Mirage Shouldn't Be Able To Channel Buffs In Mirage Cloak

[shadowpass.4236]

Bad mechanic, unstoppable full cap on tranq

[rank eleven monk.9502]

This is something I fully support even as a regular mesmer player. Incredibly unfair feature.

 

Btw you can't really cap tranq, but stillness is an easy win for any mirage

[mortrialus.3062]

I'm a mirage main and I 100% agree with this. I've gotten more than a few Stillness and Tranquility's with this. I was actually shocked when I first dodged an incoming projectile only to see I didn't stop channeling and finished the channel.

[Kasdwer.3721]

yeah its pretty stupid

[sephiroth.4217]

I give you 100's of Thumps up.

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[Rarnark.5623]

agreed pls change

[Dawdler.8521]

The entire design purpose of mirage cloak is that its not a dodge. If you want it to interrupt skills like a dodge... well then just make it a normal dodge. Otherwise its just gonna be a dodge that doesnt move you, ie worse than a normal dodge.

[shadowpass.4236]

> @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> The entire design purpose of mirage cloak is that its not a dodge. If you want it to interrupt skills like a dodge... well then just make it a normal dodge. Otherwise its just gonna be a dodge that doesnt move you, ie worse than a normal dodge.

 

Mirage Cloak was a bad design to begin with. An entire elite spec based around a stronger dodge mechanic that completely eliminates the need/reward for good timing is extremely unhealthy and impossible to balance.

 

The only way Mirage Cloak would be balanced was if it functioned like a normal dodge. It already lasts longer than a normal dodge and lets you go on the offensive while being unable to be hit. That's enough. Being able to dodge while cc'd, or breaking stuns every time you dodge is ridiculous.

[Alatar.7364]

> @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> The entire design purpose of mirage cloak is that its not a dodge. If you want it to interrupt skills like a dodge... well then just make it a normal dodge. Otherwise its just gonna be a dodge that doesnt move you, ie worse than a normal dodge.

 

Nobody's talking about interrupting skills, but it should definitely interrupt channeling buffs.

[FyzE.3472]

No! L2p nab /sarcasm

[Ben Phongluangtham.1065]

Agreed. I took a quick look, doesn't seem to be a difficult change. I look more thoroughly when I get into the office this morning and double check with some folks to see if someone has any valid arguments why we shouldn't change this.

[apharma.3741]

> @"Alatar.7364" said:

> > @"Dawdler.8521" said:

> > The entire design purpose of mirage cloak is that its not a dodge. If you want it to interrupt skills like a dodge... well then just make it a normal dodge. Otherwise its just gonna be a dodge that doesnt move you, ie worse than a normal dodge.

>

> Nobody's talking about interrupting skills, but it should definitely interrupt channeling buffs.

 

Agreed, it's more about parity than anything, you should be vulnerable while channelling the buffs and easily interrupted regardless of what class just like you can't channel in stealth.

[Toron.4856]

Are u you gonna do the same about stomps then? A mirage stomp can not be interrupted when dodging

[Ghos.1326]

I never even knew a thing like this existed. Well shoot lol.

[rank eleven monk.9502]

> @"Toron.4856" said:

> Are u you gonna do the same about stomps then? A mirage stomp can not be interrupted when dodging

You can stomp while being invulnerable and in stealth as well. Think before you post. Safe stomping is not game-breaking.

 

On a sidenote, I guess it's entirely the same mechanic, but hopefully the change will apply to Stronghold as well (hero channels etc.)

[zealex.9410]

I think the freedom and flexibility tat mirage gets for stomping and mid fight through the mirage cloak is enough. Map mechanics should be the same for everyone with the only thing affecting them imo being game wide things like boons.

[OriOri.8724]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> Agreed. I took a quick look, doesn't seem to be a difficult change. I look more thoroughly when I get into the office this morning and double check with some folks to see if someone has any valid arguments why we shouldn't change this.

 

This is a very welcome change, looking forward to seeing it implemented as soon as you guys are able to

[Ben Phongluangtham.1065]

We'll be changing this for Temple of the Silent Storm, Coliseum, Spirit Watch and Stronghold.

