Serious Question About Blackgate Anet

[Vermillion.4061]

What's the point of linking other servers if they still struggle against Blackgate?

 

This isn't a matchup thread by the way, this is a legitimate concern because every week T1 is a blowout in some sorts and I doubt it's any fun. Just look at the other matchups and it's much closer compared to the mess T1 has been for the past couple of months.

 

Anet please do something about how your linkings work or hit the problem of everything that is Blackgate.

 


 

[Ayrilana.1396]

They’ve stated before that many of the combined servers have a greater population than BG. You can’t fault a server for simply being better (or at least when they bother trying instead of hibernating).

[ThunderPanda.1872]

That's probably the plan. BG will probably implode if this goes on.

[xarallei.4279]

In T2 atm. Some people actually deliberately want to stay out of first place in their matchups because they don't want to go back to T1. Craziness. When you get to the point where people are okay with losing because they don't want to go up against the very unfun, horribly lopsided Blackgate you know something is seriously wrong.

[Xslare.8735]

It's not about how or why BG is 1st, and how long that will remain. They play the game mode to the *fullest extent* encouraged by ANet, and pride themselves in constantly "being 1st." The problem is that (again for whatever reason) servers find it so awful to fight against BG that they actively tank match-ups just to dodge being in T1 against BG. As it stands, T2 is basically "Tier 1 lite", where people blob around for the first half of the week PPTing and whatever, while the second half is trying to not be the "loser" that gets sent to T1.

 

Something is fundamentally flawed when the majority of people actively want to avoid winning in the game mode that's been set up.

[Vermillion.4061]

> @xarallei.4279 said:

> In T2 atm. Some people actually deliberately want to stay out of first place in their matchups because they don't want to go back to T1. Craziness. When you get to the point where people are okay with losing because they don't want to go up against the very unfun, horribly lopsided Blackgate you know something is seriously wrong.

 

One of the reasons that I made this thread.

 

T2 is basically a win for the week if you come in 2nd because coming in first is a death sentence to a week of Blackgate.

[xarallei.4279]

lol. The other day I jumped on and we were 1st in our current skirmish and people were like "omg! Why are we 1st!" as if it's a terrible thing. That's where we are right now.

[MasterYoda.8563]

While some servers don't want any part of T1 and will tank if they make it to T1 no matter what. With lack of real attention to WvW by Anet and the game is going on little over 5 years old now with many people have stopped playing after H.O.T fiasco that was and the game has struggled to make up from that loss of players to date still. So many factors are in play that BG or any other server can't control. So people need to stop trying to blame BG for everything when Mag outnumber BG and still lost couple weeks in a row then Mag decided to give up so they can drop down a tier. You can't fault a server for being better than other servers or have better strategy etc then others or having the willingness to stay in T1. Anet has BG hard locked even though other servers have linked servers and still outnumber BG. So the talk that BG is the fattest server is a joke.

 

Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

[XenesisII.1540]

BG may not have the active population on the books as the other servers, but they have the coverage, that is has always mattered.

[DeadlySynz.3471]

The core problems of balance are essentially around BG, and Anet falsely opening up the server to allow more people to go in. I'm not going to fault the server for buying guilds (other servers have done it, it's just BG has done it far more). I'm not going to fault Anet. I wonder, if Anet never opened up BG to allow such a large population disparity (and yes those who've been in T1 can clearly see it), would linking even exist?

[Xslare.8735]

> @MasterYoda.8563 said:

> While some servers don't want any part of T1 and will tank if they make it to T1 no matter what. With lack of real attention to WvW by Anet and the game is going on little over 5 years old now with many people have stopped playing after H.O.T fiasco that was and the game has struggled to make up from that loss of players to date still. So many factors are in play that BG or any other server can't control. So people need to stop trying to blame BG for everything when Mag outnumber BG and still lost couple weeks in a row then Mag decided to give up so they can drop down a tier. You can't fault a server for being better than other servers or have better strategy etc then others or having the willingness to stay in T1. Anet has BG hard locked even though other servers have linked servers and still outnumber BG. So the talk that BG is the fattest server is a joke.

>

> Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

 

SoR imploded back during Seasons, so I'm not actually sure what point you're trying to make; any server that gets a 3x link is generally pretty dead, which is why we didn't have queues until 15 minutes into reset. Meanwhile, you talk about the game being 5 years old, and argue that ANet finally getting around to patching the use of *3rd party programs* only within the last year to get into BG overnight killed the BG population. Ok!

