World Restructuring

[vier.1327]

After seen 13 new post, for a brief moment, I thought that Alliances were a reality... So sad...

 

Subversiontwo.7501 congratulations, amazing arguments. Very clear and without sarcastic ways to say how the linking server system has killed the WvW communities.

 

Maybe that is what we part of us want, the return of the server pride gone by this system. And WvW Alliances could have been a solution, now I think it is too late for it.

 

Fortunately, Baruch Bay was saved from the server linking system.

[lare.5129]

> @"Calisanna.8732" said:

> I do however know that we need updates.

may be you need switct to oterh game mode? make break.

 

> I’m not happy with the current state of WvW.

ofc not all should be happy. And this is ok. Some just want replay content from other game, some only do dayli, someone only roam

 

> I’m not sure what anet could do to help our mode out.

yes, may be, and more not sure that alianses can change something

 

> Although it’s a gimmick and vets might hate it- theme weeks, dbl xp weeks, new armor/weapon skins.

dlb xp event ofc fine.

 

 

[lare.5129]

> @"vier.1327" said:

> Very clear and without sarcastic ways to say how the linking server system has killed the WvW communities.

it is very unvisible. I don't see that it was sayed. Also for me link system one of greatest fun and way to see what and where, get fun, and alwasy get us new content.

Yes, link is part of new content. New(another) people = new content

 

 

[Calisanna.8732]

> @"lare.5129" said:

> > @"Calisanna.8732" said:

> > I do however know that we need updates.

> may be you need switct to oterh game mode? make break.

>

> > I’m not happy with the current state of WvW.

> ofc not all should be happy. And this is ok. Some just want replay content from other game, some only do dayli, someone only roam

>

> > I’m not sure what anet could do to help our mode out.

> yes, may be, and more not sure that alianses can change something

>

> > Although it’s a gimmick and vets might hate it- theme weeks, dbl xp weeks, new armor/weapon skins.

> dlb xp event ofc fine.

>

>

I highly dislike when people tell/suggest others to stop playing or take a break. In this case switch game modes. The answer is a HARD NO.

I really only WvW and have 9 accounts for the WvW with friends/guilds reasons I don’t need a break. Anet should be giving each game mode some attention, not just pve.

 

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

@"lare.5129" you're too new to all this to understand. we had blacktide for some time as our link, you're a rather small server with some few guilds that do things, which is mainly ppt. not unfriendly, but... you just used sofar content that was brought directly to you. t1 has simply the most easy matchups normally. that is why most servers even avoid it, since it gets stale and boring after some time.

 

seek yourself a Wvw guild and learn a metaclass in a guild-group environment, then tell us again what u think of the format. i started when desolation was nearly years-long t1.... so i know what u think of. just that is only the spectator mode really. surely, every server wants some ppt providers, but there's more. even far more to be found within the format of Wvw medium and largescale.

 

by the way, u do realize our accountnames here are our ingame tags as well, yes? u find a lot of people posting in the Wvw forums, and most serious players are disliking the link-system. it's pretty bold to just say "you're not sharing my opinion, therefore you're bots/spam accounts"

 

if u don't know the reason of these reminder posts, we do remind Anet to give us at least information of an update they promised us _years_ ago.

[Kylden Ar.3724]

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said:

>

> if u don't know the reason of these reminder posts, we do remind Anet to give us at least information of an update they promised us _years_ ago.

 

2 years ago now. No communication, no updates, no hope, ONLY LIES!

 

All is vain!

 

#ALLIANCES WHEN!?

 

 

[lare.5129]

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said:

> seek yourself a Wvw guild and learn a metaclass in a guild-group environment, then tell us again what u think of the format.

I am already in one if best fro me wvw guilds, and already have metaclass. I think current state is great.

 

> by the way, u do realize our accountnames here are our ingame tags as well, yes?

ofc

 

>u find a lot of people posting in the Wvw forums, and most serious players are disliking the link-system.

how we measure "serious"? If this is not fake account, or not account from cuncurent mmo developers ofc .

