LetoII.3782 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 How does looking for fights jive with rolling around in a massive lag inducing boon ball? The game barely even functions in that state yet people claim to be doing it for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWI.4127 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > @"SWI.4127" said: > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > Uhhh no. Having a population that is actually balanced with everyone else is "dragging you down". Going from full bandwaggon server + very high link to full + medium (as it should be). Now that you don't have twice the population as most servers, it's no longer easy KDR and perma T1. It's okay, it happens. Most players here have been around long enough to see plenty of bandwaggons and it was predictable. > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. > > > > Nobody hates SBI. Nobody even cares lol. Like I said people have seen this pattern so many times now. Bandwaggon happens, server and link gets super stacked (because host server is full). Relinks happen and the bandwaggon's population is finally balanced. Bandwaggon moves on to the next flavor of the month server. > > It looks balanced on paper. Until you realize that EB was made a medium server from being SBIs alt server. Make a free account and put it on EB so you can see for yourself. I think you'll see things a little differently. Population is based on play-hours. So if they weren't playing those alts very often, it has little bearing on population. Besides, there is nothing lower than medium population so I'm not sure what your point is. #1 or 2 population gets the smallest or second-smallest link. That's literally population balance. Now that populations are balanced, SBI falls. Like I said it's a pattern many here have seen time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > How does looking for fights jive with rolling around in a massive lag inducing boon ball? > > The game barely even functions in that state yet people claim to be doing it for fun. > > No one wants fair fights man. They look for fights they can win or smaller forces they can steamroll. just like if you one of those hunt diamond pew pewers you never alone and do the same thing on a smaller scale. And we never leave SMC, we always cheese, there isn't 3 members dueling 75% of the time they're online and we always have a blob right around the corner from us, at least flesh the list out. We both know very well what Indo's blob is up to. They want to win, but monoblobbing is a terrible way to accomplish anything scorewise. If they really wanted fights they'd find far more groups at half their size. To say they want fights in lag with nearly no groups that can match their size is laughable. That's not MY issue, it's the lag. Is not dying _really_ worth the terrible gaming experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"SWI.4127" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"SWI.4127" said: > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > Uhhh no. Having a population that is actually balanced with everyone else is "dragging you down". Going from full bandwaggon server + very high link to full + medium (as it should be). Now that you don't have twice the population as most servers, it's no longer easy KDR and perma T1. It's okay, it happens. Most players here have been around long enough to see plenty of bandwaggons and it was predictable. > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. > > > > > > Nobody hates SBI. Nobody even cares lol. Like I said people have seen this pattern so many times now. Bandwaggon happens, server and link gets super stacked (because host server is full). Relinks happen and the bandwaggon's population is finally balanced. Bandwaggon moves on to the next flavor of the month server. > > > > It looks balanced on paper. Until you realize that EB was made a medium server from being SBIs alt server. Make a free account and put it on EB so you can see for yourself. I think you'll see things a little differently. > > Population is based on play-hours. So if they weren't playing those alts very often, it has little bearing on population. Besides, there is nothing lower than medium population so I'm not sure what your point is. #1 or 2 population gets the smallest or second-smallest link. That's literally population balance. Now that populations are balanced, SBI falls. Like I said it's a pattern many here have seen time and time again. Time was split pretty evenly among the three servers TpW is on. They don't exactly "main" a server, main basically just means where reset is. There will be weeks where SBI is their least played server of the three. Like I said, go make a free account, put it on EB, and check balance for yourself. Don't take my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > > > > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime > > > > > > > > Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. > > > > > > > > Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. > > > > > > Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. > > > > I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. > > > > We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. > > > > No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. > > If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWI.4127 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > Time was split pretty evenly among the three servers TpW is on. They don't exactly "main" a server, main basically just means