LucianDK.8615

Look at the invocation gm trait Charged Mists. If you change legends while at 10 or below energy, you start with 75 energy instead of 50. Really, really good for Renegade as they dont need the crit trait.

Ive long ago given up on raids due to the incredible levels of toxcity and elistm in there.. The link above is interesting, but it doesnt touch at all upon the actual builds.

Also its armor and weapons only, not trinkets nor back. Waterbreathers cant be changed tho.

Ascended Vipers Armor is horrible to craft due to needing hot items from meta. Which is why people craft baseline ascended armor and converts it to viper in the forge.

Hrm....I see. Guess it contributes to Revenants no longer being as popular due to no longer needing their Facet of Nature for boon duration. Guess I was too used to older rev style where you kept it up and changed legends just before running out of energy to ensure it stayed active.. Takes me by suprise that other classes no longer is reliant on it. Perhaps we should ask for a redesign of Facet of Nature since its irelevant now.

But not having to channel it should make the shiro drain much easier to bear until you can change legends.

I had been playing with Renegade, but ultimately found the spirits too obnoxious to deal with. Plus its difficult not having swiftness on demand, nor the Glint heal. But it seems Herald shield is still useless for a power rev.

Ive been wondering if its even worth it to run it at all when on your own? It seems to have little use if you are in Glint stance, given that you pulse your boons yourself. Jalis have no use for it. But Shiro? The only thing i can see is getting more efficiency from the superspeed boon provided by impossible odds. Which is rendered far less important by the existence of mounts

So it seems to me its mainly a party benefit to lenghten quickness in particular.

But didnt power renegade put out bigger numbers than herald as mentioned earlier?

The hammer feels a lot more useful than the shortbow for a power renegade, most notably because of better range and skills. The shortbow doesnt compare at all.

I rarely use a staff switch, with the cc from sword offhand and hammer 5 i feel pretty pretty set. And its hard not having a hammer when kiting a mob like one of the big dinos around whom wants to charge and knock you down. Which is much harder to avoid in melee range.

Some good words here. Citadel bombardement seems to do pretty good damage tho, especially with its related trait.

But yeah, increasingly starting to sound like that power renegade is misunderstood. Reminds me of in vanilla Wow, how disicpline priests was considered useless and weak, because absorbs from power shield did not show up in the logs. But once it was added, people quickly became aware of what they had unjustly slagged.

Ive heard great words of how powerful soulcleave is in groups, pretty underestimated.

This build is pretty interesting, actually. Seems to be mainly relying on soulcleave from the spirits, due to being the only upkeep skill for Kalla. Plus you want to have an upkeep skill for the +7% damage buff. Running yourself low, then swapping to gain 75 energy and allowing for more rapid draining. And Citadel Bombardement becomes much stronger. Though with chaining two heavy upkeep skills in both legends, it seems you will mainly only be able to pop a Citadel Bombardement and relying on autoattack. At least you can channel for longer if you proper get the 75 energy per round

But I am questioning the choice of the Wrought Iron trait. It seems counterintuitive with Brutal Momentum that enhances your crit while at full endurance, and wrought iron encourages you to dodge. Wouldnt blood fury be a more reliable choice for gaining kallas fervor? Since its much easier to gain fury, and becomming easier to stack up Kallas fervor with the short duration of 8s.

Must be quite rare or non existent seemingly :(

Ive seen it mentioned as doing slightly more dps than power herald. But ive been unable to find any recent builds.

hardly unlimited energy in glint if you are channeling a lot of facets. Though youd probably want to maintain F2 in shiro if grouped

Hrm, shiro seems much harder to use than jalis. Cant really use any skills beside autoattack if you dont want to run out of juice before legend swap is up

how effective is kiting really for a meleer, since you have to be in melee range to pull it off as well keeping attacking?

I am quite wondering too. Shield seems too much of a damage loss from sword 4. Its really really stabby. In general shield looks useless.

Huh, I see, that does make it more bearable, yes. Hum, i get that about unleashing facet of elements, though im uncertain what the other 2 non elites should be unleashed for, or just kept for upkeep. I asume using the elite skill too if not blowing it for cc.

Also, the use for the F2 skill?

Hrm, is it really that significantly worser than condirenegade? Im almost shocked.

Its mainly rotation i was looking for, in particular to glint and trait choices. Dont remember a lot of it.

Been looking at metabattle, but the site seems broken to me.

Had a long absence until PoF. Ive tried renegade, but I find the spirits terrible to deal with. So I am looking to get back on Herald, but how is it looking now? Sword/sword? Offhand sword looks tasty now with shadowstep and cc.

> @Ertrak.9506 said:

> > @LucianDK.8615 said:

> > > @Ertrak.9506 said:

> > > > @LucianDK.8615 said:

> > > > Curious that theres so much disagreement about Invo vs Deva. But yeah, i can agree that while the kalla spirits seems they have a higher teoretical maximum, its rarely achieved due to the multiple opportunity costs as outlined above, vs the ease of use of hammers.

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> > > Its pretty easy to achieve that theoretical in raids. Fractals are a whole different story.

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> > > In all honesty, its starting to look like this while debate is coming entirely down to situation, which i think is a good thing!

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> > > For example, last night i was a cannon dps for sabetha. Since my dps was already going to suffer from having to do cannons i brought AP and kalla to support what dps i could do (area heal, pulsing daze for 2nd miniboss).