Thelink system don't make domination is const par t of game, and not convert all action to gank. I think it ok. And ofc most skilled player will shoudl say that they don't liek it, becasue thay can't push to corner in non stop mode. And this is very ok that they notlike.

 

>it's pretty bold to just say "you're not sharing my opinion, therefore you're bots/spam accounts"

yes, and I am sure that most player who say that they need alianses very very suspicion.

 

> if u don't know the reason of these reminder posts, we do remind Anet to give us at least information of an update they promised us _years_ ago.

ofc we can have this update. Soon. But why some someone wait if after week. This is mmo game. Soon can mesn after 5-10 years too. And in most cases "soon" measure in years but not in weeks. So I don't see nothing special if it comes after 5 years. And it is ok. But try do some hype and each week say "where it is" looks as I say - bot mode.

[lare.5129]

> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> 2 years ago now.

this is mmo. So it can be soon. After 12 year may be. May be after 5. Soon. Not 100 years. If you play mmo game and think that 2 years is long term and per that term should be some action or respond I can say only "sorry, you don't understand spirit of mmo"

 

 

[vier.1327]

> @"lare.5129" said:

> > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> > 2 years ago now.

> this is mmo. So it can be soon. After 12 year may be. May be after 5. Soon. Not 100 years. If you play mmo game and think that 2 years is long term and per that term should be some action or respond I can say only "sorry, you don't understand spirit of mmo"

>

>

 

Answer me, you can trust me, are you The WwW Developer alt account?

 

"Soon" is just a meme for Arenanet timing in content development.

 

We would like to know what happened with the project, or if it is already cancelled. Actually, part of us is more interested in the communication than the Alliances project.

 

We are asking the same as pve players; communication.

[lare.5129]

> @"vier.1327" said:

> Answer me, you can trust me, are you The WwW Developer alt account?

no, I am developer another project

 

> "Soon" is just a meme for Arenanet timing in content development.

"soon" is not 2 years. Soon it is fast as possible. But not 2 years.

 

> We would like to know what happened with the project, or if it is already cancelled.

why you think that something should happen? per 2 years??? ok, people see ticket, make investigation, set priorities, make plan, it will be done soon. Thats already can be comeleted per 2-5 years .. Before start. If you think that all thing do per one week or year - this is wrong vision person who not from project management world.

 

> We are asking the same as pve players; communication.

I see communication. But if you think that it should be triggered each year, and each 2 years - this is wrong vision I am sure.

Will see how it be after 5 or 10 years. May be 12 years .. But trigger each year abd say "how it is" the wrong vision of project management.

don't try it compare time period whit Harry Poter magic brush movement and real work.

 

[Strider Pj.2193]

Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay... until then, we will continue to enjoy discussing this topic on this discussion forum!

 

 

@"vier.1327"

 

There are posters on this forum that consistently try to troll, and perform this function poorly. Don’t get pulled in.....

 

[lare.5129]

> @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay...

we already get that the 2 years ago. I am sure it is ok. Or what, next stem ask current state each day by mail ???

 

 

[vier.1327]

> @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay... until then, we will continue to enjoy discussing this topic on this discussion forum!

>

>

> @"vier.1327"

>

> There are posters on this forum that consistently try to troll, and perform this function poorly. Don’t get pulled in.....

>

 

Wise words

[Kylden Ar.3724]

> @"lare.5129" said:

> > @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> > Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay...

> we already get that the 2 years ago. I am sure it is ok. Or what, next stem ask current state each day by mail ???

>

>

 

If I ignored my stakeholders on a project for 2 years, I'd get fired.

 

So again, I ask,

 

#Alliances WHEN!?

[subversiontwo.7501]

> @"vier.1327" said:

> > @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> > Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay... until then, we will continue to enjoy discussing this topic on this discussion forum!