[Crazy.6029]

Anet cant balance a game modes population if that game mode is losing more players than attracting, simply because the numbers are steadily changing. All they can do is try to manipulate the numbers , which is what they are doing. They need to focus on fixing the issues that drive people away and then find a way to bring new players and vets back. :)

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

Hmm #bgtears comes to mind during the tournaments, so I should care about this problem other servers are having with BG why?

[MasterYoda.8563]

> @Xslare.8735 said:

> > @MasterYoda.8563 said:

> > While some servers don't want any part of T1 and will tank if they make it to T1 no matter what. With lack of real attention to WvW by Anet and the game is going on little over 5 years old now with many people have stopped playing after H.O.T fiasco that was and the game has struggled to make up from that loss of players to date still. So many factors are in play that BG or any other server can't control. So people need to stop trying to blame BG for everything when Mag outnumber BG and still lost couple weeks in a row then Mag decided to give up so they can drop down a tier. You can't fault a server for being better than other servers or have better strategy etc then others or having the willingness to stay in T1. Anet has BG hard locked even though other servers have linked servers and still outnumber BG. So the talk that BG is the fattest server is a joke.

> >

> > Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

>

> SoR imploded back during Seasons, so I'm not actually sure what point you're trying to make; any server that gets a 3x link is generally pretty dead, which is why we didn't have queues until 15 minutes into reset. Meanwhile, you talk about the game being 5 years old, and argue that ANet finally getting around to patching the use of *3rd party programs* only within the last year to get into BG overnight killed the BG population. Ok!

 

I didn't understand one bit of your post and not going to even try.

[QuantumCat.9051]

You must not keep up to speed on the WvW scene. Two major guilds have left Blackgate in the last week alone. BG wasn't even queued on EBG during reset last night. Queues on the other maps were minimal (I was late for reset by about 10 minutes and only had to wait out a 2 person queue on Desert BL). There were only three organized guilds running across all four maps. This is nowhere near what any major server could field a couple of years ago. If other linked servers can't field at least three active guilds on reset night, it's hardly BG's fault.

 

All you need to do is to take a look at the KDR and you'll see the difference in score this week.

[Tiny Doom.4380]

> @MasterYoda.8563 said:

 

> Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

 

Not sure what you can read into that. Lots of people (maybe most?) have more than one account, often on different servers (and no, I'm not just talking about spies). I have four. I post on this one, which is my Ehmry Bay account, for consistency but my main WvW account is on YB.

[Aeolus.3615]

> @Xslare.8735 said:

> It's not about how or why BG is 1st, and how long that will remain. They play the game mode to the *fullest extent* encouraged by ANet, and pride themselves in constantly "being 1st." The problem is that (again for whatever reason) servers find it so awful to fight against BG that they actively tank match-ups just to dodge being in T1 against BG. As it stands, T2 is basically "Tier 1 lite", where people blob around for the first half of the week PPTing and whatever, while the second half is trying to not be the "loser" that gets sent to T1.

>

> Something is fundamentally flawed when the majority of people actively want to avoid winning in the game mode that's been set up.

 

So basicly BG players will be PVD'ing most of time, well that's a PRO thing in this game.. Joking asside, that will make more players want to get in BG since its the padron mentality of gw2 playerbase.

 

IF BG plaayers loose interest there already lots to fiill with the transfers.

 

IMO it is not a server nor players fault for this beavior, it is ANet enforcing the awfull pvp spambat (spam+combat :dizzy: ) that results in this situations, the players that actually want to fight are just a few across the servers, for experiance most guuild its a full blob ktrain or leave map since they cant ktrain freely w/o adversaries, reason WVW matcupt system is a full server vs medium vs small server, with each server should have its own ktrain timezone, its just a awfull design...

 

Anet might have created the worse gameplay ive seen in mmo's that players try only to ktrain and not actually fight for free rewards.

And i know players that called very skillfull momment to fight empty servers.... aka pvd....

 

i talk for myself as some one who studied a bit of game developing, if the result of my work would be what WVW is... i would be really shame of myself...

