EremiteAngel.9765 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just wondering because I rarely see Burn DH in Zerg fights these days and wouldn't they in theory counter Scourge? On F3 shield, trait for burn on block, lead the charge into the Scourges' shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 arent sourges mostly built with aoe ground targeted skills? DH f3 only blocks frontal direct atacks, and DH f3 nowadays gets easilly interrupted even if the DH has stability and is not even atacking... same happens with shelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haematic.4913 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 They'll just transfer the burn stacks back to you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted October 16, 2017 Author Share Posted October 16, 2017 > @Aeolus.3615 said: > arent sourges mostly built with aoe ground targeted skills? > > DH f3 only blocks frontal direct atacks, and DH f3 nowadays gets easilly interrupted even if the DH has stability and is not even atacking... same happens with shelter. Actually F3 block negates all shade attacks. You can get a friend to try. Stand in any position in his shade facing the Scourge and you will block all his attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 A condi build countering a condi transfer class... Yes. And your hand makes an excellent tool to put out forest fires too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowaki.2136 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 No, trapper DH with bow does counter it tho..... to be fair any class with a bow (and thief with pistols/DE) counter scourage, and spellbreaker but they counter anything so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Longbow druid would counter scourge well, but zergs have just too much barrier. Hard to kill scourge inside 60 man blob if you run alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momophily.3814 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Nope, DH will counter scourge with the F2 kits due to the heal and high condi cleans, but its limited in effectivness. The counter for scourge is to have no boons and fight at range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Dumort.3109 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Can confirm range is difficult to counter as Scourge. Any class with decent mobility really. If I am trying to solo a camp or join a zerg and I get targeted by dead eye or long bow ranger, I pretty much resign myself to death as I have shitty, long cool down gap closers, no blocks, and horrible projectile block skills. I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 > @"Esprit Dumort.3109" said: > Can confirm range is difficult to counter as Scourge. Any class with decent mobility really. > > If I am trying to solo a camp or join a zerg and I get targeted by dead eye or long bow ranger, I pretty much resign myself to death as I have kitten, long cool down gap closers, no blocks, and horrible projectile block skills. > > I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. I dunno...I gave 2 different rangers a run for their money (Soulbeast/druid). Both werent together. Faced a DH/Soulbeast today and both eventually dropped (not at the same time but in the same fight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne.6140 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 > @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said: > > @"Esprit Dumort.3109" said: > > Can confirm range is difficult to counter as Scourge. Any class with decent mobility really. > > > > If I am trying to solo a camp or join a zerg and I get targeted by dead eye or long bow ranger, I pretty much resign myself to death as I have kitten, long cool down gap closers, no blocks, and horrible projectile block skills. > > > > I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. > > I dunno...I gave 2 different rangers a run for their money (Soulbeast/druid). Both werent together. Faced a DH/Soulbeast today and both eventually dropped (not at the same time but in the same fight) They probably need to learn to play. Knockback and that long ass immob with the recent ferocity changes makes soulbeast the perfect counter to scourge. Scourge with its shitty 900 range and crap mobility is a joke to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyra.4709 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 While mostly working in PvP I've found a similar build to work in WvW against Scourges on Deadeye. Full zerker rifle (Force + Impact sigils) utilizing the knockdown cantrip, power on revealed traits, signet that grants 500-something power on active... you get the picture. Literally blast that pesky scourge down! Hope that helps. Feel free to ask any questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jul.7602 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I don't think these posts are answering the OP's question which seems to be more geared towards massive zergs as opposed to spvp and roaming or dueling. There are several things wrong with "burn DH countering scourge" 1. Why are you running burn DH in a zerg when burn firebrand is superior in literally every single aspect. 2. For one reason or another, scourges scale much better in mass than burn DHs due significantly larger AoE damage, barriers, boon corrupt, cc, ect. Also to address some your point about f3 and leading the charge into scourge; it simply doesn't work for a multitude of reasons. 1. The burn on block trait has a 1 second internal cool down and you don't have very many blocks to begin with which means you'll be doing trivial amounts of damage and will literally get yourself killed if you try to face tank multiple scourges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drarnor Kunoram.5180 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @jul.7602 said: > I don't think these posts are answering the OP's question which seems to be more geared towards massive zergs as opposed to spvp and roaming or dueling. There are several things wrong with "burn DH countering scourge" > 1. Why are you running burn DH in a zerg when burn firebrand is superior in literally every single aspect. The one thing Dragonhunter definitely does better than Firebrand is the F3 block letting you and allies safely charge in through shades (and most other attacks). Is that enough? Probably not, but it is a unique advantage to Dragonhunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @momophily.3814 said: > The counter for scourge is to have no boons and fight at range This! This strategy negates 90% of his condi pressue. But you still need a few disengage tools as the scourge has some tools to close the gap effectively (portal, cripple, chill). > @"Esprit Dumort.3109" said: > I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. Not if you run staff + trailblazer / dire. Full Viper... every semi competent player will see you as a free kill if he catches you on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aomine.5012 