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> > > Prior to that i ran invocation/kalla for maximum possible dps for gorseval (no updrafts) due to the dps check (i got top dps ^^). For sloth i will still run hammers due to damage splitting/ fear.

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> > > Its all depends on the situation now imo, and that's good cuz there's no one best thing for everything.

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> > I meant there seems to be conflicting accounts on wether Invocation or Devastation is the top performing third traitline for a condi rev. You say its Invo, But Blood Red arachnid above says he tested it as deva comming ahead.

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> Honestly, i don't know. I personality get better numbers wth invo over deves in a vacuum, not accounting for mechanics and such. I am also talking strictly personal dps too; I'm not accounting for group dps from AP.

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> Feel free to correct me on this butt the 37k dps benchmark was also done with invo over deves too. I also noticed to that with full buffs the crit chance increase to fury is wasted now as I'm hitting 122 ish crit chance (although this drops when you need to dodge).

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> Edit: full buffs = realistic standard buffs w/ top end food/utility

For comparision, what does baseline condi rev with invo and deva give?

Granted you do get resistance when you use pain absorb, and you can trait it to be stronger with demonic defiance. Its my speculation it was meant to be used with bolstered anguish that improves your damage with 3% per condition on you, as well maniacal persistance that hits 5nearby foes with torment when you gain resistance.

Alternatively pulsating pestilence to copy your conditions to nearby foes upon invoking a legend. Though that carries its own problems, giving up venom enhancement, abyssal chill and diabolic inferno. Plus even thinking of pain absorbsion diminishes your energy pool for channeling embrace the darkness and weaponskills..

But for stunbreak, the invo trait on legend swap remains the best one as it has no cast time.

afraid we have to wait for the first 3monthly balance patch to see any significant changes. I expect they want to gather data from live first. Hopefully they will see a significant lack of shortbow use, though I worry many revs not using the forums doesnt realize how bad it is compared to mace/axe

> @Ertrak.9506 said:

> > @LucianDK.8615 said:

> > Curious that theres so much disagreement about Invo vs Deva. But yeah, i can agree that while the kalla spirits seems they have a higher teoretical maximum, its rarely achieved due to the multiple opportunity costs as outlined above, vs the ease of use of hammers.

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> Its pretty easy to achieve that theoretical in raids. Fractals are a whole different story.

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> In all honesty, its starting to look like this while debate is coming entirely down to situation, which i think is a good thing!

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> For example, last night i was a cannon dps for sabetha. Since my dps was already going to suffer from having to do cannons i brought AP and kalla to support what dps i could do (area heal, pulsing daze for 2nd miniboss).

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> Prior to that i ran invocation/kalla for maximum possible dps for gorseval (no updrafts) due to the dps check (i got top dps ^^). For sloth i will still run hammers due to damage splitting/ fear.

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> Its all depends on the situation now imo, and that's good cuz there's no one best thing for everything.

I meant there seems to be conflicting accounts on wether Invocation or Devastation is the top performing third traitline for a condi rev. You say its Invo, But Blood Red arachnid above says he tested it as deva comming ahead.

> @Menadena.7482 said:

> > @Nightshade.5924 said:

> > > @Mitzarin.2963 said:

> > > > @Pifil.5193 said:

> > > > Is fine, a 250g sink is fine for this, most vets probably have far more than this (I've sank a lot more gold into cultural armour and got much less out of it) and those that don't have that much gold can make it over a few weeks or months and treat it as a longer term goal.

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> > > That's a fair point; but the achievement and title for cultural armor doesn't have an effect on game-play, the Griffon does. It replaces the glider as a more effective version of it that also travels fast - additionally, it locks mastery experience behind gold (or real life $$) which has not been done before and in my mind sets a dangerous precedent. ONE time is OK, but when people are all like whatever, it's fine, that's when in the third expansion, we're potentially paying 500 gold just to progress.

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> > My thing is... I just paid for an expansion. SO WHY AM I EFFECTIVELY PAYING TWENTY MORE DOLLARS FOR A MOUNT THAT IS PART OF THAT EXPANSION? 100 Gold, at most, would have been reasonable. That would make the entire mount line about 130 gold. That is a much more sane and reasonable gold sink. 250 gold is almost what you would pay for a commander upgrade... more/better functionality, granted, but it bears saying again... this is an EXTRA COST HIDDEN in the expansion. Bad form, Anet, Bad form.

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> Strange, I did not notice much of an upgrade when I got my commander tag.

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> I would GLADLY pay 250 gold for the griffon if that is all it was. I decided against it the moment I heard the quest involved jumping puzzles. Suddenly I lost interest in completing the story because then I would feel I had to get the griffon and knew I would not enjoy the quest.

I think you got trolled, theres no jumping puzzles to aquire the griffon. You can glide or easilly springer jump to wherever you need to be. Getting the eggs per zone is the hardest thing, beside waiting for the events needed for the collectibles. I strongly recommend watching the dulfy egg collection videos. I finished all of them in a few hours with them as a guide. Vabbi was probably the 'hardest' one, but with the guide video you know just were to gryphon glide. Yes, you get a loaner one from every egg roost you visit, so you can glide to another nearby one.

I ended bringing a friend to help killing the elites, and i wearied of killing the same single elite and resetting over and over again.