> >

> >

> > @"vier.1327"

> >

> > There are posters on this forum that consistently try to troll, and perform this function poorly. Don’t get pulled in.....

> >

>

> Wise words

 

Well, yeah, the way stuff is managed it just invites and feeds feigned ignorance, hyperbole and general trolling. Trolls thrive when only flames get smacked.

 

At the same time it doesn't really matter, it's a discussion forum and when we post we do it for the benefit of anyone who cares to read, not just whoever we choose to respond to.

 

At one point there was a guy in one of my own guilds trolling around here who then went "is that you?" "lulul, made you post" and I just shrugged it off as it wasn't like I wouldn't be posting anyway, right. It's a discussion forum, it's made to post on. I take these forums for what they are and sometimes you may feel like its a waste of time but most of the time you know full well it is falling on deaf ears, above people's heads or gets lost in bleet and noise - but this still is the only official communication with some permanence so your posts will always sit around here for someone to read and occassionally what you say may help someone get some information or learn a thing or two. That's really the only reason I spend time here now and then, pretending so be some sort of voice of reason or representative for playergroups who have generally never used this place much or who are becomming exceedingly rare overall. It can be a healthy perspective to dab into every once in a while.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

@"lare.5129"

u see communication? where?

 

yet in the november 2018 update all they said "update? here it is! we update u that we have no further info about when alliances launch but it is on a good way".

in the meantime probably they fired the whole team that worked on Wvw and maybe even dropped the plan. irl the year-long state is "no communication" bc says things like "soon" means just nothing, if it takes over half a year.

 

meanwhile pvE people cry about having to wait like 1 month if even for the next part of the living world episode.

 

modern games generate enough money to require updates at least every six months. even if u say Wvw is not big enough to get that much updates, okay, but at least each year an update would be a thing. instead the introduced a pretty bad mount that nobody wanted in Wvw.

 

back then the "linked server system" was introduced as temporary solution. the idea of Alliances came up due to the massing complaints against the "links". this year they still talk about "soon". many of the Wvw players either feel pranked or lost faith. we don't talk about months, how can u compare years, by now over 1000 days to "daily updates"?

 

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so long talk, short conclusion

 

i have birthday today, and i'd really appreciate more info about "Alliances when" as present. :P

[vier.1327]

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said:

> @"lare.5129"

> u see communication? where?

>

> yet in the november 2018 update all they said "update? here it is! we update u that we have no further info about when alliances launch but it is on a good way".

> in the meantime probably they fired the whole team that worked on Wvw and maybe even dropped the plan. irl the year-long state is "no communication" bc says things like "soon" means just nothing, if it takes over half a year.

>

> meanwhile pvE people cry about having to wait like 1 month if even for the next part of the living world episode.

>

> modern games generate enough money to require updates at least every six months. even if u say Wvw is not big enough to get that much updates, okay, but at least each year an update would be a thing. instead the introduced a pretty bad mount that nobody wanted in Wvw.

>

> back then the "linked server system" was introduced as temporary solution. the idea of Alliances came up due to the massing complaints against the "links". this year they still talk about "soon". many of the Wvw players either feel pranked or lost faith. we don't talk about months, how can u compare years, by now over 1000 days to "daily updates"?

>

> ____________

> so long talk, short conclusion

>

> i have birthday today, and i'd really appreciate more info about "Alliances when" as present. :P

 

Happy birthday ??

[lare.5129]

> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> If I ignored my stakeholders on a project for 2 years, I'd get fired.

this is only yours and yours employer inner cooperation issue and/or vision. Don't share it for all world as single pattern please :)

I am developer. Currently have on board task 7 year old.. Don't see any panic.

 

> So again, I ask,

> Alliances WHEN!?

when be ready when be ready. Soon. Aprox1 -20 years. No kidding.

[lare.5129]

> @"kamikharzeeh.8016" said:

> u see communication? where?

I see message in 2018. This is enough. Push every day it not a way.

 

> yet in the november 2018 update all they said "update? here it is! we update u that we have no further info about when alliances launch but it is on a good way".

good news!