where reset is. There will be weeks where SBI is their least played server of the three. > > Like I said, go make a free account, put it on EB, and check balance for yourself. Don't take my word for it. Good for TpW. I'm not making an alt to confirm anything lol. I was on SBI for years, I have no desire to go back. The point is that SBI now has an appropriately-sized link rather than a very high link and now they have much lower KDR and PPT. Population carries in this game mode so if you really think SBI is a fight server when they had double the population as most servers for 4 months, then you just aren't seeing the point many people are making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"SWI.4127" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > Time was split pretty evenly among the three servers TpW is on. They don't exactly "main" a server, main basically just means where reset is. There will be weeks where SBI is their least played server of the three. > > > > Like I said, go make a free account, put it on EB, and check balance for yourself. Don't take my word for it. > > Good for TpW. I'm not making an alt to confirm anything lol. I was on SBI for years, I have no desire to go back. The point is that SBI now has an appropriately-sized link rather than a very high link and now they have much lower KDR and PPT. Population carries in this game mode so if you really think SBI is a fight server when they had double the population as most servers for 4 months, then you just aren't seeing the point many people are making. Kk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > @"SWI.4127" said: > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > Time was split pretty evenly among the three servers TpW is on. They don't exactly "main" a server, main basically just means where reset is. There will be weeks where SBI is their least played server of the three. > > > > > > Like I said, go make a free account, put it on EB, and check balance for yourself. Don't take my word for it. > > > > Good for TpW. I'm not making an alt to confirm anything lol. I was on SBI for years, I have no desire to go back. The point is that SBI now has an appropriately-sized link rather than a very high link and now they have much lower KDR and PPT. Population carries in this game mode so if you really think SBI is a fight server when they had double the population as most servers for 4 months, then you just aren't seeing the point many people are making. > > Kk NA t1 is pure ktrain vs empty map or small groups, think i saw tpw there if not in mistake(m8 be a similiar tag :\). Lat week T1 NA totally felt EOTM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. Indo's marathon barely managed to catch them up. 115/116/117 with SoS about to go to sleep in their upside down beds and Indo at work :( ..for the people that care about score naturally, not me <,< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Aeolus.3615" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"SWI.4127" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > Time was split pretty evenly among the three servers TpW is on. They don't exactly "main" a server, main basically just means where reset is. There will be weeks where SBI is their least played server of the three. > > > > > > > > Like I said, go make a free account, put it on EB, and check balance for yourself. Don't take my word for it. > > > > > > Good for TpW. I'm not making an alt to confirm anything lol. I was on SBI for years, I have no desire to go back. The point is that SBI now has an appropriately-sized link rather than a very high link and now they have much lower KDR and PPT. Population carries in this game mode so if you really think SBI is a fight server when they had double the population as most servers for 4 months, then you just aren't seeing the point many people are making. > > > > Kk > > NA t1 is pure ktrain vs empty map or small groups, think i saw tpw there if not in mistake(m8 be a similiar tag :\). > > Lat week T1 NA totally felt EOTM... It was probably a fake guild. Check the name if you see it again, most likely someone trying to make fun of Indo. TpW doesn't have any alts on any of those servers ATM. But yeah, it's two pure PPT servers and BG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. > > > > > > > > > > Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. > > > > > > > > I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. > > > > > > > > We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. > > > > > > > > No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. > > > > > > If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered > > > > If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. > > > > But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. > > You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. > > > > Indo's marathon barely managed to catch them up. > > 115/116/117 with SoS about to go to sleep in their upside down beds and Indo at work :( > > ..for the people that care about score naturally, not me <,< > > When does indo play? I assumed it was NA prime not rocking a huge sea timezone zerg or maybe he just 16 hour marathons and is the reincarnation of DK I think was his name years ago. East coast timezone employed adult. Extrapolate from there. That DK guy was basement-dweller level xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered > > > > > > > > If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. > > > > > > > > But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. > > > > > > You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. > > > > You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. > > > > Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. > > > > You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. > > No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate. > And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there. Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. Yeah they run about 20. I don't run with them, so I don't know their inner workings, but we will fight on BLs beside them with EK. DOG has no organization. It's basically all pugs and a couple that have tags that will sometimes use them to group other pugs into one area. I don't say this as a negative thing, I like the DOG boys and girls just fine, but they aren't a guild the same way Sin is. They mainly just run around EBG as solos. Except not really. TpW broke off into two groups to try and spread Mag out to be more manageable, but no one was PPTing. That was farming. We spent like almost 2 hours just fighting in front of SMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knite.1542 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 I think fight server just means bandwagon server. And no one ever wants to win once they stop winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > Except not really. TpW broke off into two groups to try and spread Mag out to be more manageable, but no one was PPTing. That was farming. We spent like almost 2 hours just fighting in front of SMC. Is it really farming when you end up negative kdr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiri.4257 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The legendary Indo does not play. The game plays the legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered > > > > > > > > > > > > If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. > > > > > > > > > > You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. > > > > > > > > You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. > > > > > > > > Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. > > > > > > > > You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. > > > > > > No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate. > > > And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there. > > > > Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. > > > And right here is take this advice yourself. The only reason I ever said anything to you is you initial BG is dodging us Hod uses siege. Just because you play a certain way doesn't mean servers have to play your style. If you want to be a fite server be one but don't state "facts" of why you drop tiers and shift blame to links. You either adjust if winning matters or lose to someone with a .7 going but but we won all the fites We aren't telling them to play a certain way. Again, you want me to be saying something I'm not. I'm saying us dropping out of T1 wasn't a problem for anyone, because the content was not fun. It's not about what I want the server to be about, it's about what the commanders are looking to accomplish when commanding. PPT is not their goal. No one cares about who wins a skirmish. You get literally nothing for it. T1, T4, T whatever makes literally no difference in anything. We care about fights, if the fights are boring, not there, or against a server who builds 30 ACs in open fields, then we don't care if we can't partake in them. I don't get why you keep lecturing me about winning and how to win. Again, SBI is currently full of veterans who have been playing since launch. Big names in WvW. They know how to win skirmishes. There's a reason they don't. Stop lecturing me about it. If you don't like me explaining the inner politics to people asking, here's a tip: Don't read my posts. We don't need your advice, we aren't trying to T1. We already know how to PPT if we wanted. You absolutely do not need to respond to me, so feel free to not do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"LetoII.3782" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > Except not really. TpW broke off into two groups to try and spread Mag out to be more manageable, but no one was PPTing. That was farming. We spent like almost 2 hours just fighting in front of SMC. > > Is it really farming when you end up negative kdr? Well considering that skirmish had mag at something like .3, and us close to 3, yeah, it's farming. When Mags commanders are basically begging people to get out of the field cause they are ruining their KDR for the match, yeah, it's farming. When a single 1 hour bout drops your overall KDR by .5, yeah, it's farming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 To clarify matters, Sin is actually a nodes guild; we break into structures to farm nodes, and Dog-- I dunno-- but they're always there to repair SMC walls. God Bless. Thank you for your understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Its high time Anet decides to use KDR with Victory Points to decide who goes 1 up and 1 down so that some of these tanking servers stop hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Oi for those who want to avoid mag, shame on you. I always look forward to seeing mag or fighting mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > Mags commanders Whoops! You got caught. I suppose Indo logged out after an hour because he got tired of all the winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > Oh and the perfect fite server storm is brewing. If you guys stay t3 and FA moves up and AR moves down you will get