a permanent fix, not temporary.
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> @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> > > > > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > > > > Anyone defending this failed system atm is just trolling. Ignore them. Anet already acknowledge they have made a mistake and are working on a fix. If they want to stand for mistakes and bad systems that's on them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And what mistakes are they fixing? where did you see it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bother to read the comments, you will see that Anet already said they would fix the mastery problem and that they are looking on how to fix the mess they made in a permanent manner. I will copy paste here so you there isn't any chance you will pretend to not have seen it if you reply:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to provide a brief update after talking to various developers. We’re aware of the concerns expressed in this thread. The team is currently regrouping and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic as soon as we possibly can.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, we're pushing a hotfix that will include hiding the skyscale Mastery line for players who have not acquired the skyscale so that they will continue to gain Mastery experience toward acquiring Spirit Shards.
> > > > >
> > > > > We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. These creatures can encase you in ice and progress the Skyscale of Ice achievement. This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your understanding and patience."
> > > > >
> > > > > So yes anyone arguing for something that Anet admits is a mistake and is trying to fix at this point is just a concern troll and should just be ignored.
> > > >
> > > > The post you quoted doesn't say anywhere that they're going to fix the timegate and mount movement issues. Maybe they will, but that post only talks about the Ice Egg (not really a problem since you don't need CoJ already), spirit shards and communication.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry dude, read more carefully.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you should read more carefully, they are talking about a more permanent fix, they don't say it's only about those mistakes.
> >
> > The part about the temporary fix refers to the CoJ achievement (again, not even an issue, just that people can't read the tooltip). You are reading too much into it my friend.
> >
> >
> > > We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. [...] This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
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> >
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> > I hope you are right in general, but this post doesn't say anything useful
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> They did not mention they are only going to fix these two mistakes in a more permanent manner, they said they are looking for a more permanent way to fix period. These two are temporary yeah, so it's it's not a logical jump to conclude thata more permanent fix means changing more of what they have made. If they were smart they would start by giving the mount to people that finished the first step , cleaning up this step so we don't have to come back 2 or 3 times to the same spot, and make the rest of the collection about a skin , title or even ascended gear and lore.
What are you even talking about?
The only fix they mentioned is the CoJ one, there is no other temporary fix. The mastery one is permanent (and was a minor mistake). The post says nothing about timegates, collections or mount abilities.
It only talks about communication, mastery exp and CoJ.
Everything else is your personal assumption with 0 evidence.
And edit:
I do not agree at all with your fix suggestion. I like the collection to be long and difficult. I only dislike the timegate being about day reset instead of in-game time. And the mount has to be useful in proportion to this collection, not a glorified throne requiring a tp skin to be useful.
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> @"Loosmaster.8263" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> > > > > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > > > > Anyone defending this failed system atm is just trolling. Ignore them. Anet already acknowledge they have made a mistake and are working on a fix. If they want to stand for mistakes and bad systems that's on them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And what mistakes are they fixing? where did you see it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you bother to read the comments, you will see that Anet already said they would fix the mastery problem and that they are looking on how to fix the mess they made in a permanent manner. I will copy paste here so you there isn't any chance you will pretend to not have seen it if you reply:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to provide a brief update after talking to various developers. We’re aware of the concerns expressed in this thread. The team is currently regrouping and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic as soon as we possibly can.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the meantime, we're pushing a hotfix that will include hiding the skyscale Mastery line for players who have not acquired the skyscale so that they will continue to gain Mastery experience toward acquiring Spirit Shards.
> > > > >
> > > > > We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. These creatures can encase you in ice and progress the Skyscale of Ice achievement. This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your understanding and patience."
> > > > >
> > > > > So yes anyone arguing for something that Anet admits is a mistake and is trying to fix at this point is just a concern troll and should just be ignored.
> > > >
> > > > The post you quoted doesn't say anywhere that they're going to fix the timegate and mount movement issues. Maybe they will, but that post only talks about the Ice Egg (not really a problem since you don't need CoJ already), spirit shards and communication.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry dude, read more carefully.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you should read more carefully, they are talking about a more permanent fix, they don't say it's only about those mistakes.
> >
> > The part about the temporary fix refers to the CoJ achievement (again, not even an issue, just that people can't read the tooltip). You are reading too much into it my friend.
> >
> >
> > > We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. [...] This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope you are right in general, but this post doesn't say anything useful
>
> You're both are fixated on that particular paragraph. It's the first one you should be questioning, **"We’re aware of the concerns expressed in this thread. The team is currently regrouping and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic as soon as we possibly can."**
Read again: "and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic"
I see nothing about an upcoming fix. Again, not saying they won't do it, but this post is saying another thing
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> @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> > > > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > > > Anyone defending this failed system atm is just trolling. Ignore them. Anet already acknowledge they have made a mistake and are working on a fix. If they want to stand for mistakes and bad systems that's on them.
