Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 not sure if it's just me, but I love the Delusion skin ( reminiscent of the Jewelled staff from GW1, but gold) and I find it such a shame that it's one weapon skin as a random exotic drop, and ONLY a random exotic drop. - Also since Idk where to put this I'll have a discussion - What do people think of it and should GW2 add a way to get the skin without being lucky randomly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyan.1593 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I dont find anything special about that skin, but I understand how you feel. Exotic weapons dont need to be account bound imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daidalos.2905 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Agree about exotics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hevoskuuri.3891 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I was SUPER lucky to get this one from a monthly log-in reward exotic box. I wholeheartedly agree there shouldn't be skins that are pure low-chance RNG only. Exclusive event items are alright, especially as we get most of them available annually (festival items) or later on from special vendors (LS1 stuff). Anything but RNG though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenleto.6179 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 It’s a bit of an aberration I think for it to be account bound. I’ve had one in my vault for years now. I’d prefer to sell it than salvage it so it stays there under a ton of dust in case anything changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Yeah that is really odd! It should def be simply Soulbind in Use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oglaf.1074 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Strong_Jeweled_Trident If you’re just after the skin unlock. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1763 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Oglaf.1074" said: > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Strong_Jeweled_Trident > > If you’re just after the skin unlock. :wink: issue is thats only for the underwater version. If you want to use it on land you need the staff called delusion! D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oglaf.1074 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Dante.1763" said: > > @"Oglaf.1074" said: > > https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Strong_Jeweled_Trident > > > > If you’re just after the skin unlock. :wink: > > issue is thats only for the underwater version. If you want to use it on land you need the staff called delusion! D: Oooo... Well. Poop. :anguished: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danikat.8537 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Yeah that is annoying, and really random. I guess it's because it used to drop with Magic Find as one of the stats, back when that was an equipment stat instead of an account bound one, and now it lets you choose the stats. All items with selectable stats are account bound. But it's really annoying that the only way to get the skin is by an account bound random drop. I think there's 2 possible fixes: 1) Give it one set of stats and make it tradable. 2) Add another item with an identical skin and non-selectable stats. Either one would solve the OPs problem while preserving the current situation where stat-selectable items are account bound on acquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Please Arenanet, Change it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Danikat.8537" said: > Yeah that is annoying, and really random. > > I guess it's because it used to drop with Magic Find as one of the stats, back when that was an equipment stat instead of an account bound one, and now it lets you choose the stats. All items with selectable stats are account bound. But it's really annoying that the only way to get the skin is by an account bound random drop. > > I think there's 2 possible fixes: > 1) Give it one set of stats and make it tradable. > 2) Add another item with an identical skin and non-selectable stats. > > Either one would solve the OPs problem while preserving the current situation where stat-selectable items are account bound on acquire. Problem is, it was rare as is when it did have magic find, and I was so poor prior to the change I couldn't buy one from TP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 tl;dr _Delusion_ was bugged 5 years ago when its Magic Find stat was removed. While still RNG, it will cost most people "only" 50-100 gold to get it unlocked. _Delusion_ being account bound is the result of a bug, not intended game design. In fact, it used to be available on the TP. It was one of the pieces of gear that had Magic Find in its prefix. When ANet removed MF as part of gear stats, they updated all items in some way. I believe for blues & greens, the prefix was changed. For rares and exotics, mostly we were able to choose stats from a subset of the tiny number of prefixes available back then. And in one case, whoever updated the item also made it account-bound-on-acquire. Oops :( For reasons that have never been explained (but we can guess), ANet never changed it. For what it's worth, I have data from Nugkill (a well-known publisher of data on industrial forging of rares to produce precursors). _Delusion_ dropped 2.8% of the time, when forging four staffs with an average level of 75+. If you forge 100 times, you have roughly a 94% chance of getting _Delusion_. If you instantly buy, it will cost roughly 1g per try, so at worst, the skin might cost 100 gold, which is less than a lot of otherwise-hard-to-obtain skins. (And you can save 50% or more by not instantly buying the staffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokh.2695 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I think the skin is more of an exception thatn the rule. Most named exotics can be bought/sold. Tbh, I don't know why delusion ist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"lokh.2695" said: > I think the skin is more of an exception thatn the rule. Most named exotics can be bought/sold. Tbh, I don't know why delusion ist. Of course it's the exception, it's the ONLY ONE that used to be MF that hasn't changed to dire, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > tl;dr _Delusion_ was bugged 5 years ago when its Magic Find stat was removed. While still RNG, it will cost most people "only" 50-100 gold to get it unlocked. > > _Delusion_ being account bound is the result of a bug, not intended game design. In fact, it used to be available on the TP. It was one of the pieces of gear that had Magic Find in its prefix. When ANet removed MF as part of gear stats, they updated all items in some way. I believe for blues & greens, the prefix was changed. For rares and exotics, mostly we were able to choose stats from a subset of the tiny number of prefixes available back then. > > And in one case, whoever updated the item also made it account-bound-on-acquire. Oops :( > For reasons that have never been explained (but we can guess), ANet never changed it. > > For what it's worth, I have data from Nugkill (a well-known publisher of data on industrial forging of rares to produce precursors). _Delusion_ dropped 2.8% of the time, when forging four staffs with an average level of 75+. > > If you forge 100 times, you have roughly a 94% chance of getting _Delusion_. > If you instantly buy, it will cost roughly 1g per try, so at worst, the skin might cost 100 gold, which is less than a lot of otherwise-hard-to-obtain skins. (And you can save 50% or more by not instantly buying the staffs). > > I'll