Voltekka.2375 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @"mulzi.8273" said: > > > > > > EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc). > > > > > > > > > > The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well. > > > > > > > > > > So, what else did EoTM lose? > > > > > > > > Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed. > > > > > > If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it. > > > > This. Exactly this. The map is still there. > > ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months. > > Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it > > > > Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsith.2753 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"crepuscular.9047" said > > how's this? We (SoS) pretty much white washed all 4 maps on Week 49 of 2018, all SoR had was pretty much a camp or a tower at a times > some people switched world with their secondary accounts to cap towers and keeps so we can get our dailies done Thankyou for proving with these two sentences that fully spawn camping every single map is impossible. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsith.2753 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"crepuscular.9047" said: > > Duellers are bigger offenders, they just trade kills to keep their participation up, since a player kill grants 10 minutes of deterioration free period. > > would not be surprised if they can even automate this process of running from spawn point back to dueling spot Duellers do not stomp each other. Their participation comes from idiot's that try to add in after being asked not to. I'd point a finger at those who, deliberately for participation or because of ignorance, spend all day repairing trebbed walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 People used eotm to level characters, I used it for a couple characters, they removed gaining regular exp but you get a ton of tomes of knowledge and you get birthday boosters that can boost new characters to 20 30 40 etc, so that argument is void. They also used it to get quicker wxp for levels, it was quicker because it was usually a ktrain constantly making the rounds around the map. People got thousands of "free" levels which is harder to come by in the actual wvw maps because more defending actually happens so ktrains don't usually last. There use to be full ktrains on fridays by all 3 sides when a match was pretty much done and waiting on reset by servers, but over time that got broken up and died off. People currently don't run eotm because of the pip rewards which you can only earn contribution for on the wvw maps, which just goes to show how much people followed the trail of rewards instead of actually wanting to play in eotm. I don't think it's too much to ask for people to play actual wvw to earn wvw only rewards, it's no different than having to run fractals, spvp, and raids for their exclusive rewards including skins and back pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > @"mulzi.8273" said: > > > > > > > EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what else did EoTM lose? > > > > > > > > > > Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed. > > > > > > > > If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it. > > > > > > This. Exactly this. The map is still there. > > > > ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months. > > > > Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it > > > > > > > > > > Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead? Nobody is asking for wvw rewards as the map was populated 80% by uplevers, that honestly never used the wvw stuff because they went there I found out it was not as fun as eotm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > > > @"Voltekka.2375" said: > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > @"Khalisto.5780" said: > > > > > > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > > > > > > @"mulzi.8273" said: > > > > > > > > EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what else did EoTM lose? > > > > > > > > > > > > Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed. > > > > > > > > > > If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it. > > > > > > > > This. Exactly this. The map is still there. > > > > > > ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months. > > > > > > Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead? > > Nobody is asking for wvw rewards as the map was populated 80% by uplevers, that honestly never used the wvw stuff because they went there I found out it was not as fun as eotm. So... Turn a wvw lobby map into a pve map for... What exactly? Doesnt pve already have plenty of grind maps of its own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xZombieTaco.5809 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > @"Lord of Rings.5371" said: > And what exactly is stopping you from playing in EOTM? Hes talking about having to do the reward track for Gift of Battle probably. I personally don't see why I'm forced to do PvE content to get legendaries :expressionless: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno.1840 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 > @"Hyper Cutter.9376" said: > Reminds me of when "real" WvW players barked and whined to Anet about people "wasting" space on the borderlands by using the crafting stations, causing Anet to remove them entirely (and with them, a supply of new blood for the game mode from people who came to use them on the advice of other players and decided to stay). ANet removed crafting stations because they want to sell those special access passes (example: Royal Terrace). There's no reason to buy one of those when you could just press "B" and pop into your home BL to access crafting, bank, TP, etc. It had nothing to do with players complaining about crafters in WvW. Seriously, I played back then and almost never saw players at the crafting stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 > @"xZombieTaco.5809" said: > > @"Strider Pj.2193" said: > > > @"Lord of Rings.5371" said: > > > And what exactly is stopping you from playing in EOTM? > > Hes talking about having to do the reward track for Gift of Battle probably. > I personally don't see why I'm forced to do PvE content to get legendaries :expressionless: He might be, but he never answered. And if that were truly the case? He can get it through EoTM if he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyra.4709 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If people really thought eotm ktrain sandpit land was that fun why don't guilds still exist like the ones that rigged most matches? reward track, wxp/karma etc is still there for any pve player that really wants it. Literally free real estate. Don't even need to worry about the big bad wolf come knocking on your door. If people innit for WvW shinies then join the zerg in WvW since according to forum-goers zerging in WvW is pretty much ktrain easy mode brainless anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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