the SBI FA AR match. Now if you move up and nsp stays then NSP SBI TC won't be so fite server at all Think in terms of popultion SBI m8 have way more than us :\ If we fight against sbi will be outmaned. > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > Oi for those who want to avoid mag, shame on you. I always look forward to seeing mag or fighting mag. lol, i just wish we had more stable population i would not mind fight any server xD. One can avoid maguma while fihting maguma just dont get cought by the zergish croups hiding in smc with the siege go roam somehwere else xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakan Buuyon.8576 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Rakan Buuyon.8576" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @"Vephar.8475" said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. I'm on SBI and being linked with EB is dragging us down. EB has zero PPTers so we're dropping to T3 most likely. I miss you, FC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah maybe stop acting like you a fight sever then and do some ppt instead of hoping the server you get linked with will. I mean if fighting Mag this week doesn't show you how far from a fight server you are the idk what will. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is we just don't have the people for PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I get it, we the big bad boogie mans. Indo came to town and put BG in their place, so now everyone has something to prove. However, the people that joined Indo on SBI, didn't really join to make SBI T1, or the best, or anything server pride related. They joined to play with Indo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indo plays on three servers. SBI, FSP, and most importantly, EB. Our link ATM is, wait for it.... EB. That means that EB is effectively a dead server right now, since their "on paper" numbers are something like 50+ higher than they actually are. We get no coverage from EB, because that coverage is just SBI players in the first place. You need to keep in mind SBI was also a dead server before Indo came here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order for us to PPT when the main bulk of the server isn't playing on SBI, we need something to fill the gaps. We don't have that with this link. We are generally outnumbered on EBG and the BLs outside of NA prime, where the other servers have at least something of a force. Last week was effectively TC sending a map queue to our keep, while 10 roamers held them off, from like 12am to about when Indo got back on. We have just enough people to half focus on not losing absolutely everything on one map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, your comment is logically incorrect. If we are a fight server, what the kitten does that have to do with PPT? Look at T1 right now, it's HoD and TC getting farmed by BG. Does that make them fight servers now? People who get one pushed and can't keep a positive KDR? We aren't in T3 cause we lost fights, we are in T3 cause we couldn't PPT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listen dude Sbi was a bandwagon not a big bad boogie man. You got to stack and win for a bit no biggie happens 15 times over and over but the instant you start losing it was our links fault or this server dodging our zergs so yeah it just sounded sad. Then you were like but but our k/d so we a fight server not a ppt. You don't have to be a fight server to have a high K/d there are many ways making it absolutely no bearing on if you are good or not. Like Mag loses sometimes with a 1.6 or BG keeps there high cause night capping then good even coverage the rest of the day allowing them to defend t3 stuff and they also don't push yolo into garrys and ebg keeps putting a dent in it. Mag completely abandons their bl and farms 20 feet from smc all day again so K/D means nothing for the most part. Now you say you put BG in it's place I guess you mean BG w/o a link while you had one and were like 1st 2nd 3rd 1st 3rd in hours for the 5 timezones. Well done. No one even thinks of SBI I just don't like a 4 month bandwagon who then falls complaining over why you dropping tiers and only blames thier new link while they run around with a .8 k/d going but but ebay isn't ppt for us so now we losing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny hearing BG call another server a bandwagon, that's gold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not blaming or complaining. I'm telling you how it is. Indo doesn't PPT, he wants fights. EK looks for fights. EP hardly even captures things, and mainly stays in the open fields. I don't know the inner workings of Sin, but it doesn't seem like they make much of an effort to PPT either. Dog is more of a SBI guild rather than something organized, and mainly only tags up to get roamers together. There you have it. You have basically all the guilds on SBI, and anything near organized is generally out looking exclusively for fights. EB has nothing to offer, because they are more dead than SBI was until Indo came back, and SBI was dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can talk all you want, we hit keeps. Don't you remember? You guys made a post here about just how unfair it was when we took and held your EBG keep. We don't shy away from them. The commanders we have are all veteran fight commanders. I know, you're sad cause they left BG, but it doesn't change the fact that these commanders focus on fights, not PPT, for a couple hours a night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, not