notebene.3190 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 What are some good options for a CC (breakbar) pet for the Ranger? I've been using a Jungle Spider. I was hoping the PoF lion would be good, but it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButcherofMalakir.4067 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Electric wyvern and gazelle are good examples. (orused to be last patch). I am not a druid player so i am not as qualified as others might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The wiki has a [table of all CC skills](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Defiance_Bar#Hard_control_effects) that should be current. It's a thorough list, although not necessarily arranged in an order useful to choosing a pet. Look for "with" (for Ranger/Druid pets) or "when melded" (for Soulbeast) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezember.1295 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"ButcherofMalakir.4067" said: > Electric wyvern and gazelle are good examples. (orused to be last patch). I am not a druid player so i am not as qualified as others might be. ^ this. Gazelle and wyvern are the most common. Pink moa bird is recommended for people that do not own neither expantion. Jungle spider also has soft CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaylaena.6257 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Electric wyvern is my go to, but the black moa is pretty great for defiance bar if you have it :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haleydawn.3764 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 > @"Kaylaena.6257" said: > Electric wyvern is my go to, but the black moa is pretty great for defiance bar if you have it :] Except for appearance and some details on its Dazing Screech, the black moa is identical to the pink moa. The pink Moa seems to do more damage from its screech, but the black moas defiance bar damage is 100pts higher, according to data on the Wiki. I’m pretty sure Smokescale has a knockdown in its base attack sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 > @"Haleydawn.3764" said: > > @"Kaylaena.6257" said: > > Electric wyvern is my go to, but the black moa is pretty great for defiance bar if you have it :] > > ...the black moa is identical to the pink moa... The pink Moa seems to do more damage from its screech, but the black moas defiance bar damage is 100pts higher, according to data on the Wiki. The two pets are supposed to be identical, because Black is supposed to be a just a reskin. It's unobtainable for anyone who hasn't linked an appropriate GW1 account, so it would be unfair if its weaker or stronger than the Pink. However, in practice, they are different pets, with different IDs (and their Dazing Screech also has a different skill ID). ANet has had trouble getting them to behave identically. One patch made one have a stronger defiance-breaking screech; another reversed that. It wouldn't surprise me if they made another change and didn't include it in the patch notes. According to the API, * [The Pink Moa's d-screech](https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/skills/12708) lasts 2 seconds with a damage multiplier of 0.5, with a hit count of 1 * [The Black's](https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/skills/12709) lasts 1 second with a damage multiplier of 0.2, with a hit count of 1. That suggests that the Pink screech does more damage. The wiki articles don't seem to have been updated recently, so I don't know if anyone has recently tested the in-game impact. That should be easy enough with ArcDPS and perhaps the results are common knowledge among the meter-using community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaltyn of Torbins Deep.294 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Though they aren't as good as hard CC's, don't forget the pets that can apply soft CC's as well. Fear, Chill, Immob, Taunt, etc. With the build that I'm currently running on one of my druids, whenever I hit the F2 pet skill, it applies 2 seconds of taunt at 75 per second. So when the Gazelle does his head toss, I'm getting an extra 150 damage to that defiance bar from the taunt at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I like the Wolf, it has a knock down and fear. Hyena can be fun too, calls an ally, both have knockdown potential but the ally is a bit of a pixie and wonders off somewhere unnecessary, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaverKane.7598 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"Kaylaena.6257" said: > Electric wyvern is my go to, but the black moa is pretty great for defiance bar if you have it :] Black Moa is a Pink Moa with a Skin, so Pink Moa is the exact same thing. Wolf (grab it in WvW) is a great CCer, especially for PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"ReaverKane.7598" said: > Black Moa is a Pink Moa with a Skin, so Pink Moa is the exact same thing. It's supposed to be, but it's not. The pets use a different version of screech (the devs keep saying it's fixed, but sometimes Pink is a little more useful, sometimes Black). (See above for links to the API.