Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Henry.5713" said: > Now I am curious - which kind of names would you consider offensive? There are ways to bypass sexual, racist, and similar verbiage when creating names. Also, some players think they're cute when they spell certain words backward. Things like that. For example, there was another thread where a guild named or advertised themselves something along the lines of, "If she's unconscious, then she can't say no," or words to that effect. Completely unacceptable nonsense like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > @"Warlord.9082" said: > > I find it worrisome that people seem to think that what they find offensive somehow means that other people can't say or use that... > > The TOS exists for a reason. You mean UA. It's intentionally vague to give them opportunity to ban players for anything, so it's not really an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 @Kheldorn.5123 Then apply common sense. If one cannot say certain things in a public setting, without retaliation, then it may be best not to name your pet, guild or character such things. It's unfortunate a game needs rules to state such practices, but someone out there will undoubtedly argue they weren't warned against it when they are banned or suspended. Kind of like in another thread. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > @Kheldorn.5123 Then apply common sense. Common sense, just like opinions, is relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauderi.8706 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > > @"Warlord.9082" said: > > > I find it worrisome that people seem to think that what they find offensive somehow means that other people can't say or use that... > > > > The TOS exists for a reason. > > You mean UA. It's intentionally vague to give them opportunity to ban players for anything, so it's not really an argument. Of course it's not an argument. It's a fact. Behaving against the terms of service just because "muh freedom" can provoke sanctions on an account. It doesn't come more common sense than that. Disagreeing with rules does not make them invalid until they are changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 @"Kheldorn.5123" The complete saying is, "Common sense is relative to the place where it is practiced." In other words, as I said prior, if a person doesn't want the public or authorities to retaliate, one keeps that nonsense to themselves. Besides, and this is purely my opinion, but if those persons lack the common sense to know better, then I'd rather they not be playing this game nor posting on these forums. Relative or not, ignorance doesn't give anyone a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > @"Kheldorn.5123" The complete saying is, "Common sense is relative to the place where it is practiced." In other words, as I said prior, if a person doesn't want the public or authorities to retaliate, one keeps that nonsense to themselves. > > Besides, and this is purely my opinion, but if those persons lack the common sense to know better, then I'd rather they not be playing this game nor posting on these forums. > > Relative or not, ignorance doesn't give anyone a pass. When understanding UA it's not a problem of ignorance. As I mentioned before, it's intentionally worded that way you can call almost anything an offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > > > @"Warlord.9082" said: > > > > I find it worrisome that people seem to think that what they find offensive somehow means that other people can't say or use that... > > > > > > The TOS exists for a reason. > > > > You mean UA. It's intentionally vague to give them opportunity to ban players for anything, so it's not really an argument. > > Of course it's not an argument. It's a fact. > Behaving against the terms of service just because "muh freedom" can provoke sanctions on an account. It doesn't come more common sense than that. > Disagreeing with rules does not make them invalid until they are changed. I never said anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Carnius Magius.8091" said: > I was beginning to wonder if pet names were visible or not to other players. Nobody ever commented on my pet names. Apparently, most everyone in this game doesn't pay attention to pet names. My tiger's name is Aurenes Lunch. I named my pink moa "Kevin" and have gotten quite a few chuckles from other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippyCheeze.5483 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"kharmin.7683" said: > > @"Carnius Magius.8091" said: > > I was beginning to wonder if pet names were visible or not to other players. Nobody ever commented on my pet names. Apparently, most everyone in this game doesn't pay attention to pet names. My tiger's name is Aurenes Lunch. > > I named my pink moa "Kevin" and have gotten quite a few chuckles from other players. Yeah, I saw a cool underwater put just earlier today, and I hope the ranger heard my compliment. :). @"Carnius Magius.8091", I'm afraid that is vaguely cute, but that is about all ... not enough to entertain me enough to comment. Could be that you just make people smile a bit, and move on, until you get that one hit wonder name. ;) At least you took the time to name them. After ANet fixed the issue so names persisted, it is so ... something ... to see people running around with Juvenile Cute Puppy or whatever pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnius Magius.8091 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Laila Lightness.8742" said: > My jacandas name is root Root is the same as the verb "F word" in Australia. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Eesh, i love the people who go on the offensive when it comes to this kinda stuff. And who knows, maybe the name was actually offensive, since its opinionated afterall on one side. On the other though, is it really so hard to come with a name thats not vulgar in some way, or a "swear word"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf.8670 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 > @"Warlord.9082" said: > I find it worrisome that people seem to think that what they find offensive somehow means that other people can't say or use that... You have no idea what the OP is referring to, though. There is a reason the ToS has name rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedkae.4980 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 If you are offended by a name in a video game, you may need to rethink your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 @"wickedkae.4980" If you feel the need to create a name to offend people in a video game, you may also need to rethink your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"wickedkae.4980" said: > If you are offended by a name in a video game, you may need to rethink your life. There is a difference between being offended by a name and names that break the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Some of the stuff people mentioned wouldn't even get a tiny chuckle or an eye roll out of me. Everyone has a different definition of what's inappropriate, I suppose. ArenaNet has a track record of enforcing silly name changes, though I do agree with some of them. Either way, it is up to them to take measures in the end. Take a screenshot and report them through a ticket, just like you do with any issue which does not strictly fit any of the preset categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlinvf.1358 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > @"Kheldorn.5123" said: > > > @"Rauderi.8706" said: > > > > @"Warlord.9082" said: > > > > I find it worrisome that people seem to think that what they find offensive somehow means that other people can't say or use that... > > > > > > The TOS exists for a reason. > > > > You mean UA. It's intentionally vague to give them opportunity to ban players for anything, so it's not really an argument. > > Of course it's not an argument. It's a fact. > Behaving against the terms of service just because "muh freedom" can provoke sanctions on an account. It doesn't come more common sense than that. > Disagreeing with rules does not make them invalid until they are changed. It depends on whats involved, and the hierarchy of rules in effect. For all the weight people describe the TOS, UA and CoC to have, in a lot of cases they're not really enforceable due to higher level laws in effect. The more litigious the region the user is from, the more avenues they could pursue if they really wanted to. Especially with the amount of money that gets put into these accounts, and the incredibly arbitrary nature of game moderation. Once you start asking the question of "where do you draw the line for something", it rapidly goes evolves into a cluster of conflicting interests, poorly defined boundaries, and ultimate jurisdiction. Forums tend to get away with a lot of bans, because they're arn't the primary service that a player is paying for. But when a $10,000 account gets banned because of a language snafu, it has the potential to become criminal theft..... and the courts, in most of the world, are ill-equipped to interpret the situation due to lack of technical and cultural understanding inherent to online focused communities. I've seen people get in trouble because their friends thought it would be funny to teach that person a few words, but not be honest about the meaning. Then an incident happens, but whose at fault? Common sense is only common within the same subgroup. Because to anyone else an idea could be foreign or offensive, and the only reason it gets brought up is when someone with a lower tolerance becomes vocal. Doesn't matter if its really right or wrong, only that "someone" was offended. That neither excuses nor supports what happened; but be wary of the Rabbit hole that is complacency, in its many forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 The test to me is simple: if you have to ask the question whether a name is inappropriate, then yes, it probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppet.4620 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 my pet name is called peterfile, my other one is called pokgai, can i has a cookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauderi.8706 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"starlinvf.1358" said: > It depends on whats involved, and the hierarchy of rules in effect. For all the weight people describe the TOS, UA and CoC to have, in a lot of cases they're not really enforceable due to higher level laws in effect. The more litigious the region the user is from, the more avenues they could pursue if they really wanted to. Especially with the amount of money that gets put into these accounts, and the incredibly arbitrary nature of game moderation. Once you start asking the question of "where do you draw the line for something", it rapidly goes evolves into a cluster of conflicting interests, poorly defined boundaries, and ultimate jurisdiction. > > Forums tend to get away with a lot of bans, because they're arn't the primary service that a player is paying for. But when a $10,000 account gets banned because of a language snafu, it has the potential to become criminal theft..... and the courts, in most of the world, are ill-equipped to interpret the situation due to lack of technical and cultural understanding inherent to online focused communities. I've seen people get in trouble because their friends thought it would be funny to teach that person a few words, but not be honest about the meaning. Then an incident happens, but whose at fault? > > Common sense is only common within the same subgroup. Because to anyone else an idea could be foreign or offensive, and the only reason it gets brought up is when someone with a lower tolerance becomes vocal. Doesn't matter if its really right or wrong, only that "someone" was offended. That neither excuses nor supports what happened; but be wary of the Rabbit hole that is complacency, in its many forms. Very sensible. :+1: And of course it would be bad moderation to go straight for the throat for a minor, especially first-time, name offense. And if language differences are involved, it ought to be a point of moderation to explain why a given name/phrase is offense and to coach the player via in-game tells or support email. But when there are repeated, seemingly-obvious attempts to defy the rules, of course sanctions should come into play. Again, the naming thing is relatively minor, so a few forced name changes or 1-3 day suspensions ought to be a swat enough. If someone's going through *that* much effort to be a pain in the tuckus to deserve a ban, then, well, it was deserved and not without warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktiger.2435 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I put "Team Trump" on all my pets. I've had x3 people go into psycho rants at me because of it. and received in game mail death threats.... I intend to keep it that way as a litmus test identifying all the people I **do not want** anything to do with. So far its working very well. #instablocked Just pointing out= There maybe method to their trolling madness.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 @"DanAlcedo.3281" Ahem. Given recent admissions, I decided to test the 'Report Name' as well. Come to find out, you cannot name your guild, your character, nor your pet something along these lines listed below even if there's methodology to one's baiting and trolling of the community. We do not permit names that: Have offensive racial, ethnic, national, or cultural connotations Include hate speech or bigoted slurs Reference sexual acts or real-life violence Are pornographic Make inappropriate references to human anatomy or bodily functions Reference illegal drugs or activities Reference religious or historical figures **Reference real-life people** **Reference names of copyrighted or trademarked characters, materials, or products** Source: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-naming-policy/ Hope this answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerwoni.9563 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Neural.1824" said: > Arenanet has stated in the past that the method of dealing with this is to use the report function and list it as "Inappropriate Character Name". They supposedly check the pet names, guild names, etc. through this, but no idea if they actually do that. they do, a guild member had a really terrible name for his cat and they removed it, plus sent him a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batel.9206 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 > @"Ardenwolfe.8590" said: > We do not permit names that: > [...] > **Reference real-life people** > **Reference names of copyrighted or trademarked characters, materials, or products** ...darn, so I can't name my river drake Nathan or Sir Francis. In light of that, I should probably rename my forest spider...it's currently named Shelob Jr. Thanks for posting that, Ardenwolfe. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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