complaining. It is how it is. No one's leaving the server, so I don't mind a bad link. Just if next time, come up with better excuses than some conspiracies about Anet employees and favoritism if we beat you again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not Bg never have been just addressing the put BG in their place. Like everything you say is complaining but you say your not complaining. You just brought up how you are outnumbered like over the past couple months the other server weren't outnumbered by you. Maybe BG can borrow all your excuses the next thread they make. Don't worry you tech can't lose in t4 so the steak will end but to help you out to beat mag stay out of ebg and take their BL esp at NA prime > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, it's not complaining. It's what it is. Saying facts are not complaining. I'm not all that bothered by it, it's just what it is. People wanted to know why we where losing, and I said why. Complaining would be saying it negatively or wanting some change, I'm just saying what's going on. We have a couple hours during NA with coverage, we lost our PPT guilds with the link, and we are linked with ourselves, those are the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, why dodge NA prime? That's when SBI is active. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only cause you losing. Now you will lose to sos just because they nightcap you if you weak during the night/morning now Mag usually grabs smc and just farms the side that puts up a resistance or shows a zerg while allowing their entire BL to get capped and if you chose upgraded. You almost never earn positive points going zerg vs zerg against them. Maybe you guys can at that time but if you can't you gain way more off their BL then they can even farming ebg. Just advice as you need to adjust if winning matters so these excuses that are facts not complaining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I keep telling you no one cares about winning. You don't think Indo knows how to lock down a T1 victory? It would require calling people to PPT all day every day, and that's not what he's about. That's why it's not done. It's why he has multiple alts. He, like the other commanders we have, want fights, if there's none on SBI, then they swap to EU or their NA2 accounts. Everyone knows we need PPT and coverage if we want to stay up in the tiers, but no one joined this server to make SBI T1. Again, it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We go positive on Mag fights with our commanders, but that's not saying much. It's to be expected, and what should happen. Mag doesn't really have commanders, just lots of people playing on their own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one's looking for advice on how to T1, no one's complaining about not being T1. Again, I'm just explaining to people who accuse us of intentionally tanking, dodging, or are just pain curious to what's going on, as to what's going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't care about winning and yes it's true most of us don't then no need to explain why you are dropping. Just be like AR Mag FA and say we looking for fites while avoiding server just like them. Just like AR tanked last day last week to stay in T2 as TC who has no business in T1 got played and how you see fight servers seem to try their best to drop into different tiers to farm weaker servers. Like right now if you cared about fights there is no way in hell you want to drop this week into t4. You want to stay in T3 and get FA next week and go toe to toe with them just like you say you are vs Mag but I can't confirm as no alts in t3. If fight server ie AR FA Mag and now you really wanted fights you'd try like hell to get into the same tier not find ways to avoid each other. Not you yet but kitten AR got last second tank mastered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If people ask questions that I have the answer to, I'll answer them. It's not tanking or dodging, it's just no PPT. Simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But why would we avoid fights when we want fights? You're putting this weird ego into my words that simply isn't there. You want me to be saying something that I'm not. Every commander on the server wants fights, not PPT. That's all it is. We aren't avoiding anyone. Indo is always looking for the enemy zerg, the smaller groups are always looking for enemy groups bigger than ours. I don't know where you are getting this idea that anyone is avoiding anyone. We aren't jumping maps to avoid zergs, we aren't shying from map queues. This is all made up by you, those are actively things the commanders are looking for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't seem to be able to separate when I talk about what other fight servers do and you even when I write their 3 names you still take it as you and your server so I'm good. I have no idea what you guys consistently do because you are the new bandwagon. You had a couple guilds were med pop then exploded to full with the smallest link because you were so full. I also think you must be parroting this thread to your discord as inspiration because you guys working overtime to ppt now. I'm not Mag btw and def won't feel sorry for them if you are so have fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep saying we should avoid Mag and what we should do if we want to win. Everyone knows what to do if we want to win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, no, none of our guilds changed. People joined for Indo, not for SBI. DOG and Sin are SBIs guilds, DOG is more of a SBI social guild, they don't run organized groups and mostly just tag up to group pugs together to hit an objective real quick and tag down. Sin runs small mainly in borderlands, which is still exactly what they do. Yeah, Gis brought back EK now, but he came with Indo. EK generally runs 15-20 people, hard to call that massive either. The only big guild we have is TpW. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can jump right into TpW Discord and check for yourself. No one's talking about this thread. We had a bad reset, and a good weekend, still no focus on PPT, we just aren't getting hit with map queues swarming our stuff 24/7. > > > > > > > > > > No, I didn't say avoid Mag I said the easiest way to beat Mag is not playing in EBG fighting them because they leave their BL undefended. Sin runs 20 plus easy and yeah they usually go off on their own and were there before this population jump from again med to way full you get the smallest link. Dog struck me more as a annoying mid sized havoc group no idea if that's accurate. > > > > > And the using this thread as inspiration was a joke as you ppt hard yesterday but you are the type that needs to address everything so it's my fault for throwing that in there. > > > > > > > > Again, we know how to beat them. Just cause we know how to be T1, doesn't mean that's how we want to play. > > > > > > > And right here is take this advice yourself. The only reason I ever said anything to you is you initial BG is dodging us Hod uses siege. Just because you play a certain way doesn't mean servers have to play your style. If you want to be a fite server be one but don't state "facts" of why you drop tiers and shift blame to links. You either adjust if winning matters or lose to someone with a .7 going but but we won all the fites > > > > We aren't telling them to play a certain way. Again, you want me to be saying something I'm not. I'm saying us dropping out of T1 wasn't a problem for anyone, because the content was not fun. It's not about what I want the server to be about, it's about what the commanders are looking to accomplish when commanding. PPT is not their goal. > > > > No one cares about who wins a skirmish. You get literally nothing for it. T1, T4, T whatever makes literally no difference in anything. We care about fights, if the fights are boring, not there, or against a server who builds 30 ACs in open fields, then we don't care if we can't partake in them. > > > > I don't get why you keep lecturing me about winning and how to win. Again, SBI is currently full of veterans who have been playing since launch. Big names in WvW. They know how to win skirmishes. There's a reason they don't. Stop lecturing me about it. > > > > If you don't like me explaining the inner politics to people asking, here's a tip: Don't read my posts. We don't need your advice, we aren't trying to T1. We already know how to PPT if we wanted. You absolutely do not need to respond to me, so feel free to not do that. > > I didn't lecture you once. You are just full of excuses and blame and quite frankly whiney and repetitive. You say stuff then ask questions why avoid Mag etc so I answered. You brag of farming mag like it was you while still rocking a .9 with an sos that is good at nitecapping but not good fighters. I will no longer respond to your posts and again take your own advice and don't respond to mine instead of throwing a tantrum You time and time again keep telling me what we need to do to win, when I said that's not the commanders goals. They know what to do. There's no excuses or blame. If your car caught fire and people went "omg why did you burn down your own car" is it blame and excuses to go "turns out there was a recall regarding the fuel injectors that I didn't know about"? Again you keep putting this meaning behind my words that aren't there. I'm bored, that's why I'm responding. You are the one who sees it as some massive problem because you want me to be saying something I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWI.4127 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > @"Aeolus.3615" said: > > > @"Jayden Reese.9542" said: > > > Oh and the perfect fite server storm is brewing. If you guys stay t3 and FA moves up and AR moves down you will get the SBI FA AR match. Now if you move up and nsp stays then NSP SBI TC won't be so fite server at all > > > > Think in terms of popultion SBI m8 have way more than us :\ > > If we fight against sbi will be outmaned. > > > > > @"Sovereign.1093" said: > > > Oi for those who want to avoid mag, shame on you. I always look forward to seeing mag or fighting mag. > > > > lol, i just wish we had more stable population i would not mind fight any server xD. > > One can avoid maguma while fihting maguma just dont get cought by the zergish croups hiding in smc with the siege go roam somehwere else xD > > They do but FC should have more then Ebay but you are still probably right. I mean Anet never hooks NSP up like with a full server. We barely VH with a high while you got full JQ and VH BP or other similar things happen every link. > And to Sov I only say avoid Mag at NA prime not que up EBG and go zerg to zerg as they usually win that and control t3 smc. BP was high when relinks happened. Not sure why it just went very high, maybe bandwaggoners. Also BP was linked to NSP the link before last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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