Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol HS only other damaging skill and only good damage if opponents low. Instead of theory u go try backstabbing a guard in a 1v1 and see how far u get up against their burn tics, skills and defensive skills. Unless their bad and u badly outplay them good luck to u. Kiting with clusters on sb keeps u safe but will never down a decent guard. Shadow shots lol yeah do that on a burn guard or dh and eat more burns or insta death trap combo- tell u play a lot of thief. > > > > > > Yeah dont mind him, he literally never played theif and knows absolutely nothing about it. He just has an irrational hatred for it that overrides everything else. > > > > You are simply dont know your class :P > > You dont know which traits to use , and just follow ''what the majority does'' > > Yeah that's always the answer from a biased player that knows nothing about the class it dislikes other than that they hate being killed by them lol > U simply don't know ur class blah blah yeah cuz definitely would understand how fights go on thief's side being the one that doesn't play it, ud definitely know more than a player who has over 3k hrs just on thief lmao Dont you find it kinda strange , why i am talking only to your 2 and none else from the other thiefs ? :P You 2 simply remind me ppl from 2012 ... so you wont change ..i wont change : :P Brbr going to shopping :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > Yeah thsts why I stated that he should try back stabbing a decent guard and see how much of a dent it does for em lol guards have so much mitagation even with three boon rips it tickles them and with there other defensive skills on top of farting burns that hit as much each tic as our burst that requires set up. I'd like to see him shadow shot a guard and 50/50 goes thru and if does tickles than eat a stack of 15k burns if u don't have a clear left or ini to go invisibile to clear if using SA trait. > > If they pre-emptivly casted Protection , you can wait 3 sec , before the burst . Or use some traits that steal >removes boons > > If you let yourself get him by 10 attacks > so his 3rdvirtue Burn is enabled 3 times ... and you didnt dodge...i am sorry Lol u keep imagining fantasy fight scenarios:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > Lol HS only other damaging skill and only good damage if opponents low. Instead of theory u go try backstabbing a guard in a 1v1 and see how far u get up against their burn tics, skills and defensive skills. Unless their bad and u badly outplay them good luck to u. Kiting with clusters on sb keeps u safe but will never down a decent guard. Shadow shots lol yeah do that on a burn guard or dh and eat more burns or insta death trap combo- tell u play a lot of thief. > > Yeah dont mind him, he literally never played theif and knows absolutely nothing about it. He just has an irrational hatred for it that overrides everything else. I know he used to follow me around before I took a forum break to argue any post I jioned. Think they have bit of a crush lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Strige.9382" said: > Look the title. **+1** - the same question i always ask, how does a support role suddenly become a condition base role? here is a 7 years old build video of Burn Guardian Year 2015, Burn Guardian appears again 2020, Burn Guard magically reappears again **The past is proof that, Band Aid Quick Fixes are more of a priority and are more important than resolving core root problems from ever reappearing again** **'IF YOU DON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEMS FROM YOUR PAST THEY WILL FOLLOW YOU INTO THE FUTURE'** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ysmir.4986 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Burn guard is the issue? I think your l2p issue is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol HS only other damaging skill and only good damage if opponents low. Instead of theory u go try backstabbing a guard in a 1v1 and see how far u get up against their burn tics, skills and defensive skills. Unless their bad and u badly outplay them good luck to u. Kiting with clusters on sb keeps u safe but will never down a decent guard. Shadow shots lol yeah do that on a burn guard or dh and eat more burns or insta death trap combo- tell u play a lot of thief. > > > > Yeah dont mind him, he literally never played theif and knows absolutely nothing about it. He just has an irrational hatred for it that overrides everything else. > > I know he used to follow me around before I took a forum break to argue any post I jioned. Think they have bit of a crush lol. I need your mascilune body across my frail one :P brb shopping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharan.9085 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > Lol HS only other damaging skill and only good damage if opponents low. Instead of theory u go try backstabbing a guard in a 1v1 and see how far u get up against their burn tics, skills and defensive skills. Unless their bad and u badly outplay them good luck to u. Kiting with clusters on sb keeps u safe but will never down a decent guard. Shadow shots lol yeah do that on a burn guard or dh and eat more burns or insta death trap combo- tell u play a lot of thief. If you're trying to 1v1 a guard on a thief you're obviously playing your class wrong (but yes, nerf burn dmg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Tharan.9085" said: > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > Lol HS only other damaging skill and only good damage if opponents low. Instead of theory u go try backstabbing a guard in a 1v1 and see how far u get up against their burn tics, skills and defensive skills. Unless their bad and u badly outplay them good luck to u. Kiting with clusters on sb keeps u safe but will never down a decent guard. Shadow shots lol yeah do that on a burn guard or dh and eat more burns or insta death trap combo- tell u play a lot of thief. > > If you're trying to 1v1 a guard on a thief you're obviously playing your class wrong (but yes, nerf burn dmg) I agree 