 

[GrahamW.5397]

> @MasterYoda.8563 said:

> While some servers don't want any part of T1 and will tank if they make it to T1 no matter what. With lack of real attention to WvW by Anet and the game is going on little over 5 years old now with many people have stopped playing after H.O.T fiasco that was and the game has struggled to make up from that loss of players to date still. So many factors are in play that BG or any other server can't control. So people need to stop trying to blame BG for everything when Mag outnumber BG and still lost couple weeks in a row then Mag decided to give up so they can drop down a tier. You can't fault a server for being better than other servers or have better strategy etc then others or having the willingness to stay in T1. Anet has BG hard locked even though other servers have linked servers and still outnumber BG. So the talk that BG is the fattest server is a joke.

>

> Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

 

BG isn't better then other servers though, they're honestly pretty terrible for the most part and can't fight without the QQ pin snipe guild there to kill enemy drivers and some siege and a tower/keep to fall back to since they would rather avoid a fight then do pvp in a pvp game mode. The only reason BG "wins" is because **they do have more people and coverage compared to every other server** and no one wants to play their dumb ppt game because its a boring snooze fest when for the most part in NA at least people are looking for fights.(trying to pvp in a pvp game mode oh my god!) When you have some of the thickest na right now and the only guild that would fight others has left the server because they didn't like being on it are you really surprised no one wants to be in a matchup with you.

[Reaper Alim.4176]

> @Aeolus.3615 said:

> > @Xslare.8735 said:

> > It's not about how or why BG is 1st, and how long that will remain. They play the game mode to the *fullest extent* encouraged by ANet, and pride themselves in constantly "being 1st." The problem is that (again for whatever reason) servers find it so awful to fight against BG that they actively tank match-ups just to dodge being in T1 against BG. As it stands, T2 is basically "Tier 1 lite", where people blob around for the first half of the week PPTing and whatever, while the second half is trying to not be the "loser" that gets sent to T1.

> >

> > Something is fundamentally flawed when the majority of people actively want to avoid winning in the game mode that's been set up.

>

> So basicly BG players will be PVD'ing most of time, well that's a PRO thing in this game.. Joking asside, that will make more players want to get in BG since its the padron mentality of gw2 playerbase.

>

> IF BG plaayers loose interest there already lots to fiill with the transfers.

>

> IMO it is not a server nor players fault for this beavior, it is ANet enforcing the awfull pvp spambat (spam+combat :dizzy: ) that results in this situations, the players that actually want to fight are just a few across the servers, for experiance most guuild its a full blob ktrain or leave map since they cant ktrain freely w/o adversaries, reason WVW matcupt system is a full server vs medium vs small server, with each server should have its own ktrain timezone, its just a awfull design...

>

> Anet might have created the worse gameplay ive seen in mmo's that players try only to ktrain and not actually fight for free rewards.

> And i know players that called very skillfull momment to fight empty servers.... aka pvd....

>

> i talk for myself as some one who studied a bit of game developing, if the result of my work would be what WVW is... i would be really shame of myself...

>

 

And that's just precisely it. In GW2 you get rewarded more for just PvDing then you would for fighting players like in all of the other MMOs I've played. This is what attracts such super casual non competitive players. The fact that there are built in ways to avoid playing competitively, but still win.

 

All of this have stemmed from game design decisions to make GW2, the most casual, inclusive MMO on the market. ANet have done this in spades. That is what leads to such unhealthy gameplay. Nothing is interesting about fighting players who paid to have a distinct advantage against you, that you can't not overcome thru player skill. It defeats the whole purpose of PvP.(Unless you are in a competition of who can throw the most money at winning. Which other games does this better than GW2.)

 

It's like playing poker but knowing John Doe at the table, is always going to be dealt the winning hand. That's basically what WvW is now. And as we see more and more players left the game mode. Means this type of casual and inclusive gameplay, is very boring to a lot of players. Meaning they are just going to leave for more exciting games, that have developer and publisher support.

[X T D.6458]

We like WvW.

We like to win.

There are 24 servers and 4 tiers for anet to focus on.

 

[Chaba.5410]

> @MasterYoda.8563 said:

> So people need to stop trying to blame BG for everything when Mag outnumber BG and still lost couple weeks in a row then Mag decided to give up so they can drop down a tier.