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @Nowaki.2136 said: > No, trapper DH with bow does counter it tho..... to be fair any class with a bow (and thief with pistols/DE) counter scourage, and spellbreaker but they counter anything so.... DH "range" dps is not strong enough and mobile enough to threaten a Scourge. Deadeye does with teleport and stealth. Not to mention P/P deadeye damage is just disgusting in range standard. LB Druid can annoy Scourge quite a bit with immobolize and 1700 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aomine.5012 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @Roxanne.6140 said: > > @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said: > > > @"Esprit Dumort.3109" said: > > > Can confirm range is difficult to counter as Scourge. Any class with decent mobility really. > > > > > > If I am trying to solo a camp or join a zerg and I get targeted by dead eye or long bow ranger, I pretty much resign myself to death as I have kitten, long cool down gap closers, no blocks, and horrible projectile block skills. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. > > > > I dunno...I gave 2 different rangers a run for their money (Soulbeast/druid). Both werent together. Faced a DH/Soulbeast today and both eventually dropped (not at the same time but in the same fight) > > They probably need to learn to play. Knockback and that long kitten immob with the recent ferocity changes makes soulbeast the perfect counter to scourge. Scourge with its kitten 900 range and crap mobility is a joke to them. Soulbeast is a joke to Scourge in WvW due to severe lack of cleanse and zero boon removal. As long as any of the shade f1 lands on Soulbeast, the fight is over. (cripple weakness torment, burn, boon corrupt in one click) If you're Druid, at least you got a full cleanse , stealth, heal, and ancient seed to have a fighting chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @jul.7602 said: > 1. Why are you running burn DH in a zerg when burn firebrand is superior in literally every single aspect. > 1. The burn on block trait has a 1 second internal cool down and you don't have very many blocks to begin with which means you'll be doing trivial amounts of damage and will literally get yourself killed if you try to face tank multiple scourges. burn dh has WAY better burst. the block doesn't do lots of damage to one person, but does tons of aoe damage to the entire zerg. also, scourges don't have unblockable attacks, so dh leading the charge could work in theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Burn DH counters Necromancer/Scourge vs other classes enjoy the video by The Kaiju https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf34YzpIrFk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jul.7602 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > > @jul.7602 said: > > 1. Why are you running burn DH in a zerg when burn firebrand is superior in literally every single aspect. > > 1. The burn on block trait has a 1 second internal cool down and you don't have very many blocks to begin with which means you'll be doing trivial amounts of damage and will literally get yourself killed if you try to face tank multiple scourges. > > burn dh has WAY better burst. > the block doesn't do lots of damage to one person, but does tons of aoe damage to the entire zerg. also, scourges don't have unblockable attacks, so dh leading the charge could work in theory... DH does not have a bigger burst. Spamming the f3 tome reflection skill in the middle of zergs does substantially more damage than block spam with f3 due to constantly procing permeating wrath. The damage is even more extreme when you start spamming the f1 tome. I don't really get where everyone is going with "charging into scourges", for one there are still unblockable marks and wells, and even if you did get in 200-melee range of scourge then what? You'll get condi bursted almost as soon as virtue of courage expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drekor.5217 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @EremiteAngel.9765 said: > > @Aeolus.3615 said: > > arent sourges mostly built with aoe ground targeted skills? > > > > DH f3 only blocks frontal direct atacks, and DH f3 nowadays gets easilly interrupted even if the DH has stability and is not even atacking... same happens with shelter. > > Actually F3 block negates all shade attacks. You can get a friend to try. Stand in any position in his shade facing the Scourge and you will block all his attacks. Staff marks are unblockable you'll get fire stacks applied back onto you and feared away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaedus.7290 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @"Stand The Wall.6987" said: > burn dh has WAY better burst. Lolno it doesn't. Firebrand can stack more burns off of a near-instantaneous burst, can deal more burning damage over time, has more blocks over a long period of time and has better access to cover condis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmageddonAsh.6430 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 > @"Esprit Dumort.3109" said: > Can confirm range is difficult to counter as Scourge. Any class with decent mobility really. > > If I am trying to solo a camp or join a zerg and I get targeted by dead eye or long bow ranger, I pretty much resign myself to death as I have kitten, long cool down gap closers, no blocks, and horrible projectile block skills. > > I'm pretty sure rangers and thieves see Scourge as free kills in WvW. I play Ranger, i wouldnt see them as "free" kills. I see them as POSSIBLE kills if i dont mess up. If i do. Condi bomb = death. Even with all my condi removal its just not enough. Not sure about others though. Plus i havent been playing Ranger or Soulbeast that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 > @"EremiteAngel.9765" said: > Just wondering because I rarely see Burn DH in Zerg fights these days and wouldn't they in theory counter Scourge? > On F3 shield, trait for burn on block, lead the charge into the Scourges' shades. normal dh counters scourge in solo. the burst just owns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovu.7560 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Necromancer and all of its elite specs has always been ranger's easiest fight. All other classes have enough range to counter or obscene mobility to close. So yeah. Okay. If they (scourges) close and shit on you with 14 conditions you're pretty much effed on core ranger or soulbeast, but at that point you've already put yourself at a disadvantage. _Unless you're playing a melee-only ranger. But if you're really doing that you'd save yourself a lot of effort by just uninstalling the game._ Rangers are pretty much the answer to Necromancers. Which is nice, we're not the definitive answer to anything else. ~ Kovu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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