100% it's not smart but sometimes for fun I 1v1 necros or guards and I win often actually but the issue is it feels like I need to hit the opponent no joke 40 times and do this over a time span of a minute all while if I get hit once or twice in gotta back off and reset so in over a minute I gotta hit an opponent a crazy amount of times all while avoiding almost all damage to avoid them and that's even if I get my bursts off, that is not how a engagement with a burst class vs bunker should go. A burst class like thief should yes have to avoid most damage but if they get their bursts and skills off should not be rewarded with a minute long or more 1v1. If the burst class outlays the bunker and gets its bursts off a burst class should down even bunkers in a decent time,no where near as long as now. But yes ur right if playing thief most effectively in it's current state and games current state it is more wise to avoid such engagements. Hell even +1ing on thief right now takes forever vs some classes even when ur bursts connect lol that is just sad. Bach to guard tho theres no reason why anet cant burn the ridiculous burn damage per tic and give guards some buffs in other areas to make them viable in high lv games. Just feels like right now guards and its specs rely on the broken burn damage just to be viable, which shouldn't be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > Swipe can bypass aegis > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > No Guard use the aegis>protection > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P No shit, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished Aegis is removes from the next hit If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . Its like the Basilisc poison Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth . (didnt you and Psycophrophet , did the same thing in the newer ppl that whined about Thieves ? Cant i have somke fun too ?:P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > Aegis is removes from the next hit > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > Its like the Basilisc poison > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . You can do more damag with less atacks Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P Trust me , dont be foolish . Take a loss and take a break :P You will sleep better at night :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > You can do more damag with less atacks > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > Take a loss and take a break :P > You will sleep better at night :P > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > You can do more damag with less atacks > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > Trust me , dont be foolish . > Take a loss and take a break :P > You will sleep better at night :P Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > You will sleep better at night :P > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells and be kinda wortless as a Bunker , but a prety ok-ish 1v1v fighter . You can even do 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. 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UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum Virtue and from the weapons are the same On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv If he has Carrior you will do 8k If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...well he is like , the John Snow :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider.7849 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 ..and make burning like it was back in pre-hot, a clone to bleeding? I know from fighting all classes that output burning (yes including burn guards) that there is NO issue with it. It is a necessary condition for spike damage in condi builds. You cant face tank a power build so why do you feel it's okay to face tank enough hits to die to burning? Can people stop crying nerf for everything they lose to. What do you all want, each class to be exact clones of one another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your goddamn story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. 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Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > > > > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > > > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > > > > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > > > > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > > > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > > > > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > > > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest > > Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. 1) It didnt ever work with Swiftness .That was the point. 2)Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. 3)Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue , did 10k burn ? Damm son , your maths are rad 4) Fixed a bug that caused this signet to grant its old bonus damage increase in addition to the bonus power.March 17, 2020 Video 04/04/2020 5)Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. myopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > > > > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > > > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > > > > > > > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > > > > > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > > > > > > > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > > > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > > > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > > > > > > > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > > > > > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > > > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > > > > > > > > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > > > > > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest > > > > Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > 1) It didnt ever work with Swiftness .That was the point. It did. Wrong as usual. [Here](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/85226/rising-momentum-impossible-odds) you