Sprymazi.6472 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 So this is nothing new, the good old core necro, trailblazer, condi immortal faceroll necro. But now when people have started perfecting them they have become a real problem. It's got extremely high condi dmg, high condi duration, they can re-apply them with ez, they take virtually no damage at all and it doesn't matter if you rotate your interrupts on a Korean Tekken player level, they can just stand there and tank the damage while stunned or dazed. And if you manage to get them low enough they have a full 30k bar of shroud, that they use to recharge their health with vampirism and life steal. And then the cycle continues, full shroud -> full health -> full shroud -> full health. It can be countered if you play like an extreme coward and out of combat constantly or play a build specifically for taking down this exact build, but then again, they can just kite you to nearest tower if they see they are losing. Inb4 "Use resistance LUL". Yeah you will need 1 minute of resistance if you wanna take them down since re applying condis after a cleanse is a peace of cake. What to do about it? I don't know, I think the problem lies with trailblazer being a thing that gives extreme tankiness and all the damage a condi class needs. But arena net already hard nerfed mirage and other condi builds so trailblazer for them is the only way to at least relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Wait, wait... are you saying it can be killed if you bring something that counter it? *That's illegal!* I also find it hilarious that after you are pretty much on the spot that it's the health regen and shroud regen that's causing this specific necro build to be OP, then go on to scattershot it away with a generic "the problem lies with trailblazer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprymazi.6472 Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 Well trailblazer is a smaller problem than the built itself, but trailblazer is still a problem. The whole trailblazer saga could perhaps have been ranted about in another thread, it can't be ignored though the synergy it applies to this build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuhDah.9812 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 yeap I've seen these nasty fellows more often in wvw lately. I just need to not get too carried away and leave while I still can. Their shroud uptime is insane :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Mind you I havent come across this peticular player's necro, however in general 1v1 my condi teef distapched em. Ranger is 50/50...depends on how fast they do certain things and my DPS mirage...as long as I can avoid big condi burst, im usually ok. gotta time cc's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyOrion.9506 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Us Ranger's just love shooting you off the side of a cliff at Hills is all. Although we have more fun with destroying any class that stand near a ledge in Edge of the Mist. Including those pesky necromancers, scourges and other what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knite.1542 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Man said rotate on a Korean tekken player level. Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunkamania.7561 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 It's ok it's only roaming. Not a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 These guys are food for me on my DE. I do think the life force gain needs a nerf,as i do notice on warri it can be a bit excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Let the meme build be, seriously. We need more build variety, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokriphos.7042 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Comparing low mobility solo roam necro builds like these to the far more prevalent Nade Holo/Scrapper, Condi Rev, Bunker Ele, Stealth Root Druid, Condi Thief and so far, it falls far below those meta roamers. It sounds like your build got paper/rock/scissored. Conditions in general can be almost completely nullified by easy use of any of several runesets and sigils. If you dislike this build, play any of the number of counters, as many previous responses have said. Additionally, I recommend playing said class/build and seeing how it works. I suspect once you do you will find it is rather easily countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 So basic necro build that miss all damage skills like epidemic, wells and sand swell and have most of necro problems? He can't remove condis well if enemys know how to dodge, all his skills are easy to interrupt, you can ping bong him around, slow like snail and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Elemenatlist /wave at 'Immortal' Necromancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 It's simple: trailblazer signet core necro is at the upper end of sustain and is hardcounterd by the upper end of damage (any marauder build with damage traitlines and sigil of cleansing). Fun fact: trailblazer signet condi reaper beats it too (but itself has a lot of counters) - it can even overwhelm the death magic + antitoxin variant. > they have a full 30k bar of shroud It's 17k without soul reaping, 20k with soul reaping and 22k with soul reaping and vita rune. Trailblazer has vita as minor attribute. For a 30k shroud you need vita as major attribute, a vita rune and the vita trait in soul reaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dceptaconroy.7928 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 > @"Burnfall.9573" said: > Elemenatlist /wave at 'Immortal' Necromancer > > Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Feel like yet another condi hate thread. It's even more true knowing that the necromancer have the longest ramp up out of all professions when it come to condition damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare.5129 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 don't see any problem. On wvw blob wins vs few people, on spvp we have mmr system. So if someone like that - use and be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago: Me in full ascended trailblazer, no vulnerability against Holo + Mesmer out of stealth Overheat: 13.600 damage Mind Wrack: 5.500 damage and some trash damage Result: instant kill End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.3871 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 > @"Sprymazi.6472" said: > So this is nothing new, the good old core necro, trailblazer, condi immortal faceroll necro. But now when people have started perfecting them they have become a real problem. It's got extremely high condi dmg, high condi duration, they can re-apply them with ez, they take virtually no damage at all and it doesn't matter if you rotate your interrupts on a Korean Tekken player level, they can just stand there and tank the damage while stunned or dazed. And if you manage to get them low enough they have a full 30k bar of shroud, that they use to recharge their health with vampirism and life steal. And then the cycle continues, full shroud -> full health -> full