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearshaman.3421 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Also you can get an ogre pet whistle in either fireheart rise or Iron marches, that gives you a second pet basically for 15-30 minutes. So you could possibly get a pet that has CC as well, though you can't control it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 > @"bearshaman.3421" said: > Also you can get an ogre pet whistle in either fireheart rise or Iron marches, that gives you a second pet basically for 15-30 minutes. So you could possibly get a pet that has CC as well, though you can't control it at all. > Double-click to call an ogre pet to aid you for 5 minutes. (the cooldown is 30 minutes; the actual pet lasts only 5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 In case anyone cares about the actual numbers: Pink Moa - 200 Defiance bar damage Black Moa - 3 x 100 Defiance bar damage Electric Wyvern - up to 4 x 232 (+232 from a passive skill) Defiance bar damage Rock Gazelle - 232 (+200 from a passive skill) Defiance bar damage Pink and Black Moa are indeed different. Electric Wyvern is great on big targets, the Rock Gazelle on small ones. Both provide additonal CC with their passive skills such as the wyvern's Wing Buffet for an extra 232. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff.5312 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 A related question would be: is the cc of your pet as important as for example the buffs it can give when you're in a large group encounter? Is there some consensus that cc is the overriding concern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineManXX.9746 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 > @"Biff.5312" said: > A related question would be: is the cc of your pet as important as for example the buffs it can give when you're in a large group encounter? Is there some consensus that cc is the overriding concern? Why do you need a "consensus" to decide what you want your pet to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffball.8307 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 > @"MachineManXX.9746" said: > > @"Biff.5312" said: > > A related question would be: is the cc of your pet as important as for example the buffs it can give when you're in a large group encounter? Is there some consensus that cc is the overriding concern? > > Why do you need a "consensus" to decide what you want your pet to do? If a lot of people with more experience than you all agree on something, it's worth listening to what they say and why (something the world seems to be straying further and further away from as google makes everyone a self-described expert with infinite knowledge and experience. :) ) If he were already an expert on using pets efficiently, he wouldn't be asking for help here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineManXX.9746 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 > @"Fluffball.8307" said: > > @"MachineManXX.9746" said: > > > @"Biff.5312" said: > > > A related question would be: is the cc of your pet as important as for example the buffs it can give when you're in a large group encounter? Is there some consensus that cc is the overriding concern? > > > > Why do you need a "consensus" to decide what you want your pet to do? > > If a lot of people with more experience than you all agree on something, it's worth listening to what they say and why (something the world seems to be straying further and further away from as google makes everyone a self-described expert with infinite knowledge and experience. :) ) > > If he were already an expert on using pets efficiently, he wouldn't be asking for help here. Well, the OP was specifically asking about CC pets. I took Biff's comment as suggesting he should use Buffing pets over CC pets. If I understood that correctly, then why would the OP care about buffing pets when he apparently already knows what he wants it to do? Now if Biff was actually asking a question, then I misunderstood and my comment was wrong and should be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff.5312 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 > Now if Biff was actually asking a question, then I misunderstood and my comment was wrong and should be ignored. I was actually asking a question. I want to know whether it is known that cc is the best feature to be concerned with when choosing a pet, or if there might be better choices based on things like dps or buffing effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 > @"Biff.5312" said: > > > Now if Biff was actually asking a question, then I misunderstood and my comment was wrong and should be ignored. > > I was actually asking a question. I want to know whether it is known that cc is the best feature to be concerned with when choosing a pet, or if there might be better choices based on things like dps or buffing effects. it depends on the situation boss 3 in wing 4 you want cc pets since they get a break bar every 10% the 2 boss in the same wing no break bar so tiger for fury is better there. Its the same everywere else sometimes cc pets are better sometimes the buff ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineManXX.9746 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Yeah, sometimes it's imperative to break a bar as fast as possible and some pets do that nicely. That's the thing, pets are so versatile and there are almost endless reasons to use a different pet. Every situation is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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