have some people talking about it. > 2)Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. Good grief, you really are a child. > 3)Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue , did 10k burn ? kitten son , your maths are rad Where did you get 10k burn from? Usually when you make up a lie I can at least guess what you gleaned it from, but this time Im legitimately stumped. > 4) Fixed a bug that caused this signet to grant its old bonus damage increase in addition to the bonus power.March 17, 2020 > Video 04/04/2020 You need to improve your reading comprehension. The first part was talking about sPvP, not the video. The video was using a bad build that pushes damage to the max. But hey, not surprising, we know youre not big on accuracy. > 5)Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. You just legitimately are a child, arent you? That, and/or a burnfall alt. Either way, what you say is so thoroughly and inevitably wrong, that there is no point but to just remind you, and everyone else, that you are always wrong. And talk about classes you dont know. Classes who you hate so much, youre willing to lie about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > > > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > > > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > > > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > > > > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > > > > > > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > > > > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > > > > > > > > > > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > > > > > > > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > > > > > > > > > > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > > > > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > > > > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > > > > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > > > > > > > > > > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > > > > > > > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > > > > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > > > > > > > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest > > > > > > Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > > > 1) It didnt ever work with Swiftness .That was the point. > > It did. Wrong as usual. [Here](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/85226/rising-momentum-impossible-odds) you have some people talking about it. > > > 2)Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > Good grief, you really are a child. > > > 3)Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue , did 10k burn ? kitten son , your maths are rad > > Where did you get 10k burn from? Usually when you make up a lie I can at least guess what you gleaned it from, but this time Im legitimately stumped. > > > 4) Fixed a bug that caused this signet to grant its old bonus damage increase in addition to the bonus power.March 17, 2020 > > Video 04/04/2020 > > You need to improve your reading comprehension. The first part was talking about sPvP, not the video. The video was using a bad build that pushes damage to the max. But hey, not surprising, we know youre not big on accuracy. > > > 5)Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > You just legitimately are a child, arent you? That, and/or a burnfall alt. Either way, what you say is so thoroughly and inevitably wrong, that there is no point but to just remind you, and everyone else, that you are always wrong. And talk about classes you dont know. Classes who you hate so much, youre willing to lie about them. 1) Read the thread too Its not like 15% + 33% swiftness = 48% speed, where Revs can catch easily thiefs 2) Good grief, you really are a child. And show me some video 3) So if 3 attacks doesnt give you 10k burns (as you whined) , then the Guardian need MORE ATTACKS. So its not instant and undodgable as you said 4) So gaurdians that not choose to more than needed defenisve traits , and opt to get an offensive ones for extra Burn is a bad build ? The goal of the Thief is to go in and do max damage and run . He is not a Brusser to stay with shadow Arts with 1 fear + 2k damage (because you dont like to restealth) 5) You just legitimately are a child, arent you? That, and/or a burnfall alt. Either way, what you say is so thoroughly and inevitably wrong, that there is no point but to just remind you, and everyone else, that you are always wrong. And talk about classes you dont know. Classes who you hate so much, youre willing to lie about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > > > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > > > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > > > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > > > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > > > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > > > > > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > > > > > > > > > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > > > > > > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > > > > > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > > > > > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > > > > > > > > > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > > > > > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > > > > > > > > > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest > > > > > > > > Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > > > > > 1) It didnt ever work with Swiftness .That was the point. > > > > It did. Wrong as usual. [Here](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/85226/rising-momentum-impossible-odds) you have some people talking about it. > > > > > 2)Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > Good grief, you really are a child. > > > > > 3)Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue , did 10k burn ? kitten son , your maths are rad > > > > Where did you get 10k burn from? Usually when you make up a lie I can at least guess what you gleaned it