> > > >
> > > > And what mistakes are they fixing? where did you see it?
> > >
> > > If you bother to read the comments, you will see that Anet already said they would fix the mastery problem and that they are looking on how to fix the mess they made in a permanent manner. I will copy paste here so you there isn't any chance you will pretend to not have seen it if you reply:
> > >
> > > "Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I wanted to provide a brief update after talking to various developers. We’re aware of the concerns expressed in this thread. The team is currently regrouping and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic as soon as we possibly can.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, we're pushing a hotfix that will include hiding the skyscale Mastery line for players who have not acquired the skyscale so that they will continue to gain Mastery experience toward acquiring Spirit Shards.
> > >
> > > We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. These creatures can encase you in ice and progress the Skyscale of Ice achievement. This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your understanding and patience."
> > >
> > > So yes anyone arguing for something that Anet admits is a mistake and is trying to fix at this point is just a concern troll and should just be ignored.
> >
> > The post you quoted doesn't say anywhere that they're going to fix the timegate and mount movement issues. Maybe they will, but that post only talks about the Ice Egg (not really a problem since you don't need CoJ already), spirit shards and communication.
> >
> > Sorry dude, read more carefully.
>
> Sorry, but you should read more carefully, they are talking about a more permanent fix, they don't say it's only about those mistakes.
The part about the temporary fix refers to the CoJ achievement (again, not even an issue, just that people can't read the tooltip). You are reading too much into it my friend.
> We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. [...] This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
I hope you are right in general, but this post doesn't say anything useful
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> @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > @"LucianDK.8615" said:
> > > @"tekhiun.8653" said:
> > > Anyone defending this failed system atm is just trolling. Ignore them. Anet already acknowledge they have made a mistake and are working on a fix. If they want to stand for mistakes and bad systems that's on them.
> >
> > And what mistakes are they fixing? where did you see it?
>
> If you bother to read the comments, you will see that Anet already said they would fix the mastery problem and that they are looking on how to fix the mess they made in a permanent manner. I will copy paste here so you there isn't any chance you will pretend to not have seen it if you reply:
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> "Hi everyone,
>
> I wanted to provide a brief update after talking to various developers. We’re aware of the concerns expressed in this thread. The team is currently regrouping and we’re aiming to communicate more about this topic as soon as we possibly can.
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> In the meantime, we're pushing a hotfix that will include hiding the skyscale Mastery line for players who have not acquired the skyscale so that they will continue to gain Mastery experience toward acquiring Spirit Shards.
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> We're also working on another hotfix coming later that will alleviate issues with finishing the Skyscale of Ice achievement in Frostgorge Sound by making the Corrupted Ice Elementals near the Claw of Jormag event respawn regularly. These creatures can encase you in ice and progress the Skyscale of Ice achievement. This is a temporary fix until we can get something more permanent.
>
> Thank you for your understanding and patience."
>
> So yes anyone arguing for something that Anet admits is a mistake and is trying to fix at this point is just a concern troll and should just be ignored.
The post you quoted doesn't say anywhere that they're going to fix the timegate and mount movement issues. Maybe they will, but that post only talks about the Ice Egg (not really a problem since you don't need CoJ already), spirit shards and communication.
Sorry dude, read more carefully.
[merged] About the Skyscale Timegate...
in Guild Wars 2 Discussion
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> @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > @"Kidel.2057" said:
> > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > @"Daniel Handler.4816" said:
> > > > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > > > @"Rukario.1695" said:
> > > > > > > @"Deihnyx.6318" said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) A mount being a mount does not mean it can't have prestige "requirements". Because it hasn't been done before doesn't automatically mean it won't. As I said, I do agree the marketing didn't properly prepare to it, but I also -know- that with this community it would have changed nothing. People wanting a mount cause it's cool would have had the same complains, minus this one. Look at the gryphon gold sink in old threads.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) We played 6 years of a game without it, and we were happy. The prospect of working towards improving the experience and "convenience" is a normal design in MMOs. You "work" hard for little added convenience. If you don't want that convenience, or if it's not worth it, you have the option not to do it at all. It's not a job.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) If you wanna go that way... I work often way more than 40 hours a week. Normal weekdays, and I love raids. Raids reset at 1 am or 2 am, where it's the most fun to raid. Highly annoying for me, but that doesn't mean it should be changed to match my expectation, because then someone else wouldn't be unable to do reset. They cannot make everyone happy.
> > > > > > > But anyway, this argument changes nothing when it comes to timegates
> > > > > > > Let's assume no timegate: It takes you 15 days to do it at your own pace. It will take a "no life" an entire day and they'll have it 15 days before you.