 

Unfortunately, we're past the window to make it in for the next release, so this will go into the one after.

[Darknicrofia.2604]

When is the next release?

[Alatar.7364]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We'll be changing this for Temple of the Silent Storm, Coliseum, Spirit Watch and Stronghold.

>

> Unfortunately, we're past the window to make it in for the next release, so this will go into the one after.

 

Mirage can also use the Dodge ability while firing Trebuchet on Battle of Kyhlo. But, as mentioned above, that might be considered an interruption of actual Skill-usage, a bit different Scenario from Channelling Buff, so I just wanted to hear Devs point about it. Is it intended?

[Toron.4856]

> @"rank eleven monk.9502" said:

> > @"Toron.4856" said:

> > Are u you gonna do the same about stomps then? A mirage stomp can not be interrupted when dodging

> You can stomp while being invulnerable and in stealth as well. Think before you post. Safe stomping is not game-breaking.

>

> On a sidenote, I guess it's entirely the same mechanic, but hopefully the change will apply to Stronghold as well (hero channels etc.)

 

I know that u can shadowstep stealth invuln portal etc etc stomp.

 

I was just ASKING IF the ability to dodge stomp is being removed with the ability to dodge while getting the buff since its basically the same mechanic.

 

No need to cry about a "pls dont nerf mirage cloak stomp other classes have safe stomps as well". Jeez.

[Julius Seizure.4985]

> @"rank eleven monk.9502" said:

> > @"Toron.4856" said:

> > Are u you gonna do the same about stomps then? A mirage stomp can not be interrupted when dodging

> You can stomp while being invulnerable and in stealth as well. Think before you post. Safe stomping is not game-breaking.

>

> On a sidenote, I guess it's entirely the same mechanic, but hopefully the change will apply to Stronghold as well (hero channels etc.)

 

Most classes have to make a skill selection to safe stomp, and it involves an investment.

 

Mesmer already gets Distortion base line for safe stomping, and is the only profession that receives built in safe stomps. What you are saying is that Mirage should also receive additional safe stomps for 0 investment, and I feel that this is already too much. 2 dodges and Distortion is 0 investment for a lot of safe stomping.

[mortrialus.3062]

> @"Julius Seizure.4985" said:

> > @"rank eleven monk.9502" said:

> > > @"Toron.4856" said:

> > > Are u you gonna do the same about stomps then? A mirage stomp can not be interrupted when dodging

> > You can stomp while being invulnerable and in stealth as well. Think before you post. Safe stomping is not game-breaking.

> >

> > On a sidenote, I guess it's entirely the same mechanic, but hopefully the change will apply to Stronghold as well (hero channels etc.)

>

> Most classes have to make a skill selection to safe stomp, and it involves an investment.

>

> Mesmer already gets Distortion base line for safe stomping, and is the only profession that receives built in safe stomps. What you are saying is that Mirage should also receive additional safe stomps for 0 investment, and I feel that this is already too much. 2 dodges and Distortion is 0 investment for a lot of safe stomping.

 

Mirage is an investment.

[Ithilwen.1529]

> @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> We'll be changing this for Temple of the Silent Storm, Coliseum, Spirit Watch and Stronghold.

>

> Unfortunately, we're past the window to make it in for the next release, so this will go into the one after.

 

The OP got a win and quick action on a Mesmer nerf. I can even agree that this one makes sense.

**I still feel under siege every time I log in to play Mesmer. How will my fellow players or ANET think to nerf my class next?**

[saerni.2584]

> @"Ithilwen.1529" said:

> > @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:

> > We'll be changing this for Temple of the Silent Storm, Coliseum, Spirit Watch and Stronghold.

> >

> > Unfortunately, we're past the window to make it in for the next release, so this will go into the one after.

>

> The OP got a win and quick action on a Mesmer nerf. I can even agree that this one makes sense.

> **I still feel under siege every time I log in to play Mesmer. How will my fellow players or ANET think to nerf my class next?**

 

Clearly not working as intended. Don’t see why you are defending this as if it was.