from, but this time Im legitimately stumped. > > > > > 4) Fixed a bug that caused this signet to grant its old bonus damage increase in addition to the bonus power.March 17, 2020 > > > Video 04/04/2020 > > > > You need to improve your reading comprehension. The first part was talking about sPvP, not the video. The video was using a bad build that pushes damage to the max. But hey, not surprising, we know youre not big on accuracy. > > > > > 5)Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > > > You just legitimately are a child, arent you? That, and/or a burnfall alt. Either way, what you say is so thoroughly and inevitably wrong, that there is no point but to just remind you, and everyone else, that you are always wrong. And talk about classes you dont know. Classes who you hate so much, youre willing to lie about them. > > 1) Read the thread too > Its not like 15% + 33% swiftness = 48% speed, where Revs can catch easily thiefs > Actually, it is exactly that. Well, either that or they stack multiplicatively. I didnt look that carefully when I tested. > 2) And show me some video > Nah. Its more effective if you learn that you were wrong through your own hands. > 3) So if 3 attacks doesnt give you 10k burns (as you whined) , then the Guardian need MORE ATTACKS. So its not instant and undodgable as you said > Noone talked about 10k burn here, did they? 10k burn is also doable in an undogable version, but that requires a bit more, and I cant be bothered to look up what that combo looks like exactly. Sides, even if its just 6k-8k instant burn, thats still guaranteed damage you take, and then you have to hope that they dont ever tag you with burn again, or you die. > 4) So gaurdians that not choose to more than needed defenisve traits , and opt to get an offensive ones for extra Burn is a bad build ? There are only 2 traitlines that interact with burning. One is an offensive traitline. The other is mostly defensive. The third traitline Burn guards run is also defensive. So one offensive, 2 defensive. Thats a good build. The build I was talking about was 3 offensive traitlines, full of modifiers that get deactivated easily. It was a bad build. > The goal of the Thief is to go in and do max damage and run . He is not a Brusser to stay with shadow Arts with 1 fear + 2k damage (because you dont like to restealth) You cant go full glass cannon though. Else you go in and die before you can run. You need a tiny bit of survivability too. Plus, utility. And I dont know why youre so hung up on it, but its not I dont like to restealth, its that every good thief knows not to go for in-combat stealth because its garbage. The only one that you might go for is healing restoration, mostly because its passive and you dont get a choice in the matter. But repeatedly showing you to be wrong, only for you to ignore it and continue saying wrong things undeterred is tiresome. Time to treat you the same as Burnfall, and laugh at your insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"UNOwen.7132" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Killthehealersffs.8940" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Psycoprophet.8107" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"cptaylor.2670" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But without condi damage the evade spammers and bunkers wouldn't get free wins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't have that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those evade spammers already have to out play u and hit u 10x for every one hit of urs so there's already a trade off due to the imbalances this game already suffers from without adding burning tics to those tanks they hit with consecutive tics each equaling a evade specs burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing like back stabbing a guard as it laughs and gives u a burn that matches ur burst or surpasses it each tic, u clear it and just get it reapplied while ur tickling the guard with ur 300-500 dagger auto lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop auto attacking and use your class apripriate skills :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a 5k Backstab (with assasin signet+shadow shyphoning+ Leaching poison) + then use 2 Shadowshots for 4500 ..then burn his 3500 remaining health (13.000 max hp) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/SxdyITA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like i see Enginners cry about the 250 Pistol Auto attack for 8 years :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You really are just so blinded by your anti-thief bias, you dont even notice how bad what youre describing is. Or how wrong. The burn guard doesnt have 13000 max hp. They have over 20000 hp. They have auto-aegis to block your attack, protection if their aegis is triggered, and several instant-cast heals. And thats to say nothing of their active blocks, or their active healing skill. Youll do not even a fraction of the damage youre describing. And you also forgot that by the time you get to hit 2 shadowshots, you got burst burned to death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swipe can bypass aegis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Istand cast heals , such as dodge>heal have been nerfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No Guard use the aegis>protection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Swipe bypasses aegis, that just means your next attack gets blocked, like, say, your backstab. Not a good idea. Not that that is surprising given how little you know about thief. You also only have the 1 backstab. Meditations are still instant cast ,and Monks Focus still makes them heal for quite a decent chunk. And theyre all instant cast. Also, hate to break it to ya, but burn guards do use the Valor traitline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any character coming in the meele range character HAVE THE DANGER TO BE NUKED BY AOES . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thief have tools with the Daredevil + Shadow arts to remove Burns , or choose another spec to have 45% damage redctuion :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No kitten, thats the point. Thief is not good when they can just get nuked by AoEs. And sure, thief can remove burn, but not as often as the guard can apply burn, and not fast enough to get rid of the first tick. Weve already gone over why your hypotehtical 45% damage reduction build is unplayable trash, but since you clearly dont know (again): That doesnt apply to condi damage. Only power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all , your mistake is that you wanna get some ''scores'' to sleep well . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot still understand if your parents raised you with ''sieze your democratic rights and dont care how rude you sound '' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or just myself , you grow up in different neimberhood , away from old friends and you lash out knowing you wont get punished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're rambling about random nonsense again. Also you shouldnt be surprised if people sound "rude" after you drain all their patience while ignoring that you have been proven wrong over and over. Dont want people to be rude? Accept when you are wrong and learn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis is removes from the next hit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that hit has unbrocable or not , it will disappear . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like the Basilisc poison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next hit ,regadles it is dissapears > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop talking about classes and skills you dont know or understand. When you hit an enemy with Aegis using an unblockable skill, the Aegis simply doesnt get consumed. It stays there. So Swipe ignores Aegis, and then your next attack gets hit by aegis. Now what you *might* be referring to is Bountiful Theft, since that one does rip Aegis at a high priority, but that also sometimes fails nowadays. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Smite Condition+ Judge's Intervention + Monk's Focus = 2800 heal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use Merciful Intervention , its 40 sec cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow Shot = 2300 on the heavy npc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he wants more healing , he must get a Power Anulet and not a Condition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you wont get to heal that often. But thats quite alright, you kill the thief long before he can get the chance to kill you. You have far more health, better armour, and do far more damage after all. Plus, the thieves shadowshots are pretty limited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ifyou let the Guardian to hit you 10 times > you dispel > then he hits you for another 10 hits without using a single dodge ....i am sorry about you :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he hits the thief for 10 burn stacks, the thief is close to dead and anything that hits him kills him. He cant dispel in time. Obviously this isnt a fight the thief should take, but its also a fight where the thief can die just as collateral. The risk you take when you go for melee bursts with poor burst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God gave you 3 dodges ...and a trait that removes Conditions on dodge + from the SA while steallth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wondered why almost noone using Escapists Fortitude anymore, even against heavy condi comps? Well, try it out, youll learn why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have some minor lacking in the knowleghe department > > > > > > > > > > > > Just ask me some questions , before you go round and round conversation with other (just like in Upkeep Rev trait 15% movement speed that stack with Swiftneess) and then you say it was a bug . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont, you do. But thats business as usual, isnt it? And as I said, the patch notes specifically pointed out that Rising Momentum is intended to stack with swiftness, and it did do that. If it no longer does, it is a bug. End of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aegis > 1st attack>disspaperas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unblockable attacks do not remove Aegis. I have already explained that. So most of the time, the result of that would be that your backstab gets eaten by an aegis. Unless it gets ripped by Bountiful Theft, but you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spents 2 utilites skills + 1 grandamster trait , that you simply counter it with casting a 2300 Shadow Shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its not like he picked that grandmaster trait for that specific scenario. Its just good in general. Sides, he negated most of your damage, and thief is very limited on damage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The guardian has a Condtion/Toughness Amuelts ... so the 10 attackswont do manjor attack . Activating the 1st Passive F1 burn does the damage . > > > > > > > > > > > > You can do more damag with less atacks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They play Carrion, not Rabid. You really need to stop talking about things that you dont know about. And their burn does an absurd amount of damage. They do far more damage than a thief does with far less investment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guardians is not heavy Condition spec ...he is not Necro ..And you are whining about Guardian now :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently, you dont know burn guardian. Then again, at this point I wonder if there is anything you *do* know outside of Ranger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trust me , dont be foolish . > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a loss and take a break :P > > > > > > > > > > > > You will sleep better at night :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to be condescending doesnt even