> > > > > > > Let's assume timegate: Let's say it takes you 3 days for each collection. 15 days + 8 days of timegate = 23 days. For a "no life", they'll get it in 8 days. Still 15 days before you.
> > > > > > > Working or not working affects everyone the same way. Actually, it is better for people who don't have a whole day, as it can get a little easier to catch up on the no life people.
> > > > > > > So really, I know this argument is being thrown around here, but it just doesn't work. If you work and have a busy life, you will always be behind. There is nothing you can do and it's not the MMOs fault.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) Not everything in a MMO is meant for everyone. It just isn't. Seasonal events are temporary. "timegated", and there's a pretty good reason for that. So if they wanted to but couldn't? Well again, too bad. But they can also realize it doesn't matter, that they'll be able to get it in just a little bit longer, just like the mount here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Artificially blocking people on purpose from participating in content they wish to engage in is not what I would call _Prestige Requirements_ -- If that's the case, make the collection LONGER or HARDER. I will do it, I do not care.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Playing the game without mounts for 6 years? I don't know if it the time gap between Core and PoF was 6 years, however I already am well aware of the pain of running everywhere on foot. I finished Map Completion 4 weeks after Core released, it took 250 hours. You do not see me upset that mounts were added just because I dedicated 250 hours to traversing difficult slopes and odd geometry within various maps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) I'm glad you have a compatible schedule that lets you play the game the way you are comfortable playing. I, however, do not. No one's personal experience is the same as another and that was my point. None of us give a kitten about who gets the mount first. Why are you insinuating that? Where have I even said that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4) You're now comparing apples and oranges. I'm finished discussing this.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) It's not. It's hollow. But instead of blaming Anet, blame the "NERF EVERYTHING" crowd that doesn't understand that oh no builds are there to be experimented with and you're supposed to actually get good in a video game to get prestige rewards. Maybe -then- we could get more meaningful content.
> > > > > So instead two solutions always: gold sink (= time sink or credit card sink) or timegate + collectaton. Pick your poison.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) My point is that it's all entirely optional. Useless mount or not, It doesn't matter. You want it, here are the requirement, you don't want it? There's better anyway. The "optional" nature of the mount makes it comparable to Aurora to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) I just said I wasn't comfortable with how reset was handled for raids. However, I do understand that it is literally impossible to please everyone own schedule and life balance, so I will never blame Anet for that. I always have the option to not do it.
> > > > > In this case though, the requirements are not out of reach even for someone who works a lot. There are people who work full time and still are getting all their raids done every week, people who get all their WvW chests done or PVP done every week. The mount is not going anywhere, it's gonna be there in one month or two, it's 100% compatible with a busy life.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Timegates are timegates, and the one I was discussing before about SAB is a seasonal timegate event that does bring a lot of "stress" and "rush" for people who absolutely want it now immediately otherwise everything is lost forever. Same situation here.
> > > >
> > > > It should not be comparable to Aurora. No mount is a legendary.
> > >
> > > I fixed that cause I was expecting this answer and didn't want to start that discussion again but:
> > > It has everything legendary but the name. Absolutely everything. It has the time associated to it, lots of collections, and potentially cost.
> > >
> > > Literally the only issue was that it was badly marketed. But it was free content also, nobody "lost" money over this so it doesn't deserve all the outrage anyway.
> > > (yes yes yes you paid for PoF expecting a living season but nobody knew the living season would come with mounts, argument void)
> >
> > You forgot the most important part, that coincidentally is what this mount lacks: **advantages**. And not only that.
> >
> > 1) A legendary weapon is the strongest you can get. This mount is not.
> > 2) A legendary weapon has a unique skin that can't be topped by anything on the TP. This mount will have skins to buy.
> > 3) A legendary weapon allows for stat change and upgrade swap, being equivalent to countless ascended ones. This mount is worse then a Springer, with **an annoying auto grab that makes climbing paradoxically harder (since you can't land on small overhangs to gain stamina).**
> >
> > Keep in mind that a Springer is like a fine/blue weapon that you buy from an npc. And it's better than your "legendary" mount.
> >
> > I don't think that an honest person could say that this mount is worth the effort. And don't give me the "so don't do it". I'm already past step 3 and I care enough about this game to give my criticism when it's needed.
>
> I would discuss this, as I agree with some of the points you made (the climbing is not great), but I believe this gets a little out of topic.
> Although I will totally say don't do it if you don't want it :P, but I do appreciate people genuinely caring about the game in their criticism.
It's cool, I like to have honest discussions :)
Second day of feeding for me. I hope by the time this thing is adult it can at least get a buff.
My main concerns do not involve timegating (I just find it unfair that it's based on resets instead of actual time), but the fact that we are doing a huge collection for a vanity mount.
Make it useful, not just cool