Uon.7491 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Hello all! I am here hoping to find some help with a "Survive and Revive" build. I've been trying to put something together myself, but before committing to a gold splurge I was wondering if you lovely people could help me. Essentially, what I want to be able to do is focus on reviving other players as fast as I can in a large group or blob, but I need to be able to survive doing so. **Profession. specialisations, and weapons?** - I assume that Necromancer, Warrior, or Guardian are the most ideal choices. **Best Attribute Combinations?** - Sentinel, Nomad, Magi, Minstrel, or something else? **Runes and Sigils?** - [superior Rune of Mercy](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Mercy "Superior Rune of Mercy") looks interesting, but I am not sure if it's bonuses stack with skills and traits. Example: [Allies' Aid](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Allies%27_Aid "Allies' Aid") and Superior Rune of Mercy's sixth rune. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 three classes tempest and scouge and fb on all minstrel with sigil of energy and transfusion and mercy runes =) all vit infuse or healing. tanky food saffron def vit fb mace shield staff tempest dagger warhorn or focus staff dagger warhorn on scourge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 If you want is as a truly 'dedicated recover' then make sure you have stability. Because if I see you doing that, I am going to CC the heck out of you to force you to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 he is correct. so transfuse that down and let your buddy ele or guard revive =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uon.7491 Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Hmm, I am curious about the Concentration as it will lengthen Stability, but isn't it standard to have all your boons stripped from you when groups go head to head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 > @"Uon.7491" said: > Hmm, I am curious about the Concentration as it will lengthen Stability, but isn't it standard to have all your boons stripped from you when groups go head to head? If you are in either a spell breakers bubble, or any of the pulsing glowing blinding circles of death, err, scourge shades then yes. If you have boons and it's the scourge one, then it will become corrupted instead, so..., I run a weaver and deliberately use as few boons as I can (i havoc with others..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqueFyre.5678 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 There is an Old Old Thief Build that lost a lot of potency for Emergency’s Rezzing Players it is still semi viable, you use full Nomads W/ Mercy Runes and stealth camp while Rezzing Players, but again do to changes to WvW reds mechanics and nerfs to skills/traits it a lot less effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intox.6347 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I tried some .... first of all ... pick asura.... you dont want to be one big bulky charr / norn with 5 stacked auras and shiny wings. Not much ppl have enabled spec wvw / pvp models coz its ugly... so u need to be like ninja, not bring attention. I tried nomad thief... not that bad... some practise and it can work... but other than ress... you are pretty useless. minstrel tempest.... u can play it like shout healer ... but focusing on ress if you are able too .... mix between ressing and healing. Tried also minstrel chrono and firebrand... and at this both it looks well.... and you can still work as healer and support. nomad / minstrel warrior ... here i made hybrid resser :D it have some nice addons when ressing to thoughtness, heal after ress ... and i combined it with spellbreaker to have bubble..... so you can make some things in combat too ... good condi cleanse add.... and using hammer on another set to put some aoe (against ur ressed target if try to stomp) [gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJ6kpDoUQszDwMEgZXskFYIDuCQAI5EU1CB4X4NcIG-jVSDQBA4EA0LNB6Y/hBeEAk3DA0DISlgT4QA0MlfCU9HA-w](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJ6kpDoUQszDwMEgZXskFYIDuCQAI5EU1CB4X4NcIG-jVSDQBA4EA0LNB6Y/hBeEAk3DA0DISlgT4QA0MlfCU9HA-w "gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJ6kpDoUQszDwMEgZXskFYIDuCQAI5EU1CB4X4NcIG-jVSDQBA4EA0LNB6Y/hBeEAk3DA0DISlgT4QA0MlfCU9HA-w") also core variant [gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJakpDaBxOPwMEoDxQWQp1QJED4gXABQeCVdIA-jVSDQB9STwAPCANT5HAOBACU9HRqEcCHCAds/g8eAgeAA-w](http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJakpDaBxOPwMEoDxQWQp1QJED4gXABQeCVdIA-jVSDQB9STwAPCANT5HAOBACU9HRqEcCHCAds/g8eAgeAA-w "gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhJakpDaBxOPwMEoDxQWQp1QJED4gXABQeCVdIA-jVSDQB9STwAPCANT5HAOBACU9HRqEcCHCAds/g8eAgeAA-w") can change some skills.... different shouts to stances or whatever..... its nice hybrid to play ... but its not meta.... so abominations like this are not favoured much :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 > @"Uon.7491" said: > Hmm, I am curious about the Concentration as it will lengthen Stability, but isn't it standard to have all your boons stripped from you when groups go head to head? you reapply it fast by fb. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Apothecary scourge *by far* is the best dedicated reviver. Why? Transfusion downed pull is insanely strong, the heals and barriers allow you to play support scourge *and* the condi means you also work as a regular condi scourge (albeit with less damage than dedicated damage dealers of course). It's not the best healer, but when it comes to ressing in the zerg its basicly eating the cake and having it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uon.7491 Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 Thank you all for your assistance! I ended up making an Apothecary (Blood Magic Support) Scourge as I had a spare light armour set available for conversion. It's my first time playing as a Necromancer and I am struggling, but I am hoping to get the hang of it. I can revive people so very fast! I'm also aiming to make the Core Warrior Reviver once I've finished grinding for more gold. I'll add the builds to the opening post for anybody else who wants to focus on reviving others. Once again, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 a necro raises the dead after all =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 For reviving I'd say sa thief with mercy runes is the best choice imo. You have stealth and mobility along with merciful ambush so you can res allies without being an open target and prevent them from being stomped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 > @"cyberzombie.7348" said: > For reviving I'd say sa thief with mercy runes is the best choice imo. You have stealth and mobility along with merciful ambush so you can res allies without being an open target and prevent them from being stomped. Doesnt really help when the downed is in a sea of red necro marks and shades, does it? Even if we only consider smallscale the problem is also that if you build the thief tanky enough to res under pressure, you become dead weight to the group as a thief. Other classes take on this role more naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Running apothecary/shaman stats, shades normally doesn't give me much problems while in stealth and/or runnung instant reflexes while maintaining decent amount of condition damage via deadly arts traitline. The random cc is the main thing that gets me in those situations so I have to stay ready to stunbreak quickly as possible. Though I'd admit the necromancer's transfusion Is more efficient and safer option in large-scale combat than rushing into aoe for a suicidal mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 > @"cyberzombie.7348" said: > Running apothecary/shaman stats, shades normally doesn't give me much problems while in stealth and/or runnung instant reflexes while maintaining decent amount of condition damage via deadly arts traitline. The random cc is the main thing that gets me in those situations so I have to stay ready to stunbreak quickly as possible. Though I'd admit the necromancer's transfusion Is more efficient and safer option in large-scale combat than rushing into aoe for a suicidal mission. The basic problem is still that a condi thief is totally ineffective in WvW. There is a reason maybe like 1 out of 100 thieves run it, the rest run meta d/p. So I consider it a waste of condi/healing gear to begin with on the thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 the best way to ress a downed ally is to kill the enemy faster than they kill you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 nomad mercy tempest. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 > @"Dawdler.8521" said: > > @"cyberzombie.7348" said: > > For reviving I'd say sa thief with mercy runes is the best choice imo. You have stealth and mobility along with merciful ambush so you can res allies without being an open target and prevent them from being stomped. > > Doesnt really help when the downed is in a sea of red necro marks and shades, does it? Even if we only consider smallscale the problem is also that if you build the thief tanky enough to res under pressure, you become dead weight to the group as a thief. Other classes take on this role more naturally. I used to be mostly Marauders with SA thief, the condition clear and damage reduction was usually enough to dive in and get someone up, and you can even take Shadow Refuge to make it a sure thing. I did feel like having more stopping power for other thieves but mostly with Rending Shade I could still lurk around flipping their support into downs. Especially chaining Infiltrators Strike and Shadow step, you can revive a long distance relationship with that one tag, you know the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunjiKugashira.9754 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I would likely go for elementalist. [Arcane Resurrection](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Resurrection "Arcane Resurrection") makes you cast [Geyser](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Geyser "Geyser") when rezzing a downed player, which rezzes every affected player by 7% per tick with 4 ticks for a total of 28%. If you play with staff, you can also cast this skill at range. Also you have [signet of Water](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Water "Signet of Water") and [Glyph of Renewal](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Renewal "Glyph of Renewal") to rezz downed players. Necromancer is also a very strong reviver with [Transfusion](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transfusion "Transfusion") to teleport downed allies to your position and bulk-rezz them with [Life from Death](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Life_from_Death "Life from Death") and a combination of [Ritual of Life](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ritual_of_Life "Ritual of Life"), [Well of Blood](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_Blood "Well of Blood") and [Lesser Well of Blood](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lesser_Well_of_Blood "Lesser Well of Blood"). Also Necro can use [signet of Undeath](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Undeath "Signet of Undeath") to rezz downed players. Elementalist has better range and a stronger heal outside of rezzing while Necro is better at bulk-rezzing a bunch of allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meestercat.2748 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 You could check out the Boots Bad Build “Rezmer” on YouTube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Scrapper is good at reviving too because of the function gyro. Although if you're being pummeled with AOE and CC then it might be best to go with a search and rescue druid or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vova.2640 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > I would likely go for elementalist. [Arcane Resurrection](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Resurrection "Arcane Resurrection") makes you cast [Geyser](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Geyser "Geyser") when rezzing a downed player, which rezzes every affected player by 7% per tick with 4 ticks for a total of 28%. If you play with staff, you can also cast this skill at range. Also you have [signet of Water](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Water "Signet of Water") and [Glyph of Renewal](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Renewal "Glyph of Renewal") to rezz downed players. > Actually I believe geyser is 5 ticks. First on cast and then 4 more every second. Also you can res while mist formed which makes u invulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intox.6347 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 > @"Vova.2640" said: > > @"BunjiKugashira.9754" said: > > I would likely go for elementalist. [Arcane Resurrection](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Resurrection "Arcane Resurrection") makes you cast [Geyser](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Geyser "Geyser") when rezzing a downed player, which rezzes every affected player by 7% per tick with 4 ticks for a total of 28%. If you play with staff, you can also cast this skill at range. Also you have [signet of Water](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Water "Signet of Water") and [Glyph of Renewal](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Renewal "Glyph of Renewal") to rezz downed players. > > > > Actually I believe geyser is 5 ticks. First on cast and then 4 more every second. > Also you can res while mist formed which makes u invulnerable. > > I am sometimes running minstrel auramancer tempest.... not that bad easy healer .... not that good as firebrand... but still can do a lot .... tried mercy runes variant.... and had problem with it .... coz core ele is not that good heal / supp as tempest .... auras+aura heal.. + overloard helps a lot. and if run ressing tempest... i need to pick one out .... arcane u need coz of ress ... so water / earth ,.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vova.2640 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 > @"intox.6347" said: > I am sometimes running minstrel auramancer tempest.... not that bad easy healer .... not that good as firebrand... but still can do a lot .... > tried mercy runes variant.... and had problem with it .... coz core ele is not that good heal / supp as tempest .... auras+aura heal.. + overloard helps a lot. > and if run ressing tempest... i need to pick one out .... arcane u need coz of ress ... so water / earth ,.... > If I ever run heal tempest in wvw it's almost always water(1-2-1) arcane(3-1-1) tempest(1-2-3). Too much condi spam in wvw so there is absolutely no justification to taking Powerful Aura trait. And without Powerful Aura, Unstable Conduit is useless too. And the reason I don't take earth is because it doesn't give anything meaningful. Elemental Shielding?-It's nice yes, but guards+rev+boonshare mes already give enough protection. (Make this trait give like 3s of stab, it would be actually viable) Stone Heart? -You're full minstrel you're already tanky enough. I do wish they would buff Powerful Aura to make viable. Like make it extend duration of Auras... OR While under the effect of your auras, boons you receive last longer/have stronger effects. This would synergize AMAZINGLY with the "get boon on aura" traits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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