work when you actually know what youre talking about. It works even less if youve made clear you have not the faintest clue what youre talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rising Momentum isnt intented to stack with Swiftness . > > > > > > > > > > Its a trait just like Warrior' 25% movement speed while they hold meele weapons ... so they don need to depent on swiftness :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Wrong as always](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/53000/game-update-notes-august-28-2018#latest). > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go in the PvP area > use your Ranger > cast 6 sec unbrocable and then Rapid Fire (Longbow 2)> hit for 6-7 times in a lifespan of 2 sec > then come to me and tell me the results , if after the full Rapid Fire duration , that the Aegis persist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does. Well, the permanent one from the Virtue, the others might just run out of duration. As I said, dont talk about things you do not know about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again 1 simply attack (Shadow Shot) , countered 2 ultilties+ 1 grandmaster ... so he wasted option and he didnt took the inteded MORE HEAL you proclaimed :pensive: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its funny that you think the meditations have no other effects outside of procing that trait. And by funny I mean sad. Its also funny that you think that he "wasted that heal" when it negated most of the thieves damage, with the thief quickly running out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he Took Carrior he doesnt have Toughness , so you will do more damage with all spells . even 7k with backstab+ leaching+sphonic+ 3k from shadow shot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did I tell you about not talking about things you dont know? The damage you listed was accurate for Carrion. With Toughness, it would do even less. You will not get anywhere close to 7k with a backstab on a Rabid Guardian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said that the dodge trait that removed dots , is useless on Burn Guadian .. ia m atelling you again he is not Necro or Mesmer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh its not useless on guardian, its just generally not worth it. Against a burn guardian, ignoring for a second that one tick will hit you, he can just stow weapons after doing the instant burst and suddenly that trait does absolutely nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consendening , i really love o argue with ppl. > > > > > > > > > > I am just trying to seen as a good guy and give you an option , so the Mod dont ban me :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And all youre showing is that you talk about things you clearly dont know, and really shouldnt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect stacks with other minnor effect (5% movement speed on WvWvW or 15% on PvE boosters) , not with actual buff like Swiftneess > > > > > > > > Effects that provide a bonus to movement speed (e.g. swiftness) do not stack; only the highest increase in movement speed will be applied. > > > > > > > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rising_Momentum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with **all** other movement speed increases.". All includes swiftness. As I said, that is how it worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virtue and from the weapons are the same > > > > > > > > On next hit , if is unblocable or not , it still deperse > > > > > > > > Go in the mist and showme the results with the Ranger :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure why you hope that repeating the same wrong thing will make it true. It will not. Aegis is removed once an attack is blocked. Unblockable attacks are not blocked. The Aegis remains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 shots negates his HUGE HEALING you where proclai,ming > > > > > > > > If you get hit 10 times and you proc the Burn and you didnt dodge + use the remove dots on evades ...i cannot comment you on your skill vlv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said it was huge healing. I said it was healing. I also said that you were wrong about their HP, and a few other things. You also seem to be unaware that Guardians burst is instant and undodgable. Then again, you are wrong about just about every single thing you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If he has Carrior you will do 8k > > > > > > > > If he has Rabit , then you will do 5k AND HIS 10 ATTACKS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUTA , WILL NOT DO DAMAGE :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, if youre going to lie at least keep your kitten story straight. You just said it was 7k, now its 8k? For anyone who isnt sure just how wrong this guy (as always) is: The highest you can get with an active assassins signet (which is not really used much anymore), which includes active Scholar and so on, is about 5800. That is including both of the leeching traits. If he has Rabid? About 4000. Youre also still wrong about burn damage, but thats not surprising. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to showcase to the otherr ppl in the community ,how a person that make posts over posts ...can still dont know his class or how things work :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest. Shockingly, since you dont know how unblockable and Aegis interact, apparently that includes your own class. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Since it was release it would EVER work with switness . > > > > > > When the Runes of ''something '' was eleased with 66% movement speed , the comminity was easy to spot the advantage and it was removed :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im assuming you got the word wrong, but yes, it worked with all movement speed increases including Swiftness. That was the point. If it doesnt work right now, its bugged. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Install OCB , (videoprogram) and show me the 6 sec unbrocable Ranger Rapid Fire ...not destroying the aegis ..i wait :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Yeah sorry i dont buy the theory instant and undodgable . > > > > > > Because dodging all the attack , doesnt apply the Burn from the 1st Virtue > > > > > > Remember Guardian must push 6-7 bottuns ... and when you cleanse their burn , they have 8-10 cd in most attacks + their weapon switch is on cd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... you really dont have a clue, do you? What am I saying, of course you dont. Something as simple as Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue, which is all instant and all hits at once is too difficult for you to get. Then again you also think that Guardian needs to press "6-7 buttons" (3, or 2, actually). Just another thing to throw onto the "pile of things you got completely wrong". > > > > > > > > > > > 4) There are ppl that managed 8700 in the pvp scenario > > > > > > In WvW , its more like 9k -13K with or without the Assasin Signet :P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using an unplayable build that pushed damage to the max. And even then, only before Assassins Signet got nerfed. On a light class. So no, they havent shown that at all. Also I see a cherry-picked video with a bad build on squishy non-heavy armour targets. Oh my god, youre a Burnfall alt. That explains so much. > > > > > > > > > > > 5) The only thing youre "showcasing" is that you keep talking about things you dont know or understand in the slightest > > > > > > > > > > Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > > > > > > > 1) It didnt ever work with Swiftness .That was the point. > > > > > > It did. Wrong as usual. [Here](https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/85226/rising-momentum-impossible-odds) you have some people talking about it. > > > > > > > 2)Why would I waste effort on trying to show you evidence youre going to ignore anyway? Go do it yourself, you may learn something yet. > > > > > > Good grief, you really are a child. > > > > > > > 3)Zealots Flame + Intervention + Virtue , did 10k burn ? kitten son , your maths are rad > > > > > > Where did you get 10k burn from? Usually when you make up a lie I can at least guess what you gleaned it from, but this time Im legitimately stumped. > > > > > > > 4) Fixed a bug that caused this signet to grant its old bonus damage increase in addition to the bonus power.March 17, 2020 > > > > Video 04/04/2020 > > > > > > You need to improve your reading comprehension. The first part was talking about sPvP, not the video. The video was using a bad build that pushes damage to the max. But hey, not surprising, we know youre not big on accuracy. > > > > > > > 5)Parroting things like a child. Your idea of a "smart comeback" I take it? That too explains a lot. > > > > > > You just legitimately are a child, arent you? That, and/or a burnfall alt. Either way, what you say is so thoroughly and inevitably wrong, that there is no point but to just remind you, and everyone else, that you are always wrong. And talk about classes you dont know. Classes who you hate so much, youre willing to lie about them. > > > > 1) Read the thread too > > Its not like 15% + 33% swiftness = 48% speed, where Revs can catch easily thiefs > > > > Actually, it is exactly that. Well, either that or they stack multiplicatively. I didnt look that carefully when I tested. > > > 2) And show me some video > > > > Nah. Its more effective if you learn that you were wrong through your own hands. > > > 3) So if 3 attacks doesnt give you 10k burns (as you whined) , then the Guardian need MORE ATTACKS. So its not instant and undodgable as you said > > > > Noone talked about 10k burn here, did they? 10k burn is also doable in an undogable version, but that requires a bit more, and I cant be bothered to look up what that combo looks like exactly. Sides, even if its just 6k-8k instant burn, thats still guaranteed damage you take, and then you have to hope that they dont ever tag you with burn again, or you die. > > > 4) So gaurdians that not choose to more than needed defenisve traits , and opt to get an offensive ones for extra Burn is a bad build ? > > There are only 2 traitlines that interact with burning. One is an offensive traitline. The other is mostly defensive. The third traitline Burn guards run is also defensive. So one offensive, 2 defensive. Thats a good build. The build I was talking about was 3 offensive traitlines, full of modifiers that get deactivated easily. It was a bad build. > > > The goal of the Thief is to go in and do max damage and run . He is not a Brusser to stay with shadow Arts with 1 fear + 2k damage (because you dont like to restealth) > > You cant go full glass cannon though. Else you go in and die before you can run. You need a tiny bit of survivability too. Plus, utility. And I dont know why youre so hung up on it, but its not I dont like to restealth, its that every good thief knows not to go for in-combat stealth because its garbage. The only one that you might go for is healing restoration, mostly because its passive and you dont get a choice in the matter. > > But repeatedly showing you to be wrong, only for you to ignore it and continue saying wrong things undeterred is tiresome. Time to treat you the same as Burnfall, and laugh at your insanity. 1) Its called.. ''hard cap'' . We talk about it when we bicker a while too . 2) Show me a video with 6secunbrocable Rapid Fire , not destroyiing Guardian aegis. 3) 6-8kburn , how many stack it is ? How many attacks he did ? 4) Daredevil with 20% reduction is not exaclty an offensive one . He used Trickery for the Lead Attacks and he used SA with the leach+syphon 5) If you dont spec for full offence , then you are classified as Brusser ..not an assasin 6) But repeatedly showing you to be wrong, only for you to ignore it and continue saying wrong things undeterred is tiresome. Time to treat you the same as Burnfall, and laugh at your insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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