be frank - My luck is probably one of the worst when it comes to RNG, over 11k hours no precursor, 105 black lion keys no scarab beetle, the jewelled trident karma vendor is bugged so I can't even get that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Kuulpb.5412" said: > I'll be frank - My luck is probably one of the worst when it comes to RNG, > over 11k hours no precursor, While that's sad, it says nothing about your RNG. What matters is how many foes you killed. And, if you're like a lot of people, a lot of your time in-game is spent chatting and forging and so on, and none of that counts. > 105 black lion keys no scarab beetle, Also sad, but not that unusual, unfortunately > the jewelled trident karma vendor is bugged so I can't even get that, I just went there now, not bugged. FYI [Vepar](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vepar_Darkheart) isn't the heart vendor, he's a tad to the east of the heart. I don't want to say that your luck is good (since it's not), but it's not as bad as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I've gotten this at least 5 times since they made it account bound. Twice from the login reward which is account bound regardless. > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > tl;dr _Delusion_ was bugged 5 years ago when its Magic Find stat was removed. While still RNG, it will cost most people "only" 50-100 gold to get it unlocked. > > _Delusion_ being account bound is the result of a bug, not intended game design. In fact, it used to be available on the TP. It was one of the pieces of gear that had Magic Find in its prefix. When ANet removed MF as part of gear stats, they updated all items in some way. I believe for blues & greens, the prefix was changed. For rares and exotics, mostly we were able to choose stats from a subset of the tiny number of prefixes available back then. > > And in one case, whoever updated the item also made it account-bound-on-acquire. Oops :( > For reasons that have never been explained (but we can guess), ANet never changed it. > because someone forgot to update the drops tables IIRC waaaay back a non-account bound version without stat selection was data mined which means the item was made and stuff but nobody updated the tables to use the new ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > I've gotten this at least 5 times since they made it account bound. Twice from the login reward which is account bound regardless. > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > tl;dr _Delusion_ was bugged 5 years ago when its Magic Find stat was removed. While still RNG, it will cost most people "only" 50-100 gold to get it unlocked. > > > > _Delusion_ being account bound is the result of a bug, not intended game design. In fact, it used to be available on the TP. It was one of the pieces of gear that had Magic Find in its prefix. When ANet removed MF as part of gear stats, they updated all items in some way. I believe for blues & greens, the prefix was changed. For rares and exotics, mostly we were able to choose stats from a subset of the tiny number of prefixes available back then. > > > > And in one case, whoever updated the item also made it account-bound-on-acquire. Oops :( > > For reasons that have never been explained (but we can guess), ANet never changed it. > > > > because someone forgot to update the drops tables > > IIRC waaaay back a non-account bound version without stat selection was data mined which means the item was made and stuff but nobody updated the tables to use the new ID. I vaguely remember that too. It's no longer in the API, if it ever was. Even so, I still wish they would have just ~~unbinded (unbound?) ~~ fixed the binding in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khisanth.2948 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > > I've gotten this at least 5 times since they made it account bound. Twice from the login reward which is account bound regardless. > > > > > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > > tl;dr _Delusion_ was bugged 5 years ago when its Magic Find stat was removed. While still RNG, it will cost most people "only" 50-100 gold to get it unlocked. > > > > > > _Delusion_ being account bound is the result of a bug, not intended game design. In fact, it used to be available on the TP. It was one of the pieces of gear that had Magic Find in its prefix. When ANet removed MF as part of gear stats, they updated all items in some way. I believe for blues & greens, the prefix was changed. For rares and exotics, mostly we were able to choose stats from a subset of the tiny number of prefixes available back then. > > > > > > And in one case, whoever updated the item also made it account-bound-on-acquire. Oops :( > > > For reasons that have never been explained (but we can guess), ANet never changed it. > > > > > > > because someone forgot to update the drops tables > > > > IIRC waaaay back a non-account bound version without stat selection was data mined which means the item was made and stuff but nobody updated the tables to use the new ID. > > I vaguely remember that too. It's no longer in the API, if it ever was. > Even so, I still wish they would have just ~~unbinded (unbound?) ~~ fixed the binding in the first place. On the other hand there are now two Delusions in the API that are both account bound with selectable stats. One is unlinkable in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 > @"Khisanth.2948" said: > On the other hand there are now two Delusions in the API that are both account bound with selectable stats. One is unlinkable in game. * [item 47095](https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items?ids=47095&lang=en) i believe that this is the current one, that replaced the original MF item * [item 27488](https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items?ids=27488&lang=en) i'm pretty sure this was the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 So I thought this item was junk in my bank, but turns out I was lucky to get it? Sadly it's sitting in my Necromancer's bag, transmuted as a Pirate Crook (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pirate_Crook) probably never to be used ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuulpb.5412 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 > @"Illconceived Was Na.9781" said: > > @"Kuulpb.5412" said: > > I'll be frank - My luck is probably one of the worst when it comes to RNG, > > > over 11k hours no precursor, > While that's sad, it says nothing about your RNG. What matters is how many foes you killed. And, if you're like a lot of people, a lot of your time in-game is spent chatting and forging and so on, and none of that counts. > > > 105 black lion keys no scarab beetle, > Also sad, but not that unusual, unfortunately > > > the jewelled trident karma vendor is bugged so I can't even get that, > I just went there now, not bugged. FYI [Vepar](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vepar_Darkheart) isn't the heart vendor, he's a tad to the east of the heart. > > I don't want to say that your luck is good (since it's not), but it's not as bad as you think. I was there for over 2 hours and he didn't sell me anything, ( I know he isn't the heart vendor), the dynamic event never occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Yeah, I just salvaged mine as well, but it should be tradeable. I thought it was weird that it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenom.9457 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 You can probably get it off TP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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