shroud -> full health. > > It can be countered if you play like an extreme coward and out of combat constantly or play a build specifically for taking down this exact build, but then again, they can just kite you to nearest tower if they see they are losing. > > Inb4 "Use resistance LUL". Yeah you will need 1 minute of resistance if you wanna take them down since re applying condis after a cleanse is a peace of cake. > > > > What to do about it? I don't know, I think the problem lies with trailblazer being a thing that gives extreme tankiness and all the damage a condi class needs. But arena net already hard nerfed mirage and other condi builds so trailblazer for them is the only way to at least relevant. omg you made my day xD. this video was obviously made as a joke with a joke build. this guy is even playing with race skill to disengage. in real fight vs non-bot player its useless. god, why are all this eotm main players always thinking they can judge about balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimon.7840 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Lol. Anything looks op with bad enemies. Just check out my core power necro video. I think the first 2 minutes I watched there wasn't a single hard cc thrown at the necro player. Before they nerf core nec, they have to do a lot of work on other classes. Thief is still by far the most op roamer in wvw, followed by ranger, engi and rev. And guess what, all 4 of these have one tool to deal with every single necro player: Running away. If you really want to annoy and frustrate a necro player, fight him, disengage. There's absolutely no fun if there's noone that you can kill. Also compared to other classes the tankyness is by far not as high as it seems, and without curses the dmg output is extremely low. You can make a video of condi mesmer with the same stats, in it's a lot more tanky than necro, while having a much higher dmg output (clones applying condis with autoattacks) It's not all gold that seems to be shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 > @"Nimon.7840" said: > Before they nerf core nec, they have to do a lot of work on other classes. > > Thief is still by far the most op roamer in wvw, followed by ranger, engi and rev. Interesting that you make the distinction of *core* necro in the first sentance, yet nothing in the second sentence. Is core thief by far the most OP roamer, followed by core ranger, core engie and core rev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokriphos.7042 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: Interesting that you make the distinction of *core* necro in the first sentance, yet nothing in the second sentence. > I dont see how this is relevant to the discussion. It is well known that each class has a specialization (or lack thereof) that is more ideal per game mode. Core tends to show off its relatively limited strengths best in wvw roaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 > @"ollbirtan.2915" said: > Let the meme build be, seriously. We need more build variety, not less. Really ? It;s WvW,theyre beinng sustained by ele's and FB's aswell.....W/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizaru.1385 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 > @"Zero.3871" said: > > @"Sprymazi.6472" said: > > So this is nothing new, the good old core necro, trailblazer, condi immortal faceroll necro. But now when people have started perfecting them they have become a real problem. It's got extremely high condi dmg, high condi duration, they can re-apply them with ez, they take virtually no damage at all and it doesn't matter if you rotate your interrupts on a Korean Tekken player level, they can just stand there and tank the damage while stunned or dazed. And if you manage to get them low enough they have a full 30k bar of shroud, that they use to recharge their health with vampirism and life steal. And then the cycle continues, full shroud -> full health -> full shroud -> full health. > > > > It can be countered if you play like an extreme coward and out of combat constantly or play a build specifically for taking down this exact build, but then again, they can just kite you to nearest tower if they see they are losing. > > > > Inb4 "Use resistance LUL". Yeah you will need 1 minute of resistance if you wanna take them down since re applying condis after a cleanse is a peace of cake. > > > > > > > > What to do about it? I don't know, I think the problem lies with trailblazer being a thing that gives extreme tankiness and all the damage a condi class needs. But arena net already hard nerfed mirage and other condi builds so trailblazer for them is the only way to at least relevant. > > omg you made my day xD. this video was obviously made as a joke with a joke build. this guy is even playing with race skill to disengage. in real fight vs non-bot player its useless. god, why are all this eotm main players always thinking they can judge about balance? Lol he's not using snow leopard to disengage. He's using it for stealth stomps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.3871 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 > @"mizaru.1385" said: > > @"Zero.3871" said: > > > @"Sprymazi.6472" said: > > > So this is nothing new, the good old core necro, trailblazer, condi immortal faceroll necro. But now when people have started perfecting them they have become a real problem. It's got extremely high condi dmg, high condi duration, they can re-apply them with ez, they take virtually no damage at all and it doesn't matter if you rotate your interrupts on a Korean Tekken player level, they can just stand there and tank the damage while stunned or dazed. And if you manage to get them low enough they have a full 30k bar of shroud, that they use to recharge their health with vampirism and life steal. And then the cycle continues, full shroud -> full health -> full shroud -> full health. > > > > > > It can be countered if you play like an extreme coward and out of combat constantly or play a build specifically for taking down this exact build, but then again, they can just kite you to nearest tower if they see they are losing. > > > > > > Inb4 "Use resistance LUL". Yeah you will need 1 minute of resistance if you wanna take them down since re applying condis after a cleanse is a peace of cake. > > > > > > > > > > > > What to do about it? I don't know, I think the problem lies with trailblazer being a thing that gives extreme tankiness and all the damage a condi class needs. But arena net already hard nerfed mirage and other condi builds so trailblazer for them is the only way to at least relevant. > > > > omg you made my day xD. this video was obviously made as a joke with a joke build. this guy is even playing with race skill to disengage. in real fight vs non-bot player its useless. god, why are all this eotm main players always thinking they can judge about balance? > > Lol he's not using snow leopard to disengage. He's using it for stealth stomps. watch video at 51:10, you can do both, but 240 sec cd is still not viable on fights vs non npcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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