 

Remember, these are three way matches. Very difficult for a server like Mag to win against BG if the third server in the match is not also trying, and as reported by players, no one wants to try. So in that way, yes, can't fault Anet for something the players are unwilling to do. Anet says they've been making server link teams that have more playhours than BG. Now we know that one thing these "pug" teams have going against them is they're not as organized as BG and don't have the experience playing together, but it is also player desire. Can't say exactly I fault players for not wanting to participate against BG though since fighting them tends to be boring, but if people want to beat BG, they do have to play.

 

The other thing is related to not just coverage, but in the way there is coverage. A lot of NA servers are strongest during NA timezone. The skirmishes before NA Prime affect how well NA Prime performs; do they start out at an advantage with objectives or at a disadvantage? What the OP's pictures show is BG very strong during EU and the others servers are not. This makes the NA on those other servers face an uphill struggle when they log in which minimizes how much those players affect the score not only in NA, but in the timezones after NA. Mag didn't really have that problem because Mag's EU tends to be strong. So the way there is coverage on a linked server team can also have an effect on whether they'll have some success against BG and players know this.

[Israel.7056]

How about we, the GW2 community, attempt to bring them down legit instead of appealing to daddy Anet to fix the problem for us??

What do you want Anet to do? Start kicking people off Blackgate until someone can actually beat them? Pathetic. This mentality is exactly what's wrong with this community now: too many emotionally frail dimwits who dislike even a moderate challenge. You've all been force fed your easy mode legendary armor and backpacks and you've forgotten how to use logic and determination to solve what is, in my mind, a relatively simple problem. If you actually had the guts to not avoid t1 because it's too scary you would find that Blackgate is absolutely beatable right now. They're tenacious, relatively well organized and utterly ruthless but beatable. Their usual tactics and stratagems are ofcourse quite good but they're predictable nonetheless. They have major coverage gaps and an NA force that can be completely steamrolled under the right conditions. Their two biggest strengths are 1.) They've got one of the last decent OCX guilds left who are willing to run open seemingly every raid and blob everything down and 2.) One of the last decent SEA guilds who are also willing to run open seemingly every raid and blob things down. This doesn't seem to me to be that hard of a riddle to figure out. Given what I've just told you where should one start if one's goal is to legitimately beat BG?

[Vermillion.4061]

> @"Tiny Doom.4380" said:

> > @MasterYoda.8563 said:

>

> > Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

>

> Not sure what you can read into that. Lots of people (maybe most?) have more than one account, often on different servers (and no, I'm not just talking about spies). I have four. I post on this one, which is my Ehmry Bay account, for consistency but my main WvW account is on YB.

 

I was on JQ for over a year before I transfered down to start a guild on SoR.

 

I'm just bringing up this issue because a lot of people in general from other servers feel this way towards Blackgate.

[Chaba.5410]

> @Israel.7056 said:

> How about we, the GW2 community, attempt to bring them down legit instead of appealing to daddy Anet to fix the problem for us??

> Their two biggest strengths are 1.) They've got one of the last decent OCX guilds left who are willing to run open seemingly every raid and blob everything down and 2.) One of the last decent SEA guilds who are also willing to run open seemingly every raid and blob things down. This doesn't seem to me to be that hard of a riddle to figure out. Given what I've just told you where should one start if one's goal is to legitimately beat BG?

 

I recall BG being relatively weak during late PST/early OCX. If another server had a sizeable force during that time they could paper everything upgraded and put BG's OCX and SEA on the backfoot. A third server also hitting BG during this time would assist. BG's NA only seems strong because they start out their skirmish with upgraded objectives which are easier to defend than paper stuff.

[Strider Pj.2193]

> @Vermillion.4061 said:

> > @"Tiny Doom.4380" said:

> > > @MasterYoda.8563 said:

> >

> > > Here the Best part the OP is on SOR all the way down in T3 and NOT even in this weeks T1 match up so what's really the agenda here?

> >

> > Not sure what you can read into that. Lots of people (maybe most?) have more than one account, often on different servers (and no, I'm not just talking about spies). I have four. I post on this one, which is my Ehmry Bay account, for consistency but my main WvW account is on YB.

>

> I was on JQ for over a year before I transfered down to start a guild on SoR.

>

> I'm just bringing up this issue because a lot of people in general from other servers feel this way towards Blackgate.

 

So, your solution is to complain?