 

>says things like "soon" means just nothing, if it takes over half a year.

healf year is not a term. You can worry and think if it will be not 25 years answer.. But don't see any reason panic every day.

 

> meanwhile pvE people cry about having to wait like 1 month if even for the next part of the living world episode.

every month new living world episode? What ???? lol

 

> modern games generate enough money to require updates at least every six months.

we have enough updated. May be to much on wvw

 

>. instead the introduced a pretty bad mount that nobody wanted in Wvw.

nice mount

>

> back then the "linked server system" was introduced as temporary solution. the idea of Alliances came up due to the massing complaints against the "links". this year they still talk about "soon". many of the Wvw players either feel pranked or lost faith. we don't talk about months, how can u compare years, by now over 1000 days to "daily updates"?

WHAT ?? alianses will remove linked server ??? NO. HOPE you not properly understand this. Linked servers is one of best part on wvw.

Sure you a wrong understand this. How I understand alianses give way whit less gem payment join on sever selected to guild, and don't lose pips week. What all.

 

 

[Calisanna.8732]

> @"lare.5129" said:

> > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> > 2 years ago now.

> this is mmo. So it can be soon. After 12 year may be. May be after 5. Soon. Not 100 years. If you play mmo game and think that 2 years is long term and per that term should be some action or respond I can say only "sorry, you don't understand spirit of mmo"

>

>

 

And what’s the excuse for “discussing it in the upcoming months”?? it’s been over a year

 

How about the “that one pvp guy in the back” comment? They obviously know they’re neglecting our modes. I suggest stop making excuses for companies that should know better, and probably do know better.

[Calisanna.8732]

> @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay... until then, we will continue to enjoy discussing this topic on this discussion forum!

>

>

> @"vier.1327"

>

> There are posters on this forum that consistently try to troll, and perform this function poorly. Don’t get pulled in.....

>

Sadly I say this too late after responding to a kitten. You’re absolutely right though.

 

[Strider Pj.2193]

> @"Calisanna.8732" said:

> > @"Strider Pj.2193" said:

> > Agreed. Just drop us a note, maybe a little nod to yay or nay... until then, we will continue to enjoy discussing this topic on this discussion forum!

> >

> >

> > @"vier.1327"

> >

> > There are posters on this forum that consistently try to troll, and perform this function poorly. Don’t get pulled in.....

> >

> Sadly I say this too late after responding to a kitten. You’re absolutely right though.

>

 

You are not alone. ?. I stopped with this particular one oh.. maybe a month ago.

 

Now I ignore the posts and continue about my way.

[lare.5129]

ok, now when we see that some people vision for aliances is wrong, case not properly understand develop process what more we want know about word restricting?

Have community any valid question, but not only span apout useless feature alianses, wich opposite can break gameplay and inject in our link-system some bad things?

[Kylden Ar.3724]

> @"lare.5129" said:

> > @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> > If I ignored my stakeholders on a project for 2 years, I'd get fired.

> this is only yours and yours employer inner cooperation issue and/or vision. Don't share it for all world as single pattern please :)

> I am developer. Currently have on board task 7 year old.. Don't see any panic.

 

Please tell us who you develop for so we can **never** use you as a vendor then.

[lare.5129]

> @"Kylden Ar.3724" said:

> Please tell us who you develop for so we can **never** use you as a vendor then.

I don't say it on this account, but funniest thing that I sure that you already use that product. It so funny, that I laugh 3 minutes. And one of fun that in these "free of monopoly :facepalm " you can't discard this product and not hurt proof of life. But back to that thread product process .. You still think that any task or case should be solved per half year??? Order it just by time creation order without other priorities and not check risks??? NOOO.

This is normal, that some process eat more time that half year. Is this nice? no. But this is normal common state form many many other projects..

This is not small startup. So you can be ready that many things that already implemented in text inside task we will see